2017 trade/draft thread

[Biggie]

Fasolo happy at Collingwood from AFL.com

Good news

Fasolo wants to stay at Collingwood, despite keen interest from home town club West Coast.

Also LOL

The Dockers, who ranked last in the AFL for scoring last season, will likely make a bid for Menzel when the free agency period officially opens on Friday.

AH Chee News as well

Ah Chee linked with the Eagles

West Coast has renewed interest in Port Adelaide midfielder Brendon Ah Chee, according to The West Australian.

As reported by AFL.com.au on Monday, Ah Chee has informed the Power he will be looking for a new club during the trade period after managing just five senior games this season.

According to the newspaper, the 23-year-old is favoured to end up back home in his home state of WA.

However, his manager Anthony Van Der Wielen insists that's not necessarily the case, with Ah Chee open to playing at any of the three clubs that are interested in his services.

Ah Chee has also been linked with Gold Coast, where brother Callum plays.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Ah Chee can piss off if Port won't take our fourth.

I've heard Monocle's reasoning, but he's simply not worth that price. It's high time the club stood it's ground on this one, offered our 4th/5th and are prepared to walk away if Port wasn't interested. It really won't be the end of the world if Brendon Ah Chee isn't in our squad.

3rd rounder for a player who still hasn't cracked a starting midfield spot despite having 6 years on an AFL list. For a guy who averages 14 odd disposals a game in this time, is from WA and wait for it...... Doesn't even have a contract.

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, no ****ing way

 

[Eaglespur]

Ah Chee can piss off if Port won't take our fourth.

I've heard Monocle's reasoning, but he's simply not worth that price. It's high time the club stood it's ground on this one, offered our 4th/5th and are prepared to walk away if Port wasn't interested. It really won't be the end of the world if Brendon Ah Chee isn't in our squad.

3rd rounder for a player who still hasn't cracked a starting midfield spot despite having 6 years on an AFL list. For a guy who averages 14 odd disposals a game in this time, is from WA and wait for it...... Doesn't even have a contract.

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, no ******* way

But would he improve our midfield?

 

[Dark Sharks]

But would he improve our midfield?

I honestly believe he would.

 

[avishka5]

I'd rather hold our free pass to **** port over for a few more years. Would love to pull that when spp also realised how much of a dung heap adelaide is.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Ah Chee can piss off if Port won't take our fourth.

I've heard Monocle's reasoning, but he's simply not worth that price. It's high time the club stood it's ground on this one, offered our 4th/5th and are prepared to walk away if Port wasn't interested. It really won't be the end of the world if Brendon Ah Chee isn't in our squad.

3rd rounder for a player who still hasn't cracked a starting midfield spot despite having 6 years on an AFL list. For a guy who averages 14 odd disposals a game in this time, is from WA and wait for it...... Doesn't even have a contract.

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, no ******* way

For mine, he's well worth a 3rd but I want us to reem Port

 

[boondy]

Ah Chee can piss off if Port won't take our fourth.

I've heard Monocle's reasoning, but he's simply not worth that price. It's high time the club stood it's ground on this one, offered our 4th/5th and are prepared to walk away if Port wasn't interested. It really won't be the end of the world if Brendon Ah Chee isn't in our squad.

3rd rounder for a player who still hasn't cracked a starting midfield spot despite having 6 years on an AFL list. For a guy who averages 14 odd disposals a game in this time, is from WA and wait for it...... Doesn't even have a contract.

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, no ******* way

Fair call and if he went to the preseason or delisted player draft we would use our 6th round on him depending how many more we delist

 

[boondy]

Trade radio saying Gaff will fill a hole at Carlton. Nuh. Carlton would still be a hole.

 

[boondy]

Or maybe he just wants to stay in his kids' lives?

Jesus.

Yeah like he is setting a good example to those kids . Why do people use religious profanity ?

 

[Suma Magic]

If I was Gaff I'd want to play at the G. Playing for an Etihad club would suck.

 

[new breed]

How is Lever's comments its Demons or the draft !! Could easily end up at brisbane or NM

 

[avishka5]

Trade radio saying Gaff will fill a hole at Carlton. Nuh. Carlton would still be a hole.

Yeah but he is short and skinny. Must be a very short and shallow hole.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Really? Seems high for guy who has really struggled to find a spot in the team. I mean Pat McGinnity's career looks like diamonds compared to what his...

please stop. his only moment of glory was his four goals against a shit essendon squad. and was in the system for years.

was worsfolds love child. pretty sure he had something on woosh.

