2017 trade/draft thread

[Godfather32]

Haha I was being flippant. I agree with you, that table is damning.

We're in absolutely no danger of going too far the other way, despite what they might say on Eagle Eye TV.

Haha sorry, didn't pick up on it.
It's going to an interesting off season, the way it's looking there's going to be quite a few young guys thrown in the deep end next year.

 

[RookiePick]

From last week here are the amount of under 25 year olds that each team played:

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Something is very wrong with our drafting/development/team selections

Duggan, Partington, Yeo, Barrass and Sheed.

Damning stuff.

 

[bl4ke]

From last week here are the amount of under 25 year olds that each team played:

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Something is very wrong with our drafting/development/team selections

Deary me, 25 isn't even young either! Usually supposed to be entering you prime at that age. Tatters

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Duggan, Partington, Yeo, Barrass and Sheed.

Damning stuff.

I started to type out a reply about how there wasn't a lot of youth at East Perth last week with Cole and Karpany unavailable, but in looking at it there was a bit to choose from.

Nelson, Mutimer, Lamb and Watson were all some chance of selection. Rioli and maybe Waterman also a chance although you can understand the MC being cautious with both those guys.

 

[WCErevival]

Also its all good and well to be playing youth but if they are no good you are no better off. Freo is a good example. Half of the young guys they are playing are very average.

 

[Chris_6678]

Simpson has said on many occasions this year the team will look different next year so i guess we will find out! I would like to see one of Rioli & Waterman ( who ever can run a game out of those two) get a game v the Crows.

 

[Godfather32]

Also its all good and well to be playing youth but if they are no good you are no better off. Freo is a good example. Half of the young guys they are playing are very average.

So if we won't have any good young guys to play is that not a damning indictment on our drafting & development?
Also I don't believe that we don't have any good young guys to play, just about all of the ones who've been mentioned in the last couple of pages have shown something. No they're not going be to stars right out of the gate, but I think they've shown enough to give them more game time than they've had. Every other team seems to understand this, puts up with a bit of short term pain and plays the young guys anyway to help build the side for the future.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Deary me, 25 isn't even young either! Usually supposed to be entering you prime at that age. Tatters

We did have eight guys who were either 25 or 26 in the lineup.

 

[RookiePick]

Also its all good and well to be playing youth but if they are no good you are no better off. Freo is a good example. Half of the young guys they are playing are very average.

No better off in terms of results. The benefit is you get to see them in the AFL environment and you can get on with making decisions about whether you stay the distance with any of them or not.

That is the core of the rebuilding approach - churn the list hard, identify players that can fill roles in the game plan to the required level, get some draft picks to acquire some top end talent. On field results take a back seat to reconstructing the playing list to have another crack. Unless you have academy concessions etc which lets you pick up top end talent with middling draft picks. *coughswanniescough*

 

[Feeling Groovy]

You would think that on top of Duggan, Partington, Yeo, Barrass and Sheed playing most games next year, Nelson, Cole, Rioli and Venables would be playing most of next year (injuries permitting). Waterman, Watson and Mutimer also getting games.

All of that said and whilst his form was average, I really don't see why they dropped Nelson last week. Get the games into him. Same goes for this week. We need some games in these guys sooner, rather than later.

 

[Godfather32]

We did have eight guys who were either 25 or 26 in the lineup.

That's kind of my point though, it's a combination of match selection, drafting and development. Something has been off since 2011 as far as the drafting side of things go, we've got plenty of good players in the best 22 who were drafted prior to that and every other side besides us has managed to add plenty of players to their best 22 from that 2011 draft and beyond.

 

[WCErevival]

So if we won't have any good young guys to play is that not a damning indictment on our drafting & development?
Also I don't believe that we don't have any good young guys to play, just about all of the ones who've been mentioned in the last couple of pages have shown something. No they're not going be to stars right out of the gate, but I think they've shown enough to give them more game time than they've had. Every other team seems to understand this, puts up with a bit of short term pain and plays the young guys anyway to help build the side for the future.

Almost all teams are in a different phase of their "window". We have just reached the end of ours. Its already been said we will concentrate on youth now. Injuries to our key draftees haven't helped either which people always seem to look past.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

That's kind of my point though, it's a combination of match selection, drafting and development. Something has been off since 2011 as far as the drafting side of things go, we've got plenty of good players in the best 22 who were drafted prior to that and every other side besides us has managed to add plenty of players to their best 22 from that 2011 draft and beyond.

We have had a bit of bad luck there too with Cavka and Waterman who you would think, injuries and health allowing, would be in the team now. Doesn't take away from your point though.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Is Partington a midfielder? The coaches don't seem to think so.
But if we are talking midfielders Gaff's disposal has been horrible for 2 years now and Masten (apart from the odd kick into 50) is pretty bad.

Yes Partington is a midfielder but with Mitchell and Priddis in the team, he was played more as a half forward. The space will be open for him in 2018 to be more midfield - where he was playing for East Perth.

