2017 trade/draft thread

[WCE_phil]

I was big on Hall last year and even before that. I wouldnt give up a top 10 pick for him however pick 10 and 30 odd for hall, 23 and 25 (draft points are ******ed and a waste of time so i don't want to hear it) would get me very interested. Or pick 10 and 30 for hall + swallow would make me very happy.

 

[paran]

Agree to some degree but 15 other teams were operating under similar constraints with the compromised drafts and the only other team that's even close to us in playing young draftees is Hawthorn and they have premierships to show for it

I agree, however I don't think that's a recruiting issue though. Lamb and Rioli, for example, have had patches that would have allowed for selection. We seem to insist on playing injured guys - Lecras, Shuey, just to name 2. That's on the MC, not on recruiters. Further, holding onto guys like Colledge, Tunbridge or McGinnity too long prevents list turnover and using more picks. Since the GF we've doubled down on picking up vets over youth - Redden, Jetta, Mitchell, Petrie, Vardy, Giles. Is that O'Brien's responsibility?

 

[omarlittle1]

Spoke to someone who used to be intimately involved in the club a few years ago and is now just passively involved. I asked him what the hell was going on at the Eagles, especially in regards to recruitment and development specifically. His reply was that he thinks that; "There are far too many mates of mates in jobs they probably shouldn't have".
Pretty much confirmed what many have been saying on this board for years.

 

[bradee]

Interesting article on afl.com.au saying we are quietly confident in picking up Mitch McGovern. Maybe we are a chance after all.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

I was big on Hall last year and even before that. I wouldnt give up a top 10 pick for him however pick 10 and 30 odd for hall, 23 and 25 (draft points are ******ed and a waste of time so i don't want to hear it) would get me very interested. Or pick 10 and 30 for hall + swallow would make me very happy.

How about
future 1st + masten for Hall +22+24

leave us with 9 22 24 28

9 + 28 for Hopper + 21 gives hopper a value of about pick 12 leaves us with
21 , 22, 24

Or 24 +28 for Hopper leaves us with pick 9 , 22

Zaharakis as a free agent

Hopper hall zaharakis ,(21 ,22 , 24 ) or (9,22)

 

[Chris_6678]

Interesting article on afl.com.au saying we are quietly confident in picking up Mitch McGovern. Maybe we are a chance after all.

Yeah have read that from a few different articles. His hype has died down after his 10 possession 1 goal effort on the weekend , and if any club Freo or WCE are going to give him 700-800k a year ... then Gov better be asking for 1.2mill! Gov Jnr isn't as good as some people are saying.

 

[ziad]

Spoke to someone who used to be intimately involved in the club a few years ago and is now just passively involved. I asked him what the hell was going on at the Eagles, especially in regards to recruitment and development specifically. His reply was that he thinks that; "There are far too many mates of mates in jobs they probably shouldn't have".
Pretty much confirmed what many have been saying on this board for years.

This has been pretty well known for many years

 

[Obeanie1]

No,swans father son.apparently the swans agreed to let him go if a Melbourne club bid on him.so yes he was never coming to us

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Except in the mock draft remember

 

[Obeanie1]

I was big on Hall last year and even before that. I wouldnt give up a top 10 pick for him however pick 10 and 30 odd for hall, 23 and 25 (draft points are ******ed and a waste of time so i don't want to hear it) would get me very interested. Or pick 10 and 30 for hall + swallow would make me very happy.

Gold Coast need mature players in their mid - 20s and will be prepared to trade their 4 second round picks to get them.

If somehow Masten landed one of those this board would melt in celebration.

 

[dajesmac]

I was big on Hall last year and even before that. I wouldnt give up a top 10 pick for him however pick 10 and 30 odd for hall, 23 and 25 (draft points are ******ed and a waste of time so i don't want to hear it) would get me very interested. Or pick 10 and 30 for hall + swallow would make me very happy.

Think 23, 25 and Hall for 10 and 30 is asking a lot.

Doubt we would get both of those picks, we'd almost be getting Hall for free.

 

[Obeanie1]

Spoke to someone who used to be intimately involved in the club a few years ago and is now just passively involved. I asked him what the hell was going on at the Eagles, especially in regards to recruitment and development specifically. His reply was that he thinks that; "There are far too many mates of mates in jobs they probably shouldn't have".
Pretty much confirmed what many have been saying on this board for years.

Totally not surprised to hear this.

 

[Obeanie1]

How about
future 1st + masten for Hall +22+24

leave us with 9 22 24 28

9 + 28 for Hopper + 21 gives hopper a value of about pick 12 leaves us with
21 , 22, 24

Or 24 +28 for Hopper leaves us with pick 9 , 22

Zaharakis as a free agent

Hopper hall zaharakis ,(21 ,22 , 24 ) or (9,22)

BINGO.........

Sorry there were so many pick numbers in that trade scenario thought I was at the bingo game down the bowls club.

 

[hudson2006]

How about
future 1st + masten for Hall +22+24

leave us with 9 22 24 28

9 + 28 for Hopper + 21 gives hopper a value of about pick 12 leaves us with
21 , 22, 24

Or 24 +28 for Hopper leaves us with pick 9 , 22

Zaharakis as a free agent

Hopper hall zaharakis ,(21 ,22 , 24 ) or (9,22)

I don't think trading a future first rounder is a good idea unless its a last resort to get a major player deal done - Hall would be handy but not of major importance.