 

[Obeanie1]

Ah Chee can piss off if Port won't take our fourth.

I've heard Monocle's reasoning, but he's simply not worth that price. It's high time the club stood it's ground on this one, offered our 4th/5th and are prepared to walk away if Port wasn't interested. It really won't be the end of the world if Brendon Ah Chee isn't in our squad.

3rd rounder for a player who still hasn't cracked a starting midfield spot despite having 6 years on an AFL list. For a guy who averages 14 odd disposals a game in this time, is from WA and wait for it...... Doesn't even have a contract.

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, no ******* way

Especially when Port just landed Rockliff who plays Ah chee's position to a tea. Anorher mid Ah chee will be behind in the pecking order.

Port are hoping for a 3rd rounder. 4th or piss off.

 

[Monocle]

Ah Chee can piss off if Port won't take our fourth.

I've heard Monocle's reasoning, but he's simply not worth that price. It's high time the club stood it's ground on this one, offered our 4th/5th and are prepared to walk away if Port wasn't interested. It really won't be the end of the world if Brendon Ah Chee isn't in our squad.

3rd rounder for a player who still hasn't cracked a starting midfield spot despite having 6 years on an AFL list. For a guy who averages 14 odd disposals a game in this time, is from WA and wait for it...... Doesn't even have a contract.

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, no ******* way

Lots of points to address there Dark Sharks.

In your very own words , when asked if he would he improve our midfield, your reply was.

I honestly believe he would.

So does that mean he only improves our midfield depending what draft draft pick we use a third or a fourth. ?

I've heard Monocle's reasoning, but he's simply not worth that price. It's high time the club stood it's ground on this one, offered our 4th/5th and are prepared to walk away if Port wasn't interested. It really won't be the end of the world if Brendon Ah Chee isn't in our squad.

I do understand "the want" to even up the score with Port , but if you put the emotion of that aside and ask yourself :

If it wasn't a Port player would you be so headstrong?

Ah Chee fills a need and makes us a better side.

Often on this board we are critical of the Club for not being proactive enough to get deals done at trade week that will improve our side, so pay whats needed to get the deal done ( obviously with in reason ) or miss out on the deal. You cant have it both ways.

We are not the only team chasing Ah Chee's services. If it was only us in the hunt for him then by all means offer them sweet FA.

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3rd rounder for a player who still hasn't cracked a starting midfield spot despite having 6 years on an AFL list. For a guy who averages 14 odd disposals a game in this time, is from WA and wait for it...... Doesn't even have a contract.
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Those figures are skewed as he spend the first four games as the sub. Hard to rack up high possession in a game when your wearing the green vest.



I would like to point out that there are two Clubs that are well known for being both fair traders and also astute in their strategic assessment and pursuit of other Clubs fringe players / recycled player. Both Sydney and Geelong often pay what is perceived as slight overs to get a player across from another team to fill a specific need, but then in hindsight it appears to be a good move. Examples Ted Richards and Sam Menegola.

Both these Clubs have had a much longer sustained stay at the top of the ladder and clocked up more premierships since our last one...... sometimes it pays to look at other Clubs methods and adopt their best practices.
Hell even Richmond won a Premiership, in part, by addressing shortfalls and holes in their list and being strategic by recruiting in Nankervis, Caddy and Prestia to fill those holes.

We quibble on this board that we caved in and should have only dealt the slightly latter pick to Brisbane for Elliot Yeo.

Ask yourself this question how would you feel now if we had stood our ground and missed out on trading Yeo and he was playing the way he is at Fremantle.
I bet this Board would be scathing had our Club missed out , just to preserve a slightly better pick.

 

[Obeanie1]

The more I think about it Hawks2018 first plus Hartung for Gaff I think should tempt us.

Next years draft is very strong. IMO Hawks will finish in the bottom 6. Go look at their list profile.

We wait and see who else they get as FA's which is very thin now.

Next years pick 5 plus Harthung is a sh!t load better than an end of 1st round pick. And even if we force a trade will anyone offer better than a bittom 6 pick?

 

[ThePuma #9]

Lots of points to address there Dark Sharks.

In your very own words , when asked if he would he improve our midfield, your reply was.

So does that mean he only improves our midfield depending what draft draft pick we use a third or a fourth. ?

