2017 trade/draft thread

[Jandamarra]

If people rated priddis A - grade, then there's no doubt sheed can be an a-grader. Sheeds got a more balanced game, has close to elite skills on both sides of his body, has better vision and hits the scoreboard. That makes him a much more dangerous player than priddis. He'd be an A-grader if he can turn him self into a high possession accumulator.

And i think it is more than just winning possessions. He has to become more contested and hard edged than he currently is imo.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

He can play in that position although he is better suited in the midfield.
Can play HBF, HFF and in the midfield as either an extracting inside mid or a speedy outside runner.

Last week he played in the midfield for The Stingrays and gathered 34 disposals of which 20 where contested possessions, 11 clearances, 10 inside 50's, 7 tackles and 1 goal.
Whilst I haven't yet spoken with my mates in Melbourne to get all the exacts, never the less yesterday he was named as the Stingrays best and kicked 2 goals.

I make no secret of the fact that Hunter Clark is my favourite player in this years draft as I see the most upside in his game, he already plays well but I believe there is so much more that I believe he is capable of .

Come draft night if we read his name out I would be very happy ,its not as if we have an abundance of inside mids that win contested possessions and get lots of clearances . The kid has very good pace , runs the lines with his spread and carry as he bounces the ball down the wing or centre corridor. Plus he is as tough as and likes the contest.

Any concerns over Hunter's kicking? I know Bishop on the drafts and trading board doesn't rate it and based on the two youtube videos* I've seen on him, I have to agree. It also looks like his decision making is a bit mechanical at times.

Honestly, if we drafted him, I would have to talk myself into it.

Looks like a good athlete though and he takes down some nice marks. Plus I think he'll benefit more than most from hitting the gym at AFL level.

*LOL. I know.

 

[avishka5]

Don't think he will be priddis level but he will be but will be be a pretty good contested player. He has great ability to whitsand in tackles and get a clean hand pass out or break free. He'd be par with a Shuey imo. He averages 9 contested possessions as mostly as an outside player so the more time on ball the more contested possessions I presume.

This off season the key he needs to focus on getting fitter and stronger at the same time.

 

[Jandamarra]

Don't think he will be priddis level but he will be but will be be a pretty good contested player. He has great ability to whitsand in tackles and get a clean hand pass out or break free. He'd be par with a Shuey imo. He averages 9 contested possessions as mostly as an outside player so the more time on ball the more contested possessions I presume.

This off season the key he needs to focus on getting fitter and stronger at the same time.

How many more kgs until official Bull™ status?

 

[Monocle]

Any concerns over Hunter's kicking? I know Bishop on the drafts and trading board doesn't rate it and based on the two youtube videos* I've seen on him, I have to agree. It also looks like his decision making is a bit mechanical at times.

Honestly, if we drafted him, I would have to talk myself into it.

Looks like a good athlete though and he takes down some nice marks. Plus I think he'll benefit more than most from hitting the gym at AFL level.

*LOL. I know.

Not worried ,long term, at all about his kicking as the biomechanics of whats wrong with his action is easily correctable (TBH I am surprised that it hasn't, in part, been addressed , by now ).
His left arm needs to be extended more to a 180 degree angle as its cramping the actions fluidity, he also has a slight flaw in the ball drop that can be addressed. He also needs to kick through the ball with more force when he passes short, as at the moment he under kicks the pass to overcompensate for a flatter trajectory , ball drop will fix this.
His left foot is very good and thats because the left hand motion is not affected as much by the action fault.
He also needs to stand up a little straighter in the follow through.
I remember having a discussion with Bomber Thompson at one of the AFL coaching clinics that I attended and Bomber told me that 80 % of all the kids that Geelong drafted needed some correction to their kicking actions.
Its not a difficult task but it is a time consuming one, and one that is better implemented with the players being worked on every day in a professional environment , hence the reason its not often addressed at junior levels.
WC had to spend quite some time correcting Ben Cousins kicking style as it was initially very hunched and prevented ben getting maximum distance out of his kicking action, once he mastered this his kicks went further and flatter.

Clark is a one touch player and I haven't seen to many player as good below their knees at pace than him, the kids got massive hands.
Indeed he will benefit from by some serious time commitment to the weight room, remember one of the knocks on Fyfe was his skinny stature.
Once Clark build some muscle mass he is going to be scary prospect for oppositions to contain.
His marking is a bonus, its the run and carry and acceleration away from the pack once his gets the contested clearance that excites me.
His ability to distribute the ball out of congestion both hands is also a feature of his game.
He has some points of difference to his skill set that are not all that common.

 

[Obeanie1]

Hi guys,

Trade proposal for you blokes.

Any consideration to do what you guys did with Collingwood with us, but in reverse?

Freo out pick 5 and 41
Eagles out pick 10, 28 and 46

This is based on us finishing 14th and you guys 8th.

