2017 trade/draft thread

[ArdentEagle]

Breman was a #2 was tradable to richmond. mcdougall was tradable as well to the dogs Masten is the most disapointing. So many crappy games . All time caught holding the ball. So so crappy. # 3 what a joke. No one will take him

I don't disagree he was a bad selection and I'm really no Masten fan at all. (My wife and friends will vouch for that)
We'll have to agree to disagree that he's the absolute worse pick though mate... I will agree on a very bad one however.

 

[Godfather32]

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Go back and have a look at last years thread, there were heaps of people who wanted us to rookie Ryan.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

We did, Rotham.

Rotham is 192 cm! He has pace but he is not small.

 

[chaddy22]

We did, Rotham.

No we didn't both Gorter and Rotham about 191cm.Not a small defender.Rotham has played mainly half back against similar size players.We lack a small back pocket player to play aginst Betts,Garlett,etc etc because we always play taller players who might be good in the air but exposed for leg speed.

 

[bl4ke]

Rotham is 192 cm! He has pace but he is not small.

No we didn't Rotham both Gorter and Rotham about 191cm.not a small defender.Rotham has played mainly half back against similar size players.We lack a small back pocket player to play aginst Betts,Garlett,etc etc because we always play taller players who might be good in the air but exposed for leg speed.

I stand corrected, however I still think Gorter over Ryan had no merit to it

 

[Godfather32]

I don't disagree he was a bad selection and I'm really no Masten fan at all. (My wife and friends will vouch for that)
We'll have to agree to disagree that he's the absolute worse pick though mate... I will agree on a very bad one however.

Agree, nowhere near our worst pick. The thing with Masten is that you have to look at what else was available in that draft and there really wasn't anyone else we would have looked at, it was just a shit draft. We wouldn't have gone for Dangerfield and most of the other half decent midfielders we either took or came later in the draft.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I stand corrected, however I still think Gorter over Ryan had no merit to it

Reality - Gorter had no merit to it

 

[Godfather32]

No we didn't Rotham both Gorter and Rotham about 191cm.not a small defender.Rotham has played mainly half back against similar size players.We lack a small back pocket player to play aginst Betts,Garlett,etc etc because we always play taller players who might be good in the air but exposed for leg speed.

So in light of that and given that you seem to have a lot of knowledge of East Perth, what do you think we were thinking when we took Gorter? What do think we saw in him to pick him over guys like Ryan and Banfield etc? (Not having a go, I'm genuinely interested in what he's got that made us take him).

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Masten really has polarised the West Coast faithful.

To say he was the worst pick ever is horseshit. He has not delivered as other top draft picks but please, at the time he was being touted more like Josh Kelly and was a stand out in the U18 carnival. West Coast tried to get the earlier pick from Carlton as we were supposedly keen on Cotchin. We could not get Carlton to budge as Richmond were thought to be wanting Kreuzer if Carlton we were taking Cotchin.

Have a look at the next 4 players and tell me who you think would have been a better pick:-

3 Chris Masten
4 Cale Morton
5 Jarrad Grant
6 David Myers
7 Rhys Palmer​

Reality - it was a bad draft year for the very top end talent. Masten was at the pointy end of most informed pundits list. He just has not developed.

Matt Burgan was seen as the draft guru at the time and this was his write up for his phanton:

 

[tigger_ferret]

I also cant see many ,if any, Clubs trading a 2018 first rounder at trade week, given the talent that will available in next years first round.

My memory isn't great but I get the feeling something similar is said at this time every year, Last year I think it was a great class of KPP, which I'm not sure if still true.

What's your thoughts on clubs and recruiters placing more value on the future than what is actually there???

 

[ziad]

Masten really has polarised the West Coast faithful.

To say he was the worst pick ever is horseshit. He has not delivered as other top draft picks but please, at the time he was being touted more like Josh Kelly and was a stand out in the U18 carnival. West Coast tried to get the earlier pick from Carlton as we were supposedly keen on Cotchin. We could not get Carlton to budge as Richmond were thought to be wanting Kreuzer if Carlton we were taking Cotchin.

Have a look at the next 4 players and tell me who you think would have been a better pick:-

3 Chris Masten
4 Cale Morton
5 Jarrad Grant
6 David Myers
7 Rhys Palmer​

Reality - it was a bad draft year for the very top end talent. Masten was at the pointy end of most informed pundits list. He just has not developed.

Matt Burgan was seen as the draft guru at the time and this was his write up for his phanton:

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bad draft? is that you woodhouse -if it is a bad trade pick 3 for a good player - what amateurs

 

[liam123]

My memory isn't great but I get the feeling something similar is said at this time every year, Last year I think it was a great class of KPP, which I'm not sure if still true.

What's your thoughts on clubs and recruiters placing more value on the future than what is actually there???

Agree with your point. A couple years ago and last year this years drafted was touted as having awesome KPP talent. We were suppose to have fixed the midfield by now and be finding JKs replacement at this draft

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

My memory isn't great but I get the feeling something similar is said at this time every year, Last year I think it was a great class of KPP, which I'm not sure if still true.

What's your thoughts on clubs and recruiters placing more value on the future than what is actually there???

Monocle and I have debated this a few times. It is true that in 2016, the 2017 draft was being touted as a strong draft year and full of talls. Reality, the talls have not jumped up in performance to suggest that it is an exceptional year for talls. Good for KPD but not as good if you need a KPF. The likes of Fogarty, Coleman-Jones, Balta and Hayes were seen as top end last year that have not continued their trajectory. On the other hand, Naughton has surged up the priority list with a great U18 carnival and has made his mark in senior WAFL. Brander is also showing that the hype about him is real and that he will make it.

