2017 trade/draft thread

[bunkyboy]

Plus Drew would come back out for Lycett

Have to disagree - reports are that Lycett is underdone. I thought Petrie was good - he's got footy smarts.

 

[bunkyboy]

Whats the chances of making a big play for jack Martin you reckon. He's a real need i reckon, he's that small forward we are after that can also play taller and take a mark and push through the middle or down back. Just something we dont have. Also think he hasn't got anywhere near his potential and is at his cheapest at the moment.

Isn't he contracted?

 

[Obeanie1]

Matera out of contract and GC have quite a few medium/small forwards.

If they lose May they will need a tall backman.

Schofield plus our 3rd for Matera plus one of their 2nd rounders?

Matera takes Le cras spot.

 

[new breed]

Matera out of contract and GC have quite a few medium/small forwards.

If they lose May they will need a tall backman.

Schofield plus our 3rd for Matera plus one of their 2nd rounders?

Matera takes Le cras spot.

Matera looks our likely trade target ...very skilled and pacy .

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Went to Vic Metro/WA U18 game and will write up more observations later tonight. Only saw the second half so hopefully others may add to it.

Having seen WA, Vic Metro and SAm I believe this should be the year we take a couple of talls and will only need to use our 3rd and/or 4th on them. There are some talls that I think will fall to later in the draft that we be good meaning there is no problem taking an A grade midfielder with our first.

Vic Metro beat WA - there are a few Vic gems that I elaborate on later but WA boys really looked fast and made Vic Metro look slow (with a couple of exceptions).

and the WA talls surprised me (I expected the Vic Talls to dominate and they did not). Naughton had another good game at CHB and Miller Fwd/Ruck looked good. Taylor at FB was good as well. Allen as a tall fwd also impressed. Always nice to see a local tall that will happily stay on the list and be ready after 3 years plus in WAFL (a la Barrass).

 

[WCE1987]

Have to disagree - reports are that Lycett is underdone. I thought Petrie was good - he's got footy smarts.

But age

 

[wadistance]

Have to disagree - reports are that Lycett is underdone. I thought Petrie was good - he's got footy smarts.

Agreed. You don't play 300 games cos you're shit at footy

 

[wadistance]

Also... piss off JJ. We've got a bloke called Tom Cole who's more than you

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

OK – so a preface that I only saw the second half of the WA v Vic Metro game on Sunday. That said, having gone to the game last week, there felt like a bit more continuity in what I saw from the WA boys. Here goes.

Aaron Naughton (Peel) was the stand out tall for me on the day - a day when there were a lot of talls on display. He commands the CHB position brilliantly and is not afraid to attack. His kicking has taken a bit of time to accept as it is non-conventional (mainly his short kicks being an abridged style that you might think it is his non-preferred) but he has a probing long raking kick and his shorter target are pretty effective. At times he looked more the attacking defender like Rance.

Sam Taylor (Swans) at FB was strong again. There were a few turnovers by WA in the midfield meaning there were a couple of goals that got out the back and hit the tall target for Vic Metro which happens and tool some shine off Sam. He looks like a real taker and again showed an appetite for the contest.

Oscar Allen (West Perth) as a KPF was strong up front with 3 goals so backing up from last week was impressive. He was having a decent battle with Noah Balta (Calder Cannons) who is tough and strong and well considered – looks like Noah models his game on the 1970’s Collingwood backline. Anyway both players showed enough to think they will be drafted, just a matter of which round.

Ben Miller (Subiaco) continues may be someone West Coast may look at as a later pick. Standing at 196 cm, he is a KPF that has already developed his ruck craft which enables him to look more elegant but more importantly the knocks he wins usually look to be to advantage. He was up against Sam Hayes (203 cm Eastern Rangers) for much of the second half and more than held his own. Jonathon Frampton (South Freo and younger brother of Port’s Billy Frampton) was OK in the ruck without being great but when Miller was rucking, WA looked cleaner getting the ball and Miller does enough round the ground and up forward.

On Sam Hayes, he was AA in the carnival last year as an bottom-age player and not sure if he is still growing, but I understand the knock on him from Melbourne not knowing whether he is the KPF that can ruck of a ruck that rests up forward. If the later, then his top 10 draft billing will likely slide down to teens and possibly 20’s if recruiters only value him as a ruck. I heard a comment from a Melbourne scout “Waiting for him to take on a game”. Is he suffering from a recent growth spurt and he has not got the coordination quite back? It will be an interesting next 4 months.