Reasons - Firstly, we need a 2nd rounder to possibly land McGovern + we may seek a WA boy with a later first rounder like Naughton or Allen (hopefully they fall to 10, but one of them would be available)

+ves for you guys? Obviously pick up a top 5 mid... that's about it.

Any merit? Or do you think the difference between 5 and 10 isn't significant enough to warrant essentially losing a 2nd rounder.

Will be interesting what Freo get for Balic, could be used in a McGovern deal.

Balic plus 5 to Richmond may get the 2 first rounders they have ATM.

 

[avishka5]

How many more kgs until official Bull™ status?

Know what your getting at but I don't consider him to be a bull type player. More of Pendlebury/ bont type.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Not worried ,long term, at all about his kicking as the biomechanics of whats wrong with his action is easily correctable (TBH I am surprised that it hasn't, in part, been addressed , by now ).
His left arm needs to be extended more to a 180 degree angle as its cramping the actions fluidity, he also has a slight flaw in the ball drop that can be addressed. He also needs to kick through the ball with more force when he passes short, as at the moment he under kicks the pass to overcompensate for a flatter trajectory , ball drop will fix this.
His left foot is very good and thats because the left hand motion is not affected as much by the action fault.
He also needs to stand up a little straighter in the follow through.
I remember having a discussion with Bomber Thompson at one of the AFL coaching clinics that I attended and Bomber told me that 80 % of all the kids that Geelong drafted needed some correction to their kicking actions.
Its not a difficult task but it is a time consuming one, and one that is better implemented with the players being worked on every day in a professional environment , hence the reason its not often addressed at junior levels.
WC had to spend quite some time correcting Ben Cousins kicking style as it was initially very hunched and prevented ben getting maximum distance out of his kicking action, once he mastered this his kicks went further and flatter.

Clark is a one touch player and I haven't seen to many player as good below their knees at pace than him, the kids got massive hands.
Indeed he will benefit from by some serious time commitment to the weight room, remember one of the knocks on Fyfe was his skinny stature.
Once Clark build some muscle mass he is going to be scary prospect for oppositions to contain.
His marking is a bonus, its the run and carry and acceleration away from the pack once his gets the contested clearance that excites me.
His ability to distribute the ball out of congestion both hand is also a feature of his game.
He has some points of difference to his skill set that are not all that common.

Thanks for the reply. Very high quality posting. I would out of my depth if I tried to argue any of that.

Certainly agree on the point of difference. I think I often mess up comparing juniors to AFL players that they look like or move like, rather than who they seem to play like, but I think Hunter Clark has some Ryan Griffen about him... Although it could just be the hair

 

[avishka5]

Imo do we really need to replace priddis with another extractor type? It's one role I don't rate as highly unless you have a Fyfe/Cripps/danger type. I'd rather we have a b grade mid doing that job and have better balanced mids around them. It makes the team less reliant on one player to do most of the heavy lifting.

 

[Obeanie1]

Not worried ,long term, at all about his kicking as the biomechanics of whats wrong with his action is easily correctable (TBH I am surprised that it hasn't, in part, been addressed , by now ).
His left arm needs to be extended more to a 180 degree angle as its cramping the actions fluidity, he also has a slight flaw in the ball drop that can be addressed. He also needs to kick through the ball with more force when he passes short, as at the moment he under kicks the pass to overcompensate for a flatter trajectory , ball drop will fix this.
His left foot is very good and thats because the left hand motion is not affected as much by the action fault.
He also needs to stand up a little straighter in the follow through.
I remember having a discussion with Bomber Thompson at one of the AFL coaching clinics that I attended and Bomber told me that 80 % of all the kids that Geelong drafted needed some correction to their kicking actions.
Its not a difficult task but it is a time consuming one, and one that is better implemented with the players being worked on every day in a professional environment , hence the reason its not often addressed at junior levels.
WC had to spend quite some time correcting Ben Cousins kicking style as it was initially very hunched and prevented ben getting maximum distance out of his kicking action, once he mastered this his kicks went further and flatter.

Clark is a one touch player and I haven't seen to many player as good below their knees at pace than him, the kids got massive hands.
Indeed he will benefit from by some serious time commitment to the weight room, remember one of the knocks on Fyfe was his skinny stature.
Once Clark build some muscle mass he is going to be scary prospect for oppositions to contain.
His marking is a bonus, its the run and carry and acceleration away from the pack once his gets the contested clearance that excites me.
His ability to distribute the ball out of congestion both hand is also a feature of his game.
He has some points of difference to his skill set that are not all that common.

Been backing Hunter at our 1st pick foa a while. Reads like the exact midfield type we need? Pace, decent skills and an unsociable type. Not interested in soft outside mids with skills and pace we need to harden up and that starts with the recruiting team.

