2017 trade/draft thread

[Godfather32]

I think we're stuck with Darling anyway, no way he (or his mrs) will agree to a trade after just having a baby

 

[avishka5]

Nah, he's very slow imo, no acceleration whatsoever. He keeps on running and running but it's at one pace, he gets the ball but can't attack with it because he's got no speed to get any separation from his opponent.

saw him take the man on a bit up till 2015. Not much lately. Then again you got to factor in he runs more than any person in on the ground and arguably covers the most distance in the league. IMO if he can regain that beautiful kick he used to have, then that more than makes up for his average pace.

 

[Godfather32]

saw him take the man on a bit up till 2015. Not much lately. Then again you got to factor in he runs more than any person in on the ground and arguably covers the most distance in the league. IMO if he can regain that beautiful kick he used to have, then that more than makes up for his average pace.

Yeh it's a shame he's lost his kicking ability, doesn't make a lot of sense. He lack of pace means he's got a similar problem to Priddis though, gets exposed defensively quite often.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Yeh it's a shame he's lost his kicking ability, doesn't make a lot of sense. He lack of pace means he's got a similar problem to Priddis though, gets exposed defensively quite often.

Not looking at stats right now, I feel I've seen him at the coal face more recently and getting some hardballs. Any truth to the rumour? If he fixed his kicking we wouldn't really be discussing him.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

If they have a similar output potential, and are seemingly like for like, why would you trade Darling if the trade is a nil all draw?

I wrote "esp if we get an extra pick out of it", which was something that someone else suggested. Mitch is also 2 years younger, so perhaps more scope for improvement. Not gonna happen anyway, can't see Darling ever wanting to leave unless we leave him out of the side. Plus the comparison was more for Adelaide since they'd get a similar player in Darling.

 

[Godfather32]

Not looking at stats right now, I feel I've seen him at the coal face more recently and getting some hardballs. Any truth to the rumour? If he fixed his kicking we wouldn't really be discussing him.

Seems to be trying to win more contested ball, not sure where the recent angst over him not going in hard is coming from as that side of his game is the one area he's improved this year. He does have a tendency to corral instead of tackle but that could be something to do with his shoulder?

 

[avishka5]

Yeh it's a shame he's lost his kicking ability, doesn't make a lot of sense. He lack of pace means he's got a similar problem to Priddis though, gets exposed defensively quite often.

a bad kick from gaff is one of prids better kicks. Like i said, i think he needs time off to get his body right. He is a warrior and can/has played in pain and through injury but there comes a time it does more good than bad.
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Seems to be trying to win more contested ball, not sure where the recent angst over him not going in hard is coming from as that side of his game is the one area he's improved this year. He does have a tendency to corral instead of tackle but that could be something to do with his shoulder?

Think he needs a tackling coach this off season and needs to work 1v1 with him.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Seems to be trying to win more contested ball, not sure where the recent angst over him not going in hard is coming from as that side of his game is the one area he's improved this year. He does have a tendency to corral instead of tackle but that could be something to do with his shoulder?

Oh yeah strength wise, he's weak as piss. However he'll genuinely go if it's his turn. With the amount of running he does, I'm surprised he's able to lift his arms.
Likely he's protecting his shoulder. Does anyone know when he hurt his shoulder/s?

 

[IceNine]

I don't really see where the criticism of Gaff this year is coming from. He has never been an outstanding kick but rather a tidy one, and so far as I have seen that hasn't changed this year.

I've just been watching the replay of this weekend's game and he has offered the same tidy kicking (lacking penetration and Jetta-like vision, but nonetheless usually to advantage or to a one-on-one) that was promised when we drafted him.

This year he has been the workhorse outside accumulator that he has always been - lacking extreme pace, but always offering an outlet.

He seems the kind of guy who directs his competitive nature inwards - in pushing himself to his limits. He doesn't shirk contests, but he also doesn't show outward aggression in the way a character like Hodge might, for example.

I would be very disappointed to lose him, and feel he would be rated more highly at the club internally than he is by some on here.

 

[Godfather32]

Oh yeah strength wise, he's weak as piss. However he'll genuinely go if it's his turn. With the amount of running he does, I'm surprised he's able to lift his arms.
Likely he's protecting his shoulder. Does anyone know when he hurt his shoulder/s?

I thought it was early this year (maybe round 3 or 4?) but I'm not 100% sure

 

[Godfather32]

I don't really see where the criticism of Gaff this year is coming from. He has never been an outstanding kick but rather a tidy one, and so far as I have seen that hasn't changed this year.

I've just been watching the replay of this weekend's game and he has offered the same tidy kicking (lacking penetration and Jetta-like vision, but nonetheless usually to advantage or to a one-on-one) that was promised when we drafted him.

This year he has been the workhorse outside accumulator that he has always been - lacking extreme pace, but always offering an outlet.

He seems the kind of guy who directs his competitive nature inwards - in pushing himself to his limits. He doesn't shirk contests, but he also doesn't show outward aggression in the way a character like Hodge might, for example.

I would be very disappointed to lose him, and feel he would be rated more highly at the club internally than he is by some on here.

Earlier on in his career he was an excellent kick into the forward 50, now he's just as likely to send it way over Jk's head as he is to hit someone on the chest. He hasn't been damaging with the ball at all, gets a hell of a lot of it and always provides an outlet from defence but then half the time he's so slow he doesn't have time to do anything with it other than bomb it long.
That's where the criticism is coming from.