Adam Cerra (Eastern Rangers) was the class act in the 2nd half for me. He imposes himself on the contest and makes great football decisions. Good hands, clean kicking, smart decisions and tough in the contest frequently putting his head over the ball and winning it. At 186 cm and 86 kg, he looks ready and I would expect him to be playing AFL in 2018. He is seen as a top 10 and everything I saw supports this view and will be contested beast in the midfield.

If you are looking at speed, you will be interested in Jack Petrucelle (Northern Knights). Played defence and ran out fast and hard bringing the ball out of defence. I would have likes to see him play wing and to see more of his speed, that said he pushed up into the forward line at times that made me take notice. Pretty even with his dual sided skills and he could well be around our pick and will give recruiters a challenge as to whether he will be the next Isaac Smith.

Cameron Rayner (Western Jets) was another really nice midfielder. At 187 cm and 88 kg, he has the size and like Cerra, he looks lock in already. Jack Higgins (Oakleigh Chargers) was lively and kicked a couple of goals which always hold well, I will want to see if he repeats this throughout the carnival. I was disappointed in Stephenson – not that he was bad but did not seem to impose himself in the game like the high billing he is getting in Melbourne.

Christian Ameduri (East Perth) had another good game and contested hard. He is clean by hand and foot and is a midfielder who can genuinely rest forward and be an effective forward. At 187, he is a great height for the bigger midfield desire and feels like a 3rd round prospect.

I am wanting to highlight a late prospect (possibly rookie) that might be a decent risk reward and that is Narrier (Subiaco). He is over-age but with a November birthday so I do not discount him from an age perspective because he is fast and at 187 cm and only 75 kg, it is not due to his bulk. In speed terms, he is damn fast and knows it. I loved the way he took on his man virtually saying you can’t get me and he had a couple of chases in the third quarter that got him to the contest and he managed to impacted the disposal. His pace means he is aggressive in taking on the game and at times tries to do a bit too much and would benefit from slowing down. These are all teachable but the speed of foot is something that is not.

Shorter notes on the other WA mids/smaller. Joyce (East Freo) gets the ball but does not do enough with it for my liking. Hill (Perth) has the skills but it was as if the game was not enabling him to shine but silky enough still. Patmore (Claremont) was more in the game but if Banfield did not get a gig last year, then for me Patmore offers less. England (Claremont) was much better than last week and showed speed. He is attracting some interest from over east so I need to go to a few more Claremont games and watch his disposal. He usually gets a lot of it and was cleaner in Colts so it may have been the step up in time pressure last week that worried me. Ainsworth is strong and gets to the ball but I cringed when he did not make the distance from about 35 m as his kicking style looks horrible. Louis Miller (East Perth) is a bottom ager and looked really good. He is strong in the contest and will take the game on. Reads the play and will probably start as a rebounding HBF and go through the midfield. Being at EP, I expect us to have really good insights into him as he has a load more to offer than our other Scotch/East Perth rookie Gorter.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Meh, i'd let JJ go personally. He's not a bad player by any means, but he's not a 'vital' piece we're lacking either.

I think he's overrated, like several of the bulldogs players who overachieved in a dream premiership season.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Meh, i'd let JJ go personally. He's not a bad player by any means, but he's not a 'vital' piece we're lacking either.

I think he's overrated, like several of the bulldogs players who overachieved in a dream premiership season.

Agree with you on JJ. If he was the missing part to the puzzle, then a hefty pay packet could be justified. Same way I do not see Gov jnr as being players in a position of high need. Midfield is our priority. I would be interested in Zac Jones as he offers real midfield time and is much cleaner with the ball. He also offers genuine leg speed and I think a sizeable package would entice him from the east. Yes there is a Melbourne connection with his brother but Nathan is 29 so they will not get that much time together.

 

[Eaglespur]

Agree with you on JJ. If he was the missing part to the puzzle, then a hefty pay packet could be justified. Same way I do not see Gov jnr as being players in a position of high need. Midfield is our priority. I would be interested in Zac Jones as he offers real midfield time and is much cleaner with the ball. He also offers genuine leg speed and I think a sizeable package would entice him from the east. Yes there is a Melbourne connection with his brother but Nathan is 29 so they will not get that much time together.

I'd take Gov jr over JJ i think.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I'd take Gov jr over JJ i think.

I would happily have Gov but at what price? I expect a decent $$$ which would be fine BUT Adelaide will want too much in picks.