We need hard ball gets first and foremost - an elite inside mid. If we can't secure that by trade, we need to keep our high picks for the draft.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

I don't think trading a future first rounder is a good idea unless its a last resort to get a major player deal done - Hall would be handy but not of major importance.

We need hard ball gets first and foremost - an elite inside mid. If we can't secure that by trade, we need to keep our high picks for the draft.

it's about getting Gold Coast interested they lose hall and 2 early 2nd rounders . For masten and future 1st which is the carrot

What hall would add is what we are lacking . A winger with pace and endurance

 

[Ok Boomer]

Aaron Hall is the last player i'd be going after if we're looking to get stronger around the contest.

Legit seagull.

I wouldn't be keen at throwing a first rounder at him, at least without other swaps involved, but I think that element of his game would improve at a different club. Whether we are a club that can unlock that from him at the moment is questionable though. He does have some quality about him though, and the thing is, his improvement over the years at the Suns from the start until his break out period a year or so ago was quite impressive.

 

[2006_Eagles]

Birchall eh

 

[Godfather32]

I agree, however I don't think that's a recruiting issue though. Lamb and Rioli, for example, have had patches that would have allowed for selection. We seem to insist on playing injured guys - Lecras, Shuey, just to name 2. That's on the MC, not on recruiters. Further, holding onto guys like Colledge, Tunbridge or McGinnity too long prevents list turnover and using more picks. Since the GF we've doubled down on picking up vets over youth - Redden, Jetta, Mitchell, Petrie, Vardy, Giles. Is that O'Brien's responsibility?

I would have thought the national recruitment manager would be heavily involved in the decision to recruit and the process of recruiting all of these older guys. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but his role as far as I know is to help decide on who to trade for and free agent targets as well as the drafting side of things - http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2017-07-19/meet-freos-talent-spotters.
I normally agree with most of your opinions but I just can't here, O'Brien has done a horrible job since 2011 both of drafting and trading for players and his use of the rookie list is beyond horrible.
Since he took over this is the list of players he's traded for:

Josh Hill (been ok)
Cripps (been ok)
Morton (dud)
Wellingham (1 good season otherwise dud)
Yeo (Great trade)
Giles (dud)
Jetta (largely been a dud)
Redden (may turn out ok)
Mitchell (no brainer but ultimately hasn't helped us at all)
Vardy (good depth)

And these are the players he's brought on to the rookie list from other teams:
Brad Dick (dud)
Tunbridge (dud)
Bennell (dud)
Lucas (dud)
Petrie (has been good depth)

In that time we have redrafted these guys on to the rookie list:
McInnes (dud)
Colledge (dud)
Waterman
Tunbridge (dud)
Newman (dud)

And these are the decent players he's drafted (jury obviously still out on the later picks):
Hutchings (Fringe best 22)
Sheed (best 22)
Barrass (best 22)
Karpany (fringe best 22)
Duggan (best 22)
Nelson (fringe best 22)
Cole (fringe best 22)
Partington (fringe best 22)

To me that's a terrible job, he's barely brought in any truly decent players and a lot of the half decent ones he's brought in have or will end up being in and out of the side or depth. To me he's done one of the worst jobs of recruiting in the league and the result is what we're looking at now, an aging, mediocre list full of flankers. The development of our players is a whole other issue, and I do realise that we are absolutely terrible at giving our young guys games and developing them, but our recruitment has not helped at all.

 

[Godfather32]

Birchall eh

F*** me, what an absolute joke

 

[lewigie]

Butler retiring.

 

[kane249]

That guy is basically a troll.

Naitawhoey / Embers jr?

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

F*** me, what an absolute joke

birchell will be 30 in January . Unless it's a salary dump like mitchell for pick 88 then it's bullshit .
You don't pay 2nd rounder for a 30 year old injury prone Hbf who hadn't played his best football for 2 years

 

[avishka5]

F*** me, what an absolute joke

Surely a pisstake.
Unless our coaches are delusional and believe that we are a contender next season; there's no sense in drafting a 30 year old.

 

[Godfather32]

birchell will be 30 in January . Unless it's a salary dump like mitchell for pick 88 then it's bullshit .
You don't pay 2nd rounder for a 30 year old injury prone Hbf who hadn't played his best football for 2 years

Surely a pisstake.
Unless our coaches are delusional and believe that we are a contender next season; there's no sense in drafting a 30 year old.

If this happens I think it just proves that we've learned absolutely nothing from the last couple of years and we as fans are going to have to settle in for a long period of mediocrity where we hover around the 7-12 spot on the ladder, never really being good enough to compete for a flag.

 

[hudson2006]

it's about getting Gold Coast interested they lose hall and 2 early 2nd rounders . For masten and future 1st which is the carrot

What hall would add is what we are lacking . A winger with pace and endurance

We don't need a seagull like Hall for a first rounder when we already have Gaff & Jetta. What we really need is a quality ballwinner to replace Shuey on the coalface so that he can play more of a dangerous outside role.

Hall would be an upgrade on Masten but is not worth a first.

 

[WCErevival]

It really doesnt make sense so I call BS. HBF is the one area we have plenty of and he will be 30. The club has said it will go with a more youth focus.