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When i look at Gaffy now i cant help but think he has been genuinely brain damaged.
I dont think Gaff has gone soft I think his brain is geniunely ****ed after that hit, proper brain damage which is why he constantly seems in 2 minds. If you watch him, especially when he is under pressure you can see him go through 3 or 4 different options in small motions because his brain cant make the right decision which leads to him usually making a bad decision.
I am hearing differing views from my contacts in Melbourne. Both Vic teams have some real talent, SA is OK but WA is weak and the northern academies will be interesting for bids.
That said, we have not started the U18 carnival, the private school players are still playing for their schools and hrestricted in TAC games, the later developers are still developing (especially the talls), coordination is only starting to come back for others, etc. Who heard of English, Logan or Oliver as 1st rounders this time in their draft year?
I am hearing next year is strong and deep so maybe it is time to go hard for 2 first rounders this year. Would this year and next year second rounder get you another first rounder this year? I have heard that the top 20 is pretty even and whilst it may not have it's Weitering or Petracca as a stand out, there are great picks available in the first round.
That said, do we really trust O'Brien and his team? I believe they were divided last year with the WA members wanting The Shaker and O'Brien had the over-riding say for Venables.
As someone recently posted, how much better would we be looking if we took Blakely instead of Lamb and The Shaker instead of Venables? And before I am accused of hindsight trading, these were WA boys who were under our noses and in our development sides plus The Shaker even trained with us - it is called using the advantage of being in WA.
Blakely would be playing ressies, biding his time until Ploddus hangs up the boots at the end of 2019...
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Greg Denham has written a decent article in the Weekend Australian (page 42) called “Stagnant West Coast starting to lose control”. His first line says it all. “West Coast are in danger of becoming a team going nowhere”. In the article, he discusses some early warning signs.
It will not be surprising to many posters but the early warning signals are (a) we are the lowest ranked club in terms of rising star nominations since 2012 and since the 2015 Grand Final, (b) player development as we have only given 3 players a senior debut and these 3 have played a handful of games (not even reaching double figures).
So what is it?
1. We made some really bad calls on trading away our first round picks. Neither Wellingham nor Redden go close to a first round valuation so one needs to ask why did Vozzo allow to happen on his watch or was this his handy work?
2. We have promoted a lawyer with good player contract experience to be List Manager and now GM of Football and we have one of the most inexperienced List Managers. If you look at the NFL system, the GM if their List Manager equivalent and both the head coach and the GM report to the boss. Have a look at the organisation at the Eagles and we have more staff than players and the football operations looks to be a cluster F@@K.
3. Our Match Committee are holding back development in refusing to give the youth opportunities and once picked then to have a sustained run at it. I thought this had changed when in 2015 both Nelson and Duggan were given sustained runs in the seniors and have benefited from it. Not sure the exact role that Tim Gepp plays in the MC but something looks broken. The parts are not connected.
I did some additional analysis on the rising star nominations and where they are now. We are still bottom and have been embarrassed by the Violent Crumbles. They have won the go home factors with Hill (who only cost a second round pick) and McCarthy while in 2016 they even won back to back nominations compared to our 2 who were 31 rounds apart.
Ranking of Rising Star Nominations since 2012. The first column is which club had the nomination and the second column is where those nominations are playing at now. Example - McCarthy and Hill were both nominees so get added to Freo's list of Tabbenar, Blakely and Weller. So we have lost 2-5 to Freo who have been under Ross's watch and he has a reputation as a list killer!
I am fast believing that we have to make some radical changes at the top. We need a CEO who can run a football club. Nisbett is not a modern day leader and has been promoted beyond his level of competence. His big three off-field deliverables have been to get an AFLW team (sorry lads, pipped by Freo), negotiate the right stadium deal (news looking OK on this but not over the line yet) and deliver new state of the art training facilities (pipped by Freo by at least a year). So if you think Meatloaf was struggling, then Nisbett’s swan song needs to be “1 Out of 3 Ain’t Bad”.
I though our past Chairman had given O’Brien and his team a warning. I understand the desire to have the head of recruiting in the biggest city but I would question how well connected he is with the rest of the club. Certainly any talent from WA is being undervalued by O’Brien and inexcusably we are not using the home advantage to get much more than Gorter and some possible category B rookies.
It will not be surprising to many posters but the early warning signals are (a) we are the lowest ranked club in terms of rising star nominations since 2012 and since the 2015 Grand Final, (b) player development as we have only given 3 players a senior debut and these 3 have played a handful of games (not even reaching double figures).
So what is it?
1. We made some really bad calls on trading away our first round picks. Neither Wellingham nor Redden go close to a first round valuation so one needs to ask why did Vozzo allow to happen on his watch or was this his handy work?