 

[Falco]

Pick 30 + (Allen or Karpany or Redden) for Gov Jr + Pick 52 (Adel third round)?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Pick 30 + (Allen or Karpany or Redden) for Gov Jr + Pick 52 (Adel third round)?

Would you do that deal as Crows list manager and still think you would keep your job?

It is the equivalent of Allen and pick 42.

 

[Falco]

OK – so a preface that I only saw the second half of the WA v Vic Metro game on Sunday. That said, having gone to the game last week, there felt like a bit more continuity in what I saw from the WA boys. Here goes.

Aaron Naughton (Peel) was the stand out tall for me on the day - a day when there were a lot of talls on display. He commands the CHB position brilliantly and is not afraid to attack. His kicking has taken a bit of time to accept as it is non-conventional (mainly his short kicks being an abridged style that you might think it is his non-preferred) but he has a probing long raking kick and his shorter target are pretty effective. At times he looked more the attacking defender like Rance.

Sam Taylor (Swans) at FB was strong again. There were a few turnovers by WA in the midfield meaning there were a couple of goals that got out the back and hit the tall target for Vic Metro which happens and tool some shine off Sam. He looks like a real taker and again showed an appetite for the contest.

Oscar Allen (West Perth) as a KPF was strong up front with 3 goals so backing up from last week was impressive. He was having a decent battle with Noah Balta (Calder Cannons) who is tough and strong and well considered – looks like Noah models his game on the 1970’s Collingwood backline. Anyway both players showed enough to think they will be drafted, just a matter of which round.

Ben Miller (Subiaco) continues may be someone West Coast may look at as a later pick. Standing at 196 cm, he is a KPF that has already developed his ruck craft which enables him to look more elegant but more importantly the knocks he wins usually look to be to advantage. He was up against Sam Hayes (203 cm Eastern Rangers) for much of the second half and more than held his own. Jonathon Frampton (South Freo and younger brother of Port’s Billy Frampton) was OK in the ruck without being great but when Miller was rucking, WA looked cleaner getting the ball and Miller does enough round the ground and up forward.

On Sam Hayes, he was AA in the carnival last year as an bottom-age player and not sure if he is still growing, but I understand the knock on him from Melbourne not knowing whether he is the KPF that can ruck of a ruck that rests up forward. If the later, then his top 10 draft billing will likely slide down to teens and possibly 20’s if recruiters only value him as a ruck. I heard a comment from a Melbourne scout “Waiting for him to take on a game”. Is he suffering from a recent growth spurt and he has not got the coordination quite back? It will be an interesting next 4 months.


Adam Cerra (Eastern Rangers) was the class act in the 2nd half for me. He imposes himself on the contest and makes great football decisions. Good hands, clean kicking, smart decisions and tough in the contest frequently putting his head over the ball and winning it. At 186 cm and 86 kg, he looks ready and I would expect him to be playing AFL in 2018. He is seen as a top 10 and everything I saw supports this view and will be contested beast in the midfield.

If you are looking at speed, you will be interested in Jack Petrucelle (Northern Knights). Played defence and ran out fast and hard bringing the ball out of defence. I would have likes to see him play wing and to see more of his speed, that said he pushed up into the forward line at times that made me take notice. Pretty even with his dual sided skills and he could well be around our pick and will give recruiters a challenge as to whether he will be the next Isaac Smith.

Cameron Rayner (Western Jets) was another really nice midfielder. At 187 cm and 88 kg, he has the size and like Cerra, he looks lock in already. Jack Higgins (Oakleigh Chargers) was lively and kicked a couple of goals which always hold well, I will want to see if he repeats this throughout the carnival. I was disappointed in Stephenson – not that he was bad but did not seem to impose himself in the game like the high billing he is getting in Melbourne.

Christian Ameduri (East Perth) had another good game and contested hard. He is clean by hand and foot and is a midfielder who can genuinely rest forward and be an effective forward. At 187, he is a great height for the bigger midfield desire and feels like a 3rd round prospect.

I am wanting to highlight a late prospect (possibly rookie) that might be a decent risk reward and that is Narrier (Subiaco). He is over-age but with a November birthday so I do not discount him from an age perspective because he is fast and at 187 cm and only 75 kg, it is not due to his bulk. In speed terms, he is damn fast and knows it. I loved the way he took on his man virtually saying you can’t get me and he had a couple of chases in the third quarter that got him to the contest and he managed to impacted the disposal. His pace means he is aggressive in taking on the game and at times tries to do a bit too much and would benefit from slowing down. These are all teachable but the speed of foot is something that is not.

