2017 trade/draft thread

[frenchconnection]

Their first pick for starters

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That doesn't guarantee success though.

 

[Altum Volantes]

I know this potentially is going to create some heated responses but here goes.

Watching last night and even other games I wonder if one of our biggest strengths has been exploited by opposition coaches to expose and take advantage of our biggest weakness?

What I mean is we have several exceptional intercept marking defenders in McGovern, Barras, Hurn and Sheppard that now opposition teams have learned to run the ball through the middle, lower their eyes and not kick long forward. This has then exploited our biggest weakness being our midfield and lack of pace.

So what do we do about that from a list perspective?

Would say trading McGov to Freo in the long run balance our list better?

 

[Obeanie1]

What would you want back from Freo if we traded McGovern? Neale? Don't want, nor would we get Fyfe. What midfielders do they have that we would want for Gov?

Assuming Mitch is looking elsewhere is losing him the end of the world?

Pick 5 + Griffen Lougue I would do.

Lougue + Barrass covers the backline for the next 10 years, Lougue can also play forward.

We use picks 5 + 10 or 11 on quality mids, our 2nd gets us another mid / HFFer or if a quality ruck slides it's time to get another 200cm + project ruck.

Grab Rockliff to fill a gap on the inside for the next 3 years.

So next season we would have 3 quality mids being introduced, Venables, pick 5 and pick 10 plus Rockliff. That's 4 new mids that have contributed nothing this season

If we need to use future picks for the first time we do it.

 

[Godfather32]

Assuming Mitch is looking elsewhere is losing him the end of the world?

Pick 5 + Griffen Lougue I would do.

Lougue + Barrass covers the backline for the next 10 years, Lougue can also play forward.

We use picks 5 + 10 or 11 on quality mids, our 2nd gets us another mid / HFFer or if a quality ruck slides it's time to get another 200cm + project ruck.

Grab Rockliff to fill a gap on the inside for the next 3 years.

So next season we would have 3 quality mids being introduced, Venables, pick 5 and pick 10 plus Rockliff. That's 4 new mids that have contributed nothing this season

If we need to use future picks for the first time we do it.

Why the f*** would you want Logue back?

 

[kranky al]

Lukas Webb is on the outer at the dogs??

21 yo - anyone know much about him?

 

[Obeanie1]

What a ridiculous thing to say! There are certain players the Club would not trade and Gov is one of them. Next you will be saying trade JK!

Do we have an adequate player to cover JK being traded?

No we don't. We have Barrass to cover Gov plus Emac for a couple of years + Rotham developing. A trade to Freo I would ask for Lougue who is another option / swingman.

The one area we have covered is tall backs.

The midfield we all know we do not.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Lukas Webb is on the outer at the dogs??

21 yo - anyone know much about him?

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/119669/Lukas-WEBB

Sounds like he racks up the contested touches in the reserves but plays forward in the seniors. Might be a bit of a meh kick like Partington.

 

[Breezly66]

Love to get Jack Martin, has been great in the last month

 

[dinnaz]

Trade some star power in, draft everything else.

 

[new breed]

Players that Rawlings might have links to in Cunnington or Ziebell would be real good targets pity both have signed three and four year deals recently so need to be okay with Mountford at a lot cheaper price who must be a chance for either WA team .

 

[Biggie]

Sooo

What type will available around pick 9?

 

[Obeanie1]

Players that Rawlings might have links to in Cunnington or Ziebell would be real good targets pity both have signed three and four year deals recently so need to be okay with Mountford at a lot cheaper price who must be a chance for either WA team .

You forgot Lindsay Thomas.........28yrs old................that small forward we never had?

 

[kranky al]

Sooo

What type will available around pick 9?

A promising young mid who will end up as an excellent hbf

 

[Falco]

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/119669/Lukas-WEBB

Sounds like he racks up the contested touches in the reserves but plays forward in the seniors. Might be a bit of a meh kick like Partington.

If we got him cheap he would be good. Has done good things when given an opportunity and isnt afraid of contested footy.

 

[Biggie]

A promising young mid who will end up as an excellent hbf

Can't wait

 

[WCE_phil]

I still think something our club greatly ****s up is that the basic principle of list management is you should take any opportunity available to either improve or develop your list.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

I still think something our club greatly ****s up is that the basic principle of list management is you should take any opportunity available to either improve or develop your list.

Our giving in at the trade table so easly and not pushing hard for better trade outcomes .
Wellingham pick 18 and redden 17 come to mind .

 

[InsideD8]

What about jack Trengove RFA this year. Can't recall if he was just another outside mid but if his body ever holds up could be another cheap fixeruper. Seems to be forgotten about. Thoughts?

 

[QS]

You forgot Lindsay Thomas.........28yrs old................that small forward we never had?

You tempted fate..

 

[tigger_ferret]

I still think something our club greatly ****s up is that the basic principle of list management is you should take any opportunity available to either improve or develop your list.

I think the 2 quite often work in seperate directions and aren't always clear cut, otherwise it would be easy and every club would have great list management.

For me it is more important to be able to assess the strengths and weaknesses of a list and respond accordingly. It is also incredibly fluid and can change very quickly, particularly with injuries. End of 2015 surplus Ruck/Forward trade for a midfielder we hoped to have same pace and polish on the outside. End 2016 required to bring in delisted grandpa and injury prone ruck/forward no one else wanted to cover our previous area of surplus.

 

[FKASC]

What about jack Trengove RFA this year. Can't recall if he was just another outside mid but if his body ever holds up could be another cheap fixeruper. Seems to be forgotten about. Thoughts?

B- grade at best now, and that's if his body holds up. Would just be another list clogger. Lost all of his footspeed through injuries and struggles to impact the game as a result. Was great at u/18 level

 

[WCE_phil]

B- grade at best now, and that's if his body holds up. Would just be another list clogger. Lost all of his footspeed through injuries and struggles to impact the game as a result. Was great at u/18 level

He was never quick but now would likely lose a race with priddis. Lost kicking depth, agility, speed and power. Completely ruined by injury.

 

[bzparkes]

You tempted fate..
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Go to bed.

 

[Figure09]

No Hayden F NO!

 

[dajesmac]

Sooo

What type will available around pick 9?

Still have that lingering suspicion we will flick our pick 9 for two of the GC's picks in the 20s, using one for McGovern (or using it ourselves to fill our list spots).

Regardless, I've kept a rolling phantom draft of my own just to try and get a feel for who I'd expect to be available for our pick 9 (even though it's so early).

I think we can safely rule out Rayner, Luke Davies-Uniacke and probably Adam Cerra. Then (although to a lesser extent) I'd expect Paddy Dow and Jarrod Brander to be off the board by the time our pick rolls around. At this early juncture, I'd expect a few of the following group to be in our range:

Nick Coffield (190cm HBF/MID - Classy but no guarantees to be a mid)
Jack Higgins (178cm FWD/MID - See above, competitive player but height may be a concern)
Joel Garner (184cm MID/DEF - Skilfull mid/def that has bolted up the rankings lately)
Jaidyn Stephenson (189cm FWD/WING - Explosive, tall wingman, question mark is consistency)
Darcy Fogarty (191cm KPF/MID - Competent big bodied mid at U18 level but will he be another Jack Darling at the next level?)
Lochie O'Brien (184cm MID - Outside mid with elite kick that lacks contested game)