I do understand "the want" to even up the score with Port , but if you put the emotion of that aside and ask yourself :

If it wasn't a Port player would you be so headstrong?

Ah Chee fills a need and makes us a better side.

Often on this board we are critical of the Club for not being proactive enough to get deals done at trade week that will improve our side, so pay whats needed to get the deal done ( obviously with in reason ) or miss out on the deal. You cant have it both ways.

We are not the only team chasing Ah Chee's services. If it was only us in the hunt for him then by all means offer them sweet FA.

Those figures are skewed as he spend the first four games as the sub. Hard to rack up high possession in a game when your wearing the green vest.
I would like to point out that there are two Clubs that are well known for being both fair traders and also astute in their strategic assessment and pursuit of other Clubs fringe players / recycled player. Both Sydney and Geelong often pay what is perceived as slight overs to get a player across from another team to fill a specific need, but then in hindsight it appears to be a good move. Examples Ted Richards and Sam Menegola.

Both these Clubs have had a much longer sustained stay at the top of the ladder and clocked up more premierships since our last one...... sometimes it pays to look at other Clubs methods and adopt their best practices.
Hell even Richmond won a Premiership, in part, by addressing shortfalls and holes in their list and being strategic by recruiting in Nankervis, Caddy and Prestia to fill those holes.

We quibble on this board that we caved in and should have only dealt the slightly latter pick to Brisbane for Elliot Yeo.

Ask yourself this question how would you feel now if we had stood our ground and missed out on trading Yeo and he was playing the way he is at Fremantle.
I bet this Board would be scathing had our Club missed out , just to preserve a slightly better pick.

The issue for me is perception.

If the club had even once tried to play hard ball with another club maybe we wouldn't be seen as suckers when it comes to trade time and clubs like Port and Pies wouldn't feel like they couldn't bully us into a less fairer trade.

Paid overs for Wellingham, Jetta, Redden, Chick, Stenglein

Paid unders for Ebert, Staker, Gehrig, Judd.

Paid thereabouts for Ball, Seaby, Stevens, Morrison, Yeo.

We can argue which ones turned out to be in our favour in time like Judd and Yeo but at the time we were offered Pick 3 for Judd from a club with Pick 1 and a forward at the time that had kicked 11 goals? From 22 games in two years?? There was no evidence that J.K was going to be a gun, he could have been a Hansen, Gumbleton, McDougall etc Judd was best player anyone had seen for a long time, pick one should have been on the table full stop. We probably would have picked Cotchin too. Just saying. Also with Yeo 3 spots isn't worth losing a player I agree but it's the principle. If you're not prepared to stand your ground once in a while then no one takes your serious when you try to.

Perception is an important part of any trade negotiation and the perception on us is we will always "pay overs" or "accept unders" just to get the deal done.

Port play hard ball and have managed to acquire Dixon, Ebert, Ryder, Polec in previous years. It doesn't seem to be hurting them does it? They've even had to have the AFL enter mediation to help. How many players have they played hardball for and lost as a result I wonder?

They seem quite context to go the length of trade week if need be to get the best deal they can, just wish we had some of that tenacity when the moment calls for it.

 

[kempy]

The more I think about it Hawks2018 first plus Hartung for Gaff I think should tempt us.

Next years draft is very strong. IMO Hawks will finish in the bottom 6. Go look at their list profile.

We wait and see who else they get as FA's which is very thin now.

Next years pick 5 plus Harthung is a sh!t load better than an end of 1st round pick. And even if we force a trade will anyone offer better than a bittom 6 pick?

Can anyone point to something,anything, that Gaff has said or done that indicates he wants to leave the Eagles?

 

[new breed]

Can anyone point to something,anything, that Gaff has said or done that indicates he wants to leave the Eagles?

Ummmm well he bought a house in West Leederville few months ago and evidently its an investment only , wont be living in this house .

 

[Feeling Groovy]

Perception is an important part of any trade negotiation and the perception on us is we will always "pay overs" or "accept unders" just to get the deal done.

Whose perception is this though? This boards/our supporters or the general perception of other clubs? People in the know seem to say we are seen as fair traders not suckers. I don't necessarily disagree we could have played hardball a bit better on some occasions but perception isn't necessarily reality.

 

[hudson2006]

Can anyone point to something,anything, that Gaff has said or done that indicates he wants to leave the Eagles?

