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What is baffling is if a certain skill us holding a player back from selection...why do we think 5 minutes at the end of a session is going to overcome the issue?
That would be 5 minutes one-on-one with the head coach. I would personally give him some blunt input and clear objectives such as "Mutes - unless you can adjust your kicking and provide the sort of disposal we need as a team coming out of defence, you will fester away in EP during 2017 and most likely be delisted come years end. Over to you young man."

Now that would be a very valuable 5 minutes.
 
That would be 5 minutes one-on-one with the head coach. I would personally give him some blunt input and clear objectives such as "Mutes - unless you can adjust your kicking and provide the sort of disposal we need as a team coming out of defence, you will fester away in EP during 2017 and most likely be delisted come years end. Over to you young man."

Now that would be a very valuable 5 minutes.
There was one game late last year when he looked good but it was in the rain and bombing it forward is a legitimate tactic in a game of Meyers gained. These kids have to pick the brains of Shuey,Mitch, gaff and even Duggan and learn how to become better decision maker under pressure and how to find and execute targets going forward. Hopefully the more footy the win for East Perth the above improves. I can see both having good seasons for the royals as their late season form in a production sense wasn't too bad.
 
There was one game late last year when he looked good but it was in the rain and bombing it forward is a legitimate tactic in a game of Meyers gained. These kids have to pick the brains of Shuey,Mitch, gaff and even Duggan and learn how to become better decision maker under pressure and how to find and execute targets going forward. Hopefully the more footy the win for East Perth the above improves. I can see both having good seasons for the royals as their late season form in a production sense wasn't too bad.


Let's see Duggan show substantially more before we get him in the leadership group. He is the definition of unrealised potential at this stage.
 

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Let's see Duggan show substantially more before we get him in the leadership group. He is the definition of unrealised potential at this stage.
Not really leadership. It's a bit like when you were in school and you had a better understanding of a certain topic/chapter than your mate so you help him out. Also Duggan should spend a bit more time at EP compared to the others so he could get through the to them more.
 
Yes that does say something.

Redden and Wellingham were picks 17 and 18 though.

Really hope we land Mitch, perfect Le cras / Hill replacement.

Who knows how long Kennedy will play for,at least his first 3 years was in Vic and not flying 10,000 km a year. Hopefully he'll last to 32 / 33.

2018 forward 6

Rioli(175) Kennedy(196) Cripps (183)
McGovern (191) Darling (191) ( Venables (185)

Bench: Waterman (192), Lycett / Vardy (200), Redden (190), Partington (181)

Nice spread and the heights are that of the more modern mobile forward line.

Land of the giants no more.:thumbsu::D

Forward line post Kennedy & Lecras

FF: Rioli J.McGovern M.McGovern
HF: Venables Darling Cripps

We definitely need to draft 2-3 KPP's to cover Kennedy, Schofield & EMac over the next 2 years - and a project ruckman.
 
Forward line post Kennedy & Lecras

FF: Rioli J.McGovern M.McGovern
HF: Venables Darling Cripps

We definitely need to draft 2-3 KPP's to cover Kennedy, Schofield & EMac over the next 2 years - and a project ruckman.

Waterman isn't a tall forward?

And Lamb at 194 cm plus Matty Allen at 192 cm don't cut it?

Allen is a natural FF, leads very well. Bradshaw (ex Lions) type.

Vardy at 199cm is only 25yrs old.

We aren't desperate just yet.
 
Waterman isn't a tall forward?

And Lamb at 194 cm plus Matty Allen at 192 cm don't cut it?

Allen is a natural FF, leads very well. Bradshaw (ex Lions) type.

Vardy at 199cm is only 25yrs old.

We aren't desperate just yet.
Lamb could possibly be gone by the end of the year, if he doesn't pull his anus out of his head. Hopeful but not convinced.

Vardy is injured more often than not. I wouldn't be including him in any long term plans at this point either, based on that. Be a bonus only.

Fair call on Jake and Allen though. Both could still develop nicely.
 
Waterman isn't a tall forward?

And Lamb at 194 cm plus Matty Allen at 192 cm don't cut it?

Allen is a natural FF, leads very well. Bradshaw (ex Lions) type.

Vardy at 199cm is only 25yrs old.

We aren't desperate just yet.
Lamb and waterman are not really key position players. Lamb plays his best footy away from goal and pushing down the ground. Waterman has shown a similar tendency but can play as a lead up tall but is undersized at AFL level.
 
Lamb and waterman are not really key position players. Lamb plays his best footy away from goal and pushing down the ground. Waterman has shown a similar tendency but can play as a lead up tall but is undersized at AFL level.
Avishka - gone a bit too far on that call. Having seen Waterman play colts and U18, I disagree with you. About the only way you can bracket Lamb and Waterman together is on height. They play nothing like each other. And yes, Waterman was a key target in the forward line for both WA and Claremont. The pace of the game has changed the KPF definition. For much of the U18 it was Strnadica and Waterman as the go to targets. Have a look at Gunston at Hawthorn.
 