2. We have promoted a lawyer with good player contract experience to be List Manager and now GM of Football and we have one of the most inexperienced List Managers. If you look at the NFL system, the GM if their List Manager equivalent and both the head coach and the GM report to the boss. Have a look at the organisation at the Eagles and we have more staff than players and the football operations looks to be a cluster F@@K.
3. Our Match Committee are holding back development in refusing to give the youth opportunities and once picked then to have a sustained run at it. I thought this had changed when in 2015 both Nelson and Duggan were given sustained runs in the seniors and have benefited from it. Not sure the exact role that Tim Gepp plays in the MC but something looks broken. The parts are not connected.
I did some additional analysis on the rising star nominations and where they are now. We are still bottom and have been embarrassed by the Violent Crumbles. They have won the go home factors with Hill (who only cost a second round pick) and McCarthy while in 2016 they even won back to back nominations compared to our 2 who were 31 rounds apart.
Ranking of Rising Star Nominations since 2012. The first column is which club had the nomination and the second column is where those nominations are playing at now. Example - McCarthy and Hill were both nominees so get added to Freo's list of Tabbenar, Blakely and Weller. So we have lost 2-5 to Freo who have been under Ross's watch and he has a reputation as a list killer!
I am fast believing that we have to make some radical changes at the top. We need a CEO who can run a football club. Nisbett is not a modern day leader and has been promoted beyond his level of competence. His big three off-field deliverables have been to get an AFLW team (sorry lads, pipped by Freo), negotiate the right stadium deal (news looking OK on this but not over the line yet) and deliver new state of the art training facilities (pipped by Freo by at least a year). So if you think Meatloaf was struggling, then Nisbett’s swan song needs to be “1 Out of 3 Ain’t Bad”.
I though our past Chairman had given O’Brien and his team a warning. I understand the desire to have the head of recruiting in the biggest city but I would question how well connected he is with the rest of the club. Certainly any talent from WA is being undervalued by O’Brien and inexcusably we are not using the home advantage to get much more than Gorter and some possible category B rookies.
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Makes me kind of hope that we get a decent pick then.. even if that means from a trade. A middling pick around 10 in a weak draft doesnt sound like it will get us anywhere.
And to prove the point - here is the WAFL line up for today
Yes I know there are some injuries (there again we often draft them injured says Barrass, Venables, Colledge, Cavka, ..) but we have out in the reserves the following:
Draft year
2010 picks 29
2011 pick 28
2013 picks 31 and 43 (name missing but I would have thought Karpany would be a late inclusion since he did not play)
2014 picks rookie
2015 picks 28, 36, 57 and rookie
2016 picks 13, 37, 52 Cat B
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Why would any poor performing player at an AFL club have high value .
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Yep stop watching.
You can't be that dumb, so it's either an over reaction or you trolling.
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Not trolling and I have many WCE fans friend who agree . Front runner , poor defensive ethics and nigh in useless at contested footy .so when WCE up and running he looks good , tighter games when higher work rate , occasionally go get your own ball he is missing . Lack of defensive side to WCE mids a major issue . Stats are damning
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No doubt would have some value to some club but "high value " . What are his elite game in game out attributes that sum up to "high value "?
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Bit worrying when you are a Port supporter and you have more posts on the WCE board than the Port one
2017 draft request - Jack Higgins please.
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Would be paying overs if we used our first on him, but would be very happy with him with our second.
Love his work rate and tenacity but his kicking needs quit a lot of work, but his handballing is terrific.
Wears # 3 Idolises one Christopher Judd, who like Higgins is a Caufield Grammar Boy.
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what are the thoughts on Draft camp making changes and not testing for the Beep test and also the 3 km time trials for draftees ??
Has a lot of quality traits to his game.
Genuine small forward as well, not if those small fwd's that we need to mould into a mid.
Interested in how he goes in the champs
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Still lingering like a bad smell I see Portapotty? It's been weeks since we touched up your mob but you won't go away?
A running, rebounding flanker who kicks goals and rips opposition midfields a new one.
A play with hurt factor.
How many of those do we have, and whats available?
Kelly from gws is looking at $1 million per year not $750.
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I heard the average wage in a few years will be 600k so 750 a year for Johan doesn't seem like overs .
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Tim Kelly becoming a must have.
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Don't really follow the WAFL aside from east perth, is he a mid or a forward or what? I notice he kicked 7 goals today and is averaging pretty much 30 disposals a game this year. What are the odds of him being drafted? Definitely sounds like a good option as a ready made player.
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Midfielder but SF were up by so much they swung him forward and kicked 5 for the third quarter.
Tbh as amazing as today's effort was it was against zero opposition and my excitement is still more from his state game performance.
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