2017 trade/draft thread

[AsterixTheGaul]

I would look at disposal skill under pressure and willingness to contest, next would be pace asa footballer - not asa 400m runner. I would look for line breaking pace and strength in packs.

I don't think masten would get through

Did you have a view at the time or explaining your process of decision-making? I am not sure if you were around then because Masten was given big write ups after an impressive carnival, named as key follower in the AA team and there was a lot of love in WA and Victoria for him.

Now if you were attacking the a Weedon type decision, then that was one out of the blue and without a body of work to justify it. The essence of the U18 carnival and colts/TAC is to highlight the boys skills

I am not a Masten fan but we need to separate what we knew then and what we know now.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The club did nothing thing wrong picking Masten, what we did wrong and we continue to do wrong is after 3-4 years when we know what we have we keep holding on to them expecting them to deliver something different.
If after 4 years a top 10 draft pick is not delivering on his potential then you must move him on while he has some value still, because in another environment he may be able to deliver.
We have way to many players on our list that are simply permanent East Perth players, why are we holding on to them? What are we waiting to see from them? Now of course the odd player takes longer but you can't apply that to the majority.

 

[avishka5]

Would Masten been a better player with better development in his early years? The fact that our poor midfield development in the last decade makes me suspect that Masten might have become a better player under a different system.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Would Masten been a better player with better development in his early years? The fact that our poor midfield development in the last decade makes me suspect that Masten might have become a better player under a different system.

Its a good question which applies to many players at all clubs.
Would Jack Watts be a better player if drafted by the Hawks?
It is what it is and ultimately it falls back on the player to deliver what they are paid to.

 

[ziad]

Did you have a view at the time or explaining your process of decision-making? I am not sure if you were around then because Masten was given big write ups after an impressive carnival, named as key follower in the AA team and there was a lot of love in WA and Victoria for him.

Now if you were attacking the a Weedon type decision, then that was one out of the blue and without a body of work to justify it. The essence of the U18 carnival and colts/TAC is to highlight the boys skills

I am not a Masten fan but we need to separate what we knew then and what we know now.

I was around, but I certainly don't take any account of the media or the WA media in particular. In fact today o am reflecting on the time I watched A Robinson kick his 156th at Subi for the one season.

we should recruit players who will compete against men not boys

woodhouse wouldn't and no does his god son

What I would expect is that a professional footy organisation would make better decisions. Perhaps like recruiting a boy who had not played since U16.

keep going but there is not excuse

 

[Sammy J]

To be fair, Masten was U18 WA captain and a highly rated inside midfielder. If we had of passed on him, people would've been shattered.

Unfortunately, the top of that draft left a lot to be desired. Just unfortunate timing. The fact that JK turned out as great as he did completely saved this deal for us. We got Judd's best years and Kennedy's.

 

[ziad]

To be fair, Masten was U18 WA captain and a highly rated inside midfielder. If we had of passed on him, people would've been shattered.

Unfortunately, the top of that draft left a lot to be desired. Just unfortunate timing. The fact that JK turned out as great as he did completely saved this deal for us. We got Judd's best years and Kennedy's.

Its not about masted, ist about the 'poor timing' in every years draft masten is but an example. Only a biased god father would see the difference between an inside e mid at U18 (code for can not run and has not elite pace/skill) but is too small and inept under physical pressure to be so against men.

Lets say unless you are lightning quick and skilful or have the Cuz/Kerr mixx of X factor you have to be at least 186 and have a strong core.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Would Masten been a better player with better development in his early years? The fact that our poor midfield development in the last decade makes me suspect that Masten might have become a better player under a different system.

He had a fantastic 2015. I thought he had turned the corner. Much more contested game.

But then fell right away after the biting incident. Hasn't regained that form and unlikely to get there again.

 

[ziad]

Such a terrible draft well:
1 Matthew Kreuzer Northern Knights TAC Cup Carlton Champion
1 2 Trent Cotchin Northern Knights TAC Cup Richmond
Champion
1 3 Chris Masten East Fremantle WAFL West Coast
Good WAFL Player
1 4 Cale Morton Claremont WAFL Melbourne
1 5 Jarrad Grant Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup Western Bulldogs
Champion
1 6 David Myers Perth WAFL Essendon
1 7 Rhys Palmer East Fremantle WAFL Fremantle
1 8 Lachlan Henderson Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Brisbane Lions
Excellent AFL Contributor
1 9 Ben McEvoy Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup St Kilda
Champion - destroyed yes a few times
1 10 Patrick Dangerfield Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Adelaide
Champion
1 11 Patrick Veszpremi Northern Knights TAC Cup Sydney
Good AFL Contributor
1 12 Cyril Rioli St Mary's NTFL Hawthorn
Champion
1 13 Brad Ebert Port Adelaide Magpies SANFL West Coast
Excellent AFL Contributor - I know
1 14 Jack Grimes Northern Knights TAC Cup Melbourne
Excellent AFL Contributor
1 15 Robbie Tarrant Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup Kangaroos
Excellent AFL Contributor
1 16 Matthew Lobbe Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Port Adelaide
Excellent AFL Contributor
1 17 Harry Taylor East Fremantle WAFL Geelong
Champion
Priority 18 Alex Rance Swan Districts WAFL Richmond
Champion
2 19 Callan Ward Western Jets TAC Cup Western Bulldogs
Champion
2 20 Tony Notte Swan Districts WAFL West Coast
2 21 Addam Maric Calder Cannons TAC Cup Melbourne
Good AFL Contributor
2 22 Scott Selwood Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup West Coast
Excellent AFL Contributor - B&F

I see only 4 players that missed the boat and that includes Notte and Ryse Palmer who was a Rising Star - give me a break - we couldn't see good footballer if we fell over one

So we preferred the mighty squib over Danger and Cyril

 

[Monocle]

He had a fantastic 2015. I thought he had turned the corner. Much more contested game.

