2017 trade/draft thread

[Godfather32]

Cant trade Lycett who knows what Nic will be like with his knee.... he could be Emac'd

Which knee did Nic Nat do and which leg does he jump off?

 

[Biggie]

Which knee did Nic Nat do and which leg does he jump off?

Is it his left and is it his left?

No help at all haha

 

[Godfather32]

Is it his left and is it his left?

No help at all haha

Nah, no idea. I'm genuinely interested though, it might be a big factor in how much his jumping ability will be affected.

 

[Falco]

We've got waterman and Allen coming through and I'm guessing our first rounder this year will be a kpf but yes I agree trading darling would be a ballsy move.
Vardy too once nic Nat and lycett are back
Interested to see if watson can be a good forward too

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Yeah, but both Waterman and Allen haven't done anything yet. I know thats harsh, but you would expect that if Allen hasn't started playing WAFL League regularly by the end of the year he may be a bust. But then again we've held onto McInness even though he definitely isn't going to make it.
Watson could be anything, I would love to see him debut in the second half of the year.

 

[Godfather32]

Is it his left and is it his left?

No help at all haha

And just watched the video again, it's his left and he jumps off his left

 

[WCEswift]

Which knee did Nic Nat do and which leg does he jump off?

Def left and left. always jump with opposite foot to rucking hand

 

[Biggie]

And just watched the video again, it's his left and he jumps off his left

Well that's me done

 

[WCEswift]

Well that's me done

They did just show him goofing off today at subi with no brace or strapping. on 7

 

[Biggie]

They did just show him goofing off today at subi with no brace or strapping. on 7

 

[Godfather32]

They did just show him goofing off today at subi with no brace or strapping. on 7

Won't be convinced until he is dunking at a wildcats game

 

[Jootube]

Matera is 25 and has never been a consistent footballer. He's not the answer

We have an aging list and need to be focusing on building through the draft. I like what we did last year by keeping our draft picks and used little currency to bring in experienced players to fill specific roles

I'd be happy with a repeat of that with the addition of a more rigorous exploration of adding draft picks or improving draft position by trading out one or two players

You're probably right. I think unless we make a grand final, we should be hitting the draft - not trading picks for ready-made players.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Yeah, but both Waterman and Allen haven't done anything yet. I know thats harsh, but you would expect that if Allen hasn't started playing WAFL League regularly by the end of the year he may be a bust. But then again we've held onto McInness even though he definitely isn't going to make it.
Watson could be anything, I would love to see him debut in the second half of the year.

Allen i don't rate particularly highly. Like McInnes he's not athletic enough, nor is he tall enough for the modern game at the highest level.

Waterman is shorter, but at least he's got the forward game to play a supporting role, he chases, tackles and does all the essential team things.

 

[langdon19]

I'd be happy with a repeat of that with the addition of a more rigorous exploration of adding draft picks or improving draft position by trading out one or two players

What would we get for Nic. No WC player has come back well after a reco imo. Jako, Mainy, Woosh and Gardner were great player's that never got back, lecca is the only one who has returned ok. So a giant that has no natural instinct for the game will struggle so what could we get, does he have any currency?

 

[kane249]

What would we get for Nic. No WC player has come back well after a reco imo. Jako, Mainy, Woosh and Gardner were great player's that never got back, lecca is the only one who has returned ok. So a giant that has no natural instinct for the game will struggle so what could we get, does he have any currency?

No West Coast player has returned from a knee injury well, but it doesn't mean it's not possible.

Shaun Rehn and Paul Salmon are two rucks who came back from knee injuries to be AA after.

Or if you prefer something a bit more recent, last years AA ruck has had 2 knee reconstructions and came back fine.

 

[langdon19]

What would we get for him?
Yes some return but I'm not holding my breath here.
Player loyalty from the club might come into it but if I could have traded Gardner/Brown/Jako for a first round pick I would seriously consider it rather than the one year wait, then another to trust the knee. Eric is another example.

 

[kane249]

It's poor form to abandon a best 22 player like that though and not give them a chance to redeem themselves.

Hindsight is of course a lovely thing to have also.

Again to use an above example, if Melbourne had got rid of Gawn after either of his 2 knee injuries they would have lost one of the best rucks going around today and looked like fools for not sticking with him.

 

[langdon19]

It's poor form to abandon a best 22 player like that though and not give them a chance to redeem themselves.

Hindsight is of course a lovely thing to have also.

Again to use an above example, if Melbourne had got rid of Gawn after either of his 2 knee injuries they would have lost one of the best rucks going around today and looked like fools for not sticking with him.

Agreed poor form, player loyalty might come into it.

 

[Falco]

Allen i don't rate particularly highly. Like McInnes he's not athletic enough, nor is he tall enough for the modern game at the highest level.

Waterman is shorter, but at least he's got the forward game to play a supporting role, he chases, tackles and does all the essential team things.

I was excited about him last year, I thought he'd flourish as a strong leading forward at EP but injuries haven't given him much opportunity this year. I hope that changes.
McInness is surely gone at the end of this year and I agree about his limitations, the Waterman boys havent been lucky with injuries. Have you heard anything about whether or not Alec Waterman is training with Claremont at all?

 

[matt_bas]

Whats Duggan's contract status?

Hands off

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

According to Tom Adkinson on twitter, Matera was shopped to us last trade period but the price was too high.

Personally I kind of suspected we didn't want him at all.