He's Victorian and was down on form this year, of course he is leaving! Just like Darling did last year.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Ok, let's take Kennedy as an example. He's completed 2 years, so he'd a RFA or UFA. He wants to be traded, GWS want to keep him. Let's say Carlton offer pick 38 and next year's second, which GWS think is low. Other teams are willing to offer more, but Kennedy is keen as mustard on the SOSage-fest going down at Carltank. What are GWS' options here?

And on another note, surely the AFL should be investigating tampering after the 3rd straight season where Blues are suddenly the beneficiaries of the a GWS player wanting to more!?!

He can re enter the national draft

 

[Chris_6678]

The more I think about it Hawks2018 first plus Hartung for Gaff I think should tempt us.

Next years draft is very strong. IMO Hawks will finish in the bottom 6. Go look at their list profile.

We wait and see who else they get as FA's which is very thin now.

Next years pick 5 plus Harthung is a sh!t load better than an end of 1st round pick. And even if we force a trade will anyone offer better than a bittom 6 pick?

Yeah with the way the Hawks go about it i wouldn't be surprised if they shot back up to the top 8. I do not like the idea of trading future first rounders. Second rounders i am fine with as its less risk.

If we trade Gaff it has to be with the Saints and their pick 7 or 8. Waiting till next year is a massive risk and we hear it every year next year is a better year.

We are in a good position with Gaff in that:

A: The Saints give us a first rounder plus steak knifes sort of deal this year giving us two first rounders

B: He leaves RFA next year giving us a first rounder to go along with our first rounder for 2018.

C: He stays and is young enough to be used to re-build the midfield.

I am in the option A camp in that we have been screaming for a way to rebuild the midfield for years and why not kick start it now when we still have JK ,Darling, Shuey, A returning Nic Nat, Gov, Yeo ect in their prime?

Teams like Adelaide, GWS, Geelong, Bulldogs have traded out some of their top talent and are always able to contend because they are given the opportunity to bring in players with quality picks. Gaff is A grade at his best but he is no match winner and plays a position that can be easily replaced. We cant keep pottering about mid table and hoping to pick up gun mids with picks 13-14 all the time. We have a solid list and all it needs is 1-2 A grade Inside/Outside mids and this year is a perfect opportunity to do so.

To replace Gaff we can always use Masten for a year or so ( yes i know not a great player) but he has the same sort of player in that he can run both ways. No Priddis and Mitchell means any new kids coming through will be given some pretty decent time in the middle.

Pull the pin WC do it!!

 

[Lolbert]

The issue for me is perception.

If the club had even once tried to play hard ball with another club maybe we wouldn't be seen as suckers when it comes to trade time and clubs like Port and Pies wouldn't feel like they couldn't bully us into a less fairer trade.

Paid overs for Wellingham, Jetta, Redden, Chick, Stenglein

Paid unders for Ebert, Staker, Gehrig, Judd.

Paid thereabouts for Ball, Seaby, Stevens, Morrison, Yeo.

We can argue which ones turned out to be in our favour in time like Judd and Yeo but at the time we were offered Pick 3 for Judd from a club with Pick 1 and a forward at the time that had kicked 11 goals? From 22 games in two years?? There was no evidence that J.K was going to be a gun, he could have been a Hansen, Gumbleton, McDougall etc Judd was best player anyone had seen for a long time, pick one should have been on the table full stop. We probably would have picked Cotchin too. Just saying. Also with Yeo 3 spots isn't worth losing a player I agree but it's the principle. If you're not prepared to stand your ground once in a while then no one takes your serious when you try to.

Perception is an important part of any trade negotiation and the perception on us is we will always "pay overs" or "accept unders" just to get the deal done.

Port play hard ball and have managed to acquire Dixon, Ebert, Ryder, Polec in previous years. It doesn't seem to be hurting them does it? They've even had to have the AFL enter mediation to help. How many players have they played hardball for and lost as a result I wonder?

They seem quite context to go the length of trade week if need be to get the best deal they can, just wish we had some of that tenacity when the moment calls for it.

Judd in this market would no doubt demand 1st and 3rd

 

[WCErevival]

Can anyone point to something,anything, that Gaff has said or done that indicates he wants to leave the Eagles?

Someone mentioned a couple of weeks back that Gaff will move back to Vic eventually. I think it came from his GF. Whether its after his footy career or not it wasn't said. If Gaff does want to go back early it may be in the clubs interest to trade him now so we get something for him.