Shorter notes on the other WA mids/smaller. Joyce (East Freo) gets the ball but does not do enough with it for my liking. Hill (Perth) has the skills but it was as if the game was not enabling him to shine but silky enough still. Patmore (Claremont) was more in the game but if Banfield did not get a gig last year, then for me Patmore offers less. England (Claremont) was much better than last week and showed speed. He is attracting some interest from over east so I need to go to a few more Claremont games and watch his disposal. He usually gets a lot of it and was cleaner in Colts so it may have been the step up in time pressure last week that worried me. Ainsworth is strong and gets to the ball but I cringed when he did not make the distance from about 35 m as his kicking style looks horrible. Louis Miller (East Perth) is a bottom ager and looked really good. He is strong in the contest and will take the game on. Reads the play and will probably start as a rebounding HBF and go through the midfield. Being at EP, I expect us to have really good insights into him as he has a load more to offer than our other Scotch/East Perth rookie Gorter.

Great work Asterix. What position is more important for our first this year, midfield or KPF? Who would you take on current form in the ND/RD?

 

[Falco]

Would you do that deal as Crows list manager and still think you would keep your job?

Absolutely. They will want our first but his value probably sits somewhere between our first and second. Second rounder plus a sweetener, because there's no way we should be giving up our first!

 

[Chris_6678]

Was keen for JJ but for the price he will cost it will be like a Wellingham situation where we pay to much for him where he will be a handy player and nothing more.

 

[Eaglespur]

I would happily have Gov but at what price? I expect a decent $$$ which would be fine BUT Adelaide will want too much in picks.

That's it. What is he worth? a second rounder?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Great work Asterix. What position is more important for our first this year, midfield or KPF? Who would you take on current form in the ND/RD?

Midfield. There are enough talls that will fall to our 2nd and 3rd round picks so I would go midfield with number 1 and not trade it.

As it stands, I would love Adam Cerra. Knightmare had him on power rankings at 14 so about right but if he keeps his current from I think he will be gone before our pick assuming we stay in the 8. It will be clearer after the next month but there is no clear No 1 draft pick like in prior years. Luke Davies-Uniacke is probably towards the top of most lists and then there is a bunch of names that have been touted and I think there will be sliders and smokies in the first round.

Charlie Spargo is another who I rate that will be at around our pick. A blue collar inside mid that gets the job done. Not slow either. He could easily start as a small forward and then once he gets his body right and his endurance, he would be good in the midfield.

 

[Jootube]

Jarrod Garlett has been home in WA for almost 18 months now (taken pick 15 in the 2014 draft).

Any word on if he's a player that might make our list?

 

[CM9000]

I reckon Mitch McGovern is worth a first round pick. Quality talls with the potential to reach AA status (and actually get there, not just be Jarrad Waite) don't come around often, and if his ceiling is anything like Jeremy's, we'd be in for a real treat.

Trade: 2017 First Round Pick
Receive: Mitch McGovern

 

[WCE_phil]

Midfield. There are enough talls that will fall to our 2nd and 3rd round picks so I would go midfield with number 1 and not trade it.

As it stands, I would love Adam Cerra. Knightmare had him on power rankings at 14 so about right but if he keeps his current from I think he will be gone before our pick assuming we stay in the 8. It will be clearer after the next month but there is no clear No 1 draft pick like in prior years. Luke Davies-Uniacke is probably towards the top of most lists and then there is a bunch of names that have been touted and I think there will be sliders and smokies in the first round.

Charlie Spargo is another who I rate that will be at around our pick. A blue collar inside mid that gets the job done. Not slow either. He could easily start as a small forward and then once he gets his body right and his endurance, he would be good in the midfield.

I worry that spargo is quite small and worry about where he fits at all level. Jamie cripps without the top level pace or Toby Greene with significantly lower production as a junior. Foot skills I would also say are average and as a forward he's more of a marking target rather than a crumber. 176 to 178 cm marking forward without amazing skills or amazing pace. I see him if well developed being a 11-20 player on a list. Definitely not worth a first imo.

 

[Chris_6678]

I reckon Mitch McGovern is worth a first round pick. Quality talls with the potential to reach AA status (and actually get there, not just be Jarrad Waite) don't come around often, and if his ceiling is anything like Jeremy's, we'd be in for a real treat.

Trade: 2017 First Round Pick
Receive: Mitch McGovern

He isn't a tall though... 191cms

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Matera looks our likely trade target ...very skilled and pacy .

Matera is medium paced for his role. Wouldn't be much of an upgrade on a fit and in form Cripps.


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