 

[Cobbler]

Will be interesting what Freo get for Balic, could be used in a McGovern deal.

Balic plus 5 to Richmond may get the 2 first rounders they have ATM.

Richmond don't have a second rounder, so I guess it depends on their priorities.

At current pick 15 and 17 it values Balic at pick 51. Again Balic isn't really the main piece of this puzzle, more about if they want to go a top 5 talent to have an immediate impact on their flag window.

One of those deals were both teams could benefit, but both teams may not want to do it... so probably fair!

For Freo? Would probably allow us to get McGovern, although I'd personally hate to use say pick 17 on him.

Would also give us pick 15 in the draft.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Matt Tabener is out of contract.
Given the right tutelage (who better than Kennedy) I actually think he could be a good player.

No one will actually replace Kennedy however as he's a generational player.

No.

 

[Jandamarra]

Imo do we really need to replace priddis with another extractor type? It's one role I don't rate as highly unless you have a Fyfe/Cripps/danger type. I'd rather we have a b grade mid doing that job and have better balanced mids around them. It makes the team less reliant on one player to do most of the heavy lifting.

Contested ball winners absolutely essential imo. Modern game won and lost in this area.

 

[Godfather32]

If people rated priddis A - grade, then there's no doubt sheed can be an a-grader. Sheeds got a more balanced game, has close to elite skills on both sides of his body, has better vision and hits the scoreboard. That makes him a much more dangerous player than priddis. He'd be an A-grader if he can turn him self into a high possession accumulator.

I didn't rate Priddis A-grade. He had some A-grade features to his came but when you combine that with his liabilities it drops him down to a B-grade imo

 

[avishka5]

Contested ball winners absolutely essential imo. Modern game won and lost in this area.

Agree on that. But I'd like to more Shuey type that are not elite contested wise but still very strong in that area and have more to their game. Versatility is key to modern footy. Imo you can only carry two limited mids. One pure contested mid and one pure wingmen. The rest of the mids have to be either inside mids with an outside game and outside mids that can win their own ball when they need to. Gws, Hawks(few years ago), Geelong, dogs(last year), and even Adelaide all have a balanced midfield.

 

[Jandamarra]

Agree on that. But I'd like to more Shuey type that are not elite contested wise but still very strong in that area and have more to their game. Versatility is key to modern footy. Imo you can only carry two limited mids. One pure contested mid and one pure wingmen. The rest of the mids have to be either inside mids with an outside game and outside mids that can win their own ball when they need to. Gws, Hawks(few years ago), Geelong, dogs(last year), and even Adelaide all have a balanced midfield.

Ideally you want all your players to be versatile, and to have a broad range of tools at their disposal.

But ceteris paribus a team of hard campaigners beats a team of soft campaigners any day

 

[Monocle]

Imo do we really need to replace priddis with another extractor type? It's one role I don't rate as highly unless you have a Fyfe/Cripps/danger type. I'd rather we have a b grade mid doing that job and have better balanced mids around them. It makes the team less reliant on one player to do most of the heavy lifting.

Vishy we need all of the above.

 

[Monocle]

Ideally you want all your players to be versatile, and to have a broad range of tools at their disposal.

But ceteris paribus a team of hard campaigners beats a team of soft campaigners any day

Jandamarra be careful with the use of "Latin" otherwise you will lose 75% of the boards following.

 

[Godfather32]

Ideally you want all your players to be versatile, and to have a broad range of tools at their disposal.

But ceteris paribus a team of hard campaigners beats a team of soft campaigners any day

That's the point though, if everyone has versatile inside/out mids and we stick with one trick ponies then all things aren't equal are they?

 

[Jandamarra]

That's the point though, if everyone has versatile inside/out mids and we stick with one trick ponies then all things aren't equal are they?

All i am saying is that if it's a zero sum game, i'd rather more contested ability over more outside run.

 

[Godfather32]

All i am saying is that if it's a zero sum game, i'd rather more contested ability over more outside run.

Agree with that

 

[Abed]

What would be considered an equal player trade if Masten went to the Bombers? Colyer?

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[the harry]

What would be considered an equal player trade if Masten went to the Bombers? Colyer?

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I suspect we'll just want picks

 

[avishka5]

All i am saying is that if it's a zero sum game, i'd rather more contested ability over more outside run.

You need to have both. No point having a midfield of jpk's and only one Jetta type. Midfield full of hanneberry's and a jetta on the other hand would be much more competitive.

Going to your earlier post about hard campaigners beating soft campaigners, I 100% agree on that but that's more about team mentality and attitude as well. Look at the Hawks in their hay day. Not many contested bull's but all those ****ers had attitude and a never die attitude.

 

[avishka5]

Vishy we need all of the above.

Im actually alarmed by the lack of half back flankers we have monocle.