2017 trade/draft thread

[ziad]

Given he's played 150+ games and currently isn't in our best 22, my dog probably could have suggested that he's open to a trade... Great job 6PR.

you have a kelpi to, smart dogs

 

[lewigie]

Wants to go to freo apparently, from a decent source. Would say he would cost a bit too.

Ah so he wants to ruin his career, interesting

 

[KO_KO]

Apologies if this has been answered already.

What's Jono Marsh's status? I think he is actually still on the Pies list but I'd imagine he will be delisted. Has been solid playing midfield for the Sharks at WAFL level, is he worth a rookie spot?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Brendon Ah Chee is out of contract and wouldn't require a pick above the 4th round .
Menzel is a free agent .
Doubt they will be part of the GAJ trade .
GC will want a top 30 pick for GAJ trade or a player equivalent as he is contracted and on 1millon a season .

I'm hoping we use our late picks to get
B Ah chee , Tim kelly , liam ryan and jarrod garlett . This would really add to our list and age profile with talent youngsters .

I believe that Garry is more like on $500k in 2018 - they front ended his contract knowing they will have the likes of Lynch, May etc coming through.

The 3 options for him are:-
Plays for Suns - looking highly unlikely so Suns keep face but no salary cap space and how good will a despondent Garry be
Retires and goes home - Suns save salary cap but questions will be raised that Suns were just stubborn
Trade to Geelong - what is the currency? This is the difficult one.

Suns want to recoup some of the front end salary he was paid in last 3 years because the outlay for 2018 is not great
Suns want experience midfielders (hey - Masten is looking an option but that is a different thread)
Geelong feel like the Suns stole him and do not want to over pay while Suns see Geelong as seeking revenge

The deal is crying out for a third party

All three players in question have issues or concerns that make their currency very hard to value.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Apologies if this has been answered