Also, on SEN, the Dogs are planning to make GAJ an offer greater than the 400k Geelong are set to offer.

 

[FatPizza]

Ha, on the Eagles website they have Josh Kennedy's 6PR interview from yesterday and one of the radio guys says Mitch McGovern instead of Jeremy. After correcting them JK says 'he's not over here yet'. Probably a case of looking into it too much but I wonder if Jeremy's been spilling some unannounced beans around the club?

 

[Falco]

Delist:
Karpany - a waste of a second round pick. Should be playing better in the WAFL than he is and is into his 4th year on the list. Bust.
Brophy - will arguably never be good enough for AFL but a good WAFL player.
Gorter - a HBF who probably shouldnt have been picked in the first place.
McInness - retained as insurance because of our ruck situation, played a good game against Perth, but is otherwise not good enough to command a sixth(!) year on the list. Another second round pick bust.
Tunbridge - injury prone and coming off an ACL, we need to cut our losses and let him go.

Undecided:
Lamb - have we developed him poorly? Is he a big bodied mid or a wing? One more year in the guts and see what he can do?
Jetta - chronic under performer. Have we been playing him in the wrong position or is he just a generally lazy footballer who we could do without?
Snadden - is beginning to play reasonably well at EP, worth another year?
Allen - deserves another year, but thats dependent on whether or not he's playing WAFL seniors regularly for the rest of the year and kicks more than his 2016 total of 10 goals.

Possible Trade Bait?:
It was Emac in 2016, but he's worth nothing now.

Retire:
Butler? - 32 next year but is very good at half back and is experiencing his longest fit period in his career.
Priddis? - elite contested but is slowing down and retaining him risks stunting the development of our younger mids. Arguably cannot play any other position which hinders our flexibility. Will also be 33 next year, although durability not a concern.
Mitchell? - gun, but will be 35. Say hello to our new midfield coach.
Petrie? - handy, but 36 next year. Coaching our reserves in 2018 I reckon.

Promote:
Watson - has shown potential to be a HBF with x-factor for us, could debut later this year.

There is a lot of potential for serious turnover this year. 5 delistees, 4 possible retirements and other players who could be moved on. Safe to say our second rounders are still a weakness for us when it comes to drafting. Thoughts?

After watching our performance vs the Hawks tonight I feel like we should face facts and realise that serious list turnover is a non-negotiable.

 

[Falco]

Delist:
Karpany - a waste of a second round pick. Should be playing better in the WAFL than he is and is into his 4th year on the list. Bust.
Brophy - will arguably never be good enough for AFL but a good WAFL player.
Gorter - a HBF who probably shouldnt have been picked in the first place.
McInness - retained as insurance because of our ruck situation, played a good game against Perth, but is otherwise not good enough to command a sixth(!) year on the list. Another second round pick bust.
Tunbridge - injury prone and coming off an ACL, we need to cut our losses and let him go.

Undecided:
Lamb - have we developed him poorly? Is he a big bodied mid or a wing? One more year in the guts and see what he can do?
Jetta - chronic under performer. Have we been playing him in the wrong position or is he just a generally lazy footballer who we could do without?
Snadden - is beginning to play reasonably well at EP, worth another year?
Allen - deserves another year, but thats dependent on whether or not he's playing WAFL seniors regularly for the rest of the year and kicks more than his 2016 total of 10 goals.

Possible Trade Bait?:
It was Emac in 2016, but he's worth nothing now.

Retire:
Butler? - 32 next year but is very good at half back and is experiencing his longest fit period in his career.
Priddis? - elite contested but is slowing down and retaining him risks stunting the development of our younger mids. Arguably cannot play any other position which hinders our flexibility. Will also be 33 next year, although durability not a concern.
Mitchell? - gun, but will be 35. Say hello to our new midfield coach.
Petrie? - handy, but 36 next year. Coaching our reserves in 2018 I reckon.

Promote:
Watson - has shown potential to be a HBF with x-factor for us, could debut later this year.

There is a lot of potential for serious turnover this year. 5 delistees, 4 possible retirements and other players who could be moved on. Safe to say our second rounders are still a weakness for us when it comes to drafting. Thoughts?

After watching our performance vs the Hawks tonight I feel like we should face facts and realise that serious list turnover is a non-negotiable.

If a rebuild is on the cards, who do we trade to kick start it? We will need draft picks for KPPs and mids, and theres no way we are going to be able to access the top talent with a pick 10-13, pick 30 and thats it. We need to consider who we can trade out that has currency and isnt going to be there for the next premiership and load up on the next couple of drafts.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

the thing is im afraid with our current recruiting staff well **** up our draft picks as well

 

[Falco]

I think we've been using the RD as a bit of a "recycling lucky dip". Instead of picking players that have not been drafted that may have potential and may need a couple of years of development, we pick up second hand players from other clubs and hope that we can plug holes in our list with them. I know this may work sometimes, but considering we picked up Priddis, Cox and Lynch all off the RD, it seems that we have stopped playing to our strength in unearthing great players via this method and someone is using the RD as a second chance saloon/bandaid for the list.

This needs to stop and we need to go back to picking up players with potential in the RD. Take a risk on a guy for a couple of years instead of picking someone who didnt make it at another club. He didnt make it for a reason; we couldnt De-Melbourne Cale Morton and Jamie Bennell - perhaps they didnt succeed because theyre not very good?