 

[Godfather32]

We have had a bit of bad luck there too with Cavka and Waterman who you would think, injuries and health allowing, would be in the team now. Doesn't take away from your point though.

Cavka wasn't luck, we knew he was injured and took the risk, it backfired. We can point to injuries and lack of early draft picks but it doesn't tell the whole story imo. For instance a big part of our problem is that since 2011 every other team has managed to add valuable best 22 players off the rookie list except for us, because we use it as a graveyard for recycled players and our own failed selections. We took Callum Sinclair in the 2012 rookie draft and he's literally our only selection in the last 6 rookie drafts that was a new AFL player and got a game for us.

 

[Godfather32]

Yes Partington is a midfielder but with Mitchell and Priddis in the team, he was played more as a half forward. The space will be open for him in 2018 to be more midfield - where he was playing for East Perth.

That was my point, he's a midfielder who is being played out of position, which is par for the course for us developing young players. It doesn't work imo.

 

[lewigie]

Probably goes to show how terrible our recruitment and development has been, that there are no players in the 23-25 age bracket playing well for us. We've known this for a few years that it's been the older guys and then the very young group holding us up with a big gap between

 

[Feeling Groovy]

Cavka wasn't luck, we knew he was injured and took the risk, it backfired. We can point to injuries and lack of early draft picks but it doesn't tell the whole story imo. For instance a big part of our problem is that since 2011 every other team has managed to add valuable best 22 players off the rookie list except for us, because we use it as a graveyard for recycled players and our own failed selections. We took Callum Sinclair in the 2012 rookie draft and he's literally our only selection in the last 6 rookie drafts that was a new AFL player and got a game for us.

Oh, I 100% agree our use of the rookie list has been deplorable lately and take the point re Cavka but still, it is two players we punted on that didn't work out and who had the skills. It sucks either way.

 

[Godfather32]

Almost all teams are in a different phase of their "window". We have just reached the end of ours. Its already been said we will concentrate on youth now. Injuries to our key draftees haven't helped either which people always seem to look past.

Look at the list, every other team in the league is playing more young players than us and we haven't been a top-tier team for the last 2 seasons. I don't care what phase of our "window" we are in, the way we have drafted and developed our young players in the last few years is absolutely and unquestionably poor.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I think that for quite a long time we have had an over-cautious approach to determining if young players are ready for AFL or not. We also usually favour players with more AFL experience, this includes both established and fringe players. We are too worried about going in with too many inexperienced players, so we have often become comfortable with selecting the same players every week. Maybe if we gave opportunities to more younger players earlier on, they could've developed quicker than they have. That being said, this year we've seemed more willing to drop certain established players based on form, although some others still seem to be untouchable, but who knows, maybe things are slowly changing going forward.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

From last week here are the amount of under 25 year olds that each team played:

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Something is very wrong with our drafting/development/team selections

So if we extrapolate that to next year, we have 21 players currently on the list and I put together a rough look at our team.

Note to be included, you had to be under 26 before the end of December 2018 (ie Darling and his cohort are gone meaning this is 100% attributable to Vozzzzzo. (Extra zeds on purpose as I believe he has been asleep on the job).



Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a problem because the above team looks very light on.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a problem because the above team looks very light on.

May give our current team a run for its money

 

[Godfather32]

So if we extrapolate that to next year, we have 21 players currently on the list and I put together a rough look at our team.

Note to be included, you had to be under 26 before the end of December 2018 (ie Darling and his cohort are gone meaning this is 100% attributable to Vozzzzzo. (Extra zeds on purpose as I believe he has been asleep on the job).

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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a problem because the above team looks very light on.

And considering our midfield has been the problem for the last 6 years or so that midfield looks really bad

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

So if we extrapolate that to next year, we have 21 players currently on the list and I put together a rough look at our team.

Note to be included, you had to be under 26 before the end of December 2018 (ie Darling and his cohort are gone meaning this is 100% attributable to Vozzzzzo. (Extra zeds on purpose as I believe he has been asleep on the job).

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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a problem because the above team looks very light on.

A lot of uncertainty with that list, a few promising players that have yet to debut (e.g. Rioli, Venables, Watson, Waterman), but the jury's still out. Others like Allen and Snadden have shown some good signs as well. We'll just have to see how well they develop next season.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

That's kind of my point though, it's a combination of match selection, drafting and development. Something has been off since 2011 as far as the drafting side of things go, we've got plenty of good players in the best 22 who were drafted prior to that and every other side besides us has managed to add plenty of players to their best 22 from that 2011 draft and beyond.

I remember after we won the wooden spoon then made the preliminary the next year our recruiting department said we were doing a 2 phase rebuild . One premiership window whilst cox / Kerr / embley / lynch were around and the second rebuild for a window 2015 - 2018 .

It looks like we got greedy and didn't get the most out of either .

Our trade / draft in 2011-12 were particularly shit that is why we lack under 25s