 

[avishka5]

I don't really see where the criticism of Gaff this year is coming from. He has never been an outstanding kick but rather a tidy one, and so far as I have seen that hasn't changed this year.

I've just been watching the replay of this weekend's game and he has offered the same tidy kicking (lacking penetration and Jetta-like vision, but nonetheless usually to advantage or to a one-on-one) that was promised when we drafted him.

This year he has been the workhorse outside accumulator that he has always been - lacking extreme pace, but always offering an outlet.

He seems the kind of guy who directs his competitive nature inwards - in pushing himself to his limits. He doesn't shirk contests, but he also doesn't show outward aggression in the way a character like Hodge might, for example.

I would be very disappointed to lose him, and feel he would be rated more highly at the club internally than he is by some on here.

Gaff's kicking has been universally been criticised on this board. Gaff was one of best kicks few years ago and was more than neat and was very accurate over a short distance.

 

[IceNine]

Gaff's kicking has been universally been criticised on this board.

I know he has been criticised, hence my post.

Gaff was one of best kicks few years ago and was more than neat and was very accurate over a short distance.

I disagree. He was never one of the best kicks.

I compare him to Masten, who is capable of some stunning bullets to the chest of a leading forward, interspersed with awful skill errors and downright dreadful kicks. Gaff has never had the ability to flick a bullet pass 45m onto a leading forwards chest. But he has always been tidy, and played with a clear understanding of his own limitations.

 

[Boohemian]

I wrote "esp if we get an extra pick out of it", which was something that someone else suggested. Mitch is also 2 years younger, so perhaps more scope for improvement. Not gonna happen anyway, can't see Darling ever wanting to leave unless we leave him out of the side. Plus the comparison was more for Adelaide since they'd get a similar player in Darling.

The exact phrase was: "Definitely would do a Gov jr for Darling trade, esp if we get an extra pick out of it" - which is to say that a potential trade is not contingent on the additional draft pick in your humble opinion.

It's nonsense.
Jack Darling has played 139 games for 249 goals (1.79 goals per game).

Mitch McGovern has played 26 games for a return of 35 goals (1.34 goals per game). It's a rather small sample size, and doesn't hold up to Jack's record.

Players go through periods of differing form, and it's true Jack's confidence is down and his form is less than we expect. This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater kinda stuff.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I wasn't advocating a straight swap for Gov Jr, but a 2nd round pick (maybe even a late 1st rounder) + Gov Jr might be closer to the mark, but of course it's all hypothetical since Darling would have no reason to want to move to Adelaide, and we don't offer players to other teams unless they were interested in a move. All in all, I was just responding to a suggestion someone else made, not saying that Darling absolutely has to go.

 

[Patron]

Do we desperately need a replacement though? Scoring goals hasn't been that much of a problem while he's been out, getting smashed in the midfield is a bigger problem imo and something we need to sort out as a priority before we look at a ready made key forward.

Once Petrie is gone, Yes. You can only get away with this stuff for so long and I would argue we haven't gotten away with it even for a few rounds.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Hopefully JK will play for at least 2-3 more years, but you never know with his fitness. Probably not exactly a priority right now to trade in a JK replacement, but would like to draft a taller KPF in the next few years. Gov is still an option to replace JK once he's retired (with Darling/Waterman/Allen in support), but if we still don't have another taller KPF at that point and we've decided to just keep Gov in defence, maybe trading in a ready made player is an option. Just wishful thinking, but hopefully there'll be an uncontracted one available then so they won't cost as much.

 

[KO_KO]

For me, big Gov is the Kennedy replacement.

Barrass fills his spot down back, will need another KPD in the near future though.

 

[new breed]

Gov jnr likely to play third game in Adelaide reserves , struggling reported rusty ....

 

[eagles rule]

Think Gaff is a bit like Shuey in that he has a strong attachment to the club and like Shuey and has come to lovng Perth. That said if he does go home it would be to Melbourne and I can't see the club shipping him off unless he requests a trade back home. His form in the last year has been poor but a bloody good footballer when he is going. His work ethic and work rate his high so I can see him finding his best form.

Going to a genuine flag fancy on good dough .Would have some appeal if he wanted to be a premiership player and obviously if Kelly leaves a good opportunity Gaff could attract good draft picks ..

 

[Ok Boomer]

Gov Jnr is so overrated at this stage.

 

[mattyc75]

I wouldn't be trading out gaff if at all possible, we need to add to.our midfield not take away key components. If we had draft any where near competently in recent years we would have an In side mid to take over from priddis and then gaff starts looking ok

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[Chris_6678]

I wouldn't be trading out gaff if at all possible, we need to add to.our midfield not take away key components. If we had draft any where near competently in recent years we would have an In side mid to take over from priddis and then gaff starts looking ok

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I agree 100%. Gaff is just cooked this year because he just runs and runs and then gets smashed from pillar to post as he goes in for the hardball when no one else does. The was a reason teams tagged him becasue he is disposal by foot was very good. When our inside game is working players like Gaff are so important.

 

[Matera92]

Gaff looks like he needs a few weeks off from all contact, plays very ginger at the moment (minus the diving) and appears really sore. Still throws his body in, can't ever question his toughness.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Gaff looks like he needs a few weeks off from all contact, plays very ginger at the moment (minus the diving) and appears really sore. Still throws his body in, can't ever question his toughness.

What are you saying, he's playing without a soul?