But then fell right away after the biting incident. Hasn't regained that form and unlikely to get there again.

Just proves that Subanitis is highly contagious disease and can be passed of by the exchange of blood .

 

[Godfather32]

Such a terrible draft well:
1 Matthew Kreuzer Northern Knights TAC Cup Carlton Champion
1 2 Trent Cotchin Northern Knights TAC Cup Richmond
Champion
1 3 Chris Masten East Fremantle WAFL West Coast
Good WAFL Player
1 4 Cale Morton Claremont WAFL Melbourne
1 5 Jarrad Grant Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup Western Bulldogs
Champion
1 6 David Myers Perth WAFL Essendon
1 7 Rhys Palmer East Fremantle WAFL Fremantle
1 8 Lachlan Henderson Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Brisbane Lions
Excellent AFL Contributor
1 9 Ben McEvoy Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup St Kilda
Champion - destroyed yes a few times
1 10 Patrick Dangerfield Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Adelaide
Champion
1 11 Patrick Veszpremi Northern Knights TAC Cup Sydney
Good AFL Contributor
1 12 Cyril Rioli St Mary's NTFL Hawthorn
Champion
1 13 Brad Ebert Port Adelaide Magpies SANFL West Coast
Excellent AFL Contributor - I know
1 14 Jack Grimes Northern Knights TAC Cup Melbourne
Excellent AFL Contributor
1 15 Robbie Tarrant Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup Kangaroos
Excellent AFL Contributor
1 16 Matthew Lobbe Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Port Adelaide
Excellent AFL Contributor
1 17 Harry Taylor East Fremantle WAFL Geelong
Champion
Priority 18 Alex Rance Swan Districts WAFL Richmond
Champion
2 19 Callan Ward Western Jets TAC Cup Western Bulldogs
Champion
2 20 Tony Notte Swan Districts WAFL West Coast
2 21 Addam Maric Calder Cannons TAC Cup Melbourne
Good AFL Contributor
2 22 Scott Selwood Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup West Coast
Excellent AFL Contributor - B&F

I see only 4 players that missed the boat and that includes Notte and Ryse Palmer who was a Rising Star - give me a break - we couldn't see good footballer if we fell over one

So we preferred the mighty squib over Danger and Cyril

Jarrad Grant is not a champion for a start, he's barely AFL standard these days.
Think you're throwing round a few too many champions and excellent contributors in there

 

[kane249]

Jarrad Grant 95 games, 94 goals
Patrick Veszpremi 23 games, 17 goals
Addam Maric 31 games, 16 goals

Those are the glaring ones but not the only ones that might need reassessing.

 

[FKASC]

the flip

 

[Galileo9]

Would Masten been a better player with better development in his early years? The fact that our poor midfield development in the last decade makes me suspect that Masten might have become a better player under a different system.

No. At end of day he isn't as strong as needed to be, to be an inside mid and mentally doesn't want it enough to be a gaff.

Most of it is still how badly you want it.

 

[Godfather32]

So with Petrie going and Giles' knee on the way out do we need to seriously look at drafting a ruck with a late pick? None of Nic Nat, Vardy or Lycett are what you'd call robust.

 

[Falco]

So with Petrie going and Giles' knee on the way out do we need to seriously look at drafting a ruck with a late pick? None of Nic Nat, Vardy or Lycett are what you'd call robust.

Scott Jones m8

 

[Godfather32]

Scott Jones m8

Yeh he's been mentioned a couple of times, wouldn't be the worst pick but it's hard to get a read on how good he is at East Perth because he plays with so many of our backups.

 

[Falco]

Yeh he's been mentioned a couple of times, wouldn't be the worst pick but it's hard to get a read on how good he is at East Perth because he plays with so many of our backups.

He seems to have been going well and played 18s with Sheed. He got injured and that affected his chances. I reckon we'll pick him up for sure considering Gortergate.

 

[Sammy J]

No one was picking Cyril or Danger at #3. That's captain hindsight at its finest.

 

[Godfather32]

He seems to have been going well and played 18s with Sheed. He got injured and that affected his chances. I reckon we'll pick him up for sure considering Gortergate.

I'd really like an explanation on that pick but everyone I ask who seems knowledgable about East Perth don't seem to want to answer.

 

[WCErevival]

Gorter did look ok last year. Maybe they thought Emac would never recover and recruited him as depth even though he is a bit short for a key defender

 

[Godfather32]

Gorter did look ok last year. Maybe they thought Emac would never recover and recruited him as depth even though he is a bit short for a key defender

Not exactly a glowing endorsement though is it?

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

So with Petrie going and Giles' knee on the way out do we need to seriously look at drafting a ruck with a late pick? None of Nic Nat, Vardy or Lycett are what you'd call robust.

There's a Vic junior with the surname Reeves or Neeves or something.

Very raw but has some Rory Lobb about him, they say. Might be a rookie option.

 

[WCErevival]

Not exactly a glowing endorsement though is it?

Well he was solid. Its the only possible explanation I can think of why we recruited him.

 

[Godfather32]

Well he was solid. Its the only possible explanation I can think of why we recruited him.

Oh yeh, wasn't having a go, I'm sure that was their thinking. But whatever way you break it down it was an odd pick. Surely somewhere out there is a defender of equal skill to Gorter that has a bit more size if that's what we wanted.