Avishka - gone a bit too far on that call. Having seen Waterman play colts and U18, I disagree with you. About the only way you can bracket Lamb and Waterman together is on height. They play nothing like each other. And yes, Waterman was a key target in the forward line for both WA and Claremont. The pace of the game has changed the KPF definition. For much of the U18 it was Strnadica and Waterman as the go to targets. Have a look at Gunston at Hawthorn.
I poorly worded that but I still rekon they're aren't KPF at AFL level. Yes I agree that Jake played key position last year but it would be a stretch for him to do so at the next level. At times he was pushing into the middle or down the ground last season and I thik at AFL level thats the usual role players of his size type play. That said he is more likely to to turn into a traditional kpf than Lamb and probably end up like darling (who I don't think can lead our forward line for many years).

There's always the exception and Gunston is that but even he had one of the greatests mids in the comp feeding him for majority of his career. He also had roughy and Franklin above him at times. I would be interested to see how he would go in a shit side.
 

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If we don't draft a genuine kpf this year we've got rocks in our head.Kennedy would be an awesome mentor

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Interested to hear what you think makes him an awesome mentor!

Great forward but I am not close enough to his leadership skills to know about mentoring.
 
Interested to hear what you think makes him an awesome mentor!

Great forward but I am not close enough to his leadership skills to know about mentoring.
I just think a young forward could learn a lot from Kennedy's style of play and work ethic.there is no better kpf at providing forward pressure and he goes alright at kicking goals too.

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Lamb and waterman are not really key position players. Lamb plays his best footy away from goal and pushing down the ground. Waterman has shown a similar tendency but can play as a lead up tall but is undersized at AFL level.

Is Darling undersized?

Gunston also mentioned as a quality tall forward.

Fevola and Bradshaw were not super tall and not to mention Dunstal.

The modern game requires running agile talls. 191 / 192 cm is tall enough if you are good enough and successful teams have shown that. Sure you need a 199 / 200cm forward who can pinch hit in the ruck.
 
The 2017 Trade / FA / Draft - the best realistic outcome

Coming In

  1. FA in Tom Rockliff - 28 in 2018, mates with Redden / Yeo, inside mid to cover the eventual retirement of Priddis and Mitchell. Will move for success and if we retain Priddis and Mitchell plus add Rockliff the 2018 midfield with a returning NickNat will be a hard one to beat. Salary covered by loss of MacKenzie also as a FA.
  2. Trade in Mitch McGovern, 2nd round pick. The obvious replacement for Hill / Le cras when they retire. Will be on half decent money but not silly money.
  3. Retain our 1st pick and go best available, on a needs basis a quality tall forward.
Going out

  1. Eric MacKenzie FA - unless he returns to something close to his best and regains his spot Eric will move elsewhere, possibly Freo or even Essendon to reunite with Woosha.
  2. Karpany - possible inclusion in the McGovern trade. Likely back to SA or just delisted and rookied by a SA club.
  3. I know it's wishful thinking but Masten may well get pushed down the pecking order this year and may look elsewhere to get regular games. Again not sure on the relationship with Woosha but Essendon still need to bolster their midfield.
  4. Tom Lamb - the arrival of McGovern and the development of Waterman will mean times up for Lamb. Lucky to get anything for him unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.
  5. Josh Hill - will all depend on out put and list demand. Possible rookie spot for depth.
  6. Sam Butler - same as Hill. A few yongsters nipping at his heels which is good. Fantastic player and club man, would be great to retain as a development playing coach at East Perth IMO.
  7. Mutimer - up to you young man. Needs to improve skills and decision making. Could Sam Mitchell turn this rough diamond into a winner? Rookie down grade?
  8. Matty Allen - a gut feeling we will retain as development depth. Big unit without being super tall. Late starter in AFL but he's a true leading FF just as Kennedy is and has a really nice set shot. Our midfield has been used to a strong leading FF for quite a while and we don't have a lot of them on the list.
 
I think you may be under-rating Hill there. Sure, if he has a terrible year he may be pushed out but if he has a year like either of the last two, he will still be on the senior list in my view. I think Allen may also be contracted for another year from something Keys or someone else wrote the other day.
 

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I think you may be under-rating Hill there. Sure, if he has a terrible year he may be pushed out but if he has a year like either of the last two, he will still be on the senior list in my view. I think Allen may also be contracted for another year from something Keys or someone else wrote the other day.

The highly respected contracts thread should have your answer.

Also, yes, he got an extra year on his rookie deal so he'll be here for 2018.
 
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