When I look at the 2017 talent, I do not go with ground swirl that it is weak. I believe it is light on at the really pointy end meaning the top 6 looks weaker than other years. That said, the next 30+ look pretty damn good and there is not much separating them. That is why I would like to get into the 3 early 2nd rounders that the Suns are holding. At the pick 10 level, I believe we have 3 or 4 genuine midfielders that will be possible future A/B+ graders.

In terms of stand outs for 2018, SA had 2 bottom-agers that are gaining momentum in Rankine and Lukosius as really great talent. I still recall the comment from a Christchurch boarding house mum that English in year 11 was so uncoordinated it would have been ludicrous to suggest that he would represent WA, let alone get drafted in the 2nd round.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

bad draft? is that you woodhouse -if it is a bad trade pick 3 for a good player - what amateurs

Did you have a particular view in 2007? I would be interested in hearing your take on the draft in the moment (i.e without the benefit of hindsight) and not a decade after the fact. Do you remember the chaos at the club when Judd left? Tell me what trades you were proposing we do with the pick 3 compo?

 

[Godfather32]

Agree with your point. A couple years ago and last year this years drafted was touted as having awesome KPP talent. We were suppose to have fixed the midfield by now and be finding JKs replacement at this draft

Problem is last year the only mid we actually drafted was an injured low possession flanker who might turn into a mid (assuming we don't play him out of a forward pocket for the next 3 years).

 

[liam123]

Problem is last year the only mid we actually drafted was an injured low possession flanker who might turn into a mid (assuming we don't play him out of a forward pocket for the next 3 years).

My point was more about the caliber of this years draftees. Can't see many KP beasts

 

[Obeanie1]

None of which helps the midfield.

Happy to see Gov elsewhere, we have more pressing issues

Is our 2nd plus steak knives going to fix our midfield? Or provide any impact straight away?

At least Mitch is a proven quantity and quality. Pick 27 could easily end up another Lamb, or Karpany, or Weedon, or Notte. We arent actually very good with our 2nd rounders.

 

[Godfather32]

My point was more about the caliber of this years draftees. Can't see many KP beasts

Sorry, was commenting on your supposed to have fixed the midfield statement.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

bad draft? is that you woodhouse -if it is a bad trade pick 3 for a good player - what amateurs

With the benefit of 10 years of hindsight it was a poor draft, especially at the top end.

At the time pick 3 gave us our pick of highly-rated WA talent in Morton, Masten, Palmer and Myers. Unfortunately none of them have gone on to do much.

 

[Godfather32]

Is our 2nd plus steak knives going to fix our midfield? Or provide any impact straight away?

At least Mitch is a proven quantity and quality. Pick 27 could easily end up another Lamb, or Karpany, or Weedon, or Notte. We arent actually very good with our 2nd rounders.

But we already have one player in the team who should be playing McGovern's natural position and another two in development who project to play the same position. I mean I could justify the money if he was another 5 or 6cm taller but I just don't see it for another 3rd tall type.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

We arent actually very good with our 2nd rounders.

It is rather damning on the club that we have to go back to the 2010 (Darling and Lycett) to have a second round pick who is considered best 22. We have had some decent 3rd rounders (eg Barrass and Nelson) but no 2nd. I still have hope for Cole and Partington but not there yet.

Oh and I consider a second rounder to be a pick starting at 19/20 through to 36/38. Forget the crap they labelled it in the compromise years.

 

[Cuzdup]

Masten looked like gold pre-draft.

Turns out he lacks courage.

 

[boondy]

I don't disagree he was a bad selection and I'm really no Masten fan at all. (My wife and friends will vouch for that)
We'll have to agree to disagree that he's the absolute worse pick though mate... I will agree on a very bad one however.

Fair enough , all those other picks you mention do not stick in my craw. So to me it is the worst considering the amount of games he has played. He is like a 50 cent piece wheel of a (midfield/whatever he is ) that suffers because of him .

 

[boondy]

Masten really has polarised the West Coast faithful.

To say he was the worst pick ever is horseshit. He has not delivered as other top draft picks but please, at the time he was being touted more like Josh Kelly and was a stand out in the U18 carnival. West Coast tried to get the earlier pick from Carlton as we were supposedly keen on Cotchin. We could not get Carlton to budge as Richmond were thought to be wanting Kreuzer if Carlton we were taking Cotchin.

Have a look at the next 4 players and tell me who you think would have been a better pick:-

3 Chris Masten
4 Cale Morton
5 Jarrad Grant
6 David Myers
7 Rhys Palmer​

Reality - it was a bad draft year for the very top end talent. Masten was at the pointy end of most informed pundits list. He just has not developed.

Matt Burgan was seen as the draft guru at the time and this was his write up for his phanton:

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Myers and Palmer.

 

[ziad]

Did you have a particular view in 2007? I would be interested in hearing your take on the draft in the moment (i.e without the benefit of hindsight) and not a decade after the fact. Do you remember the chaos at the club when Judd left? Tell me what trades you were proposing we do with the pick 3 compo?

I would look at disposal skill under pressure and willingness to contest, next would be pace asa footballer - not asa 400m runner. I would look for line breaking pace and strength in packs.

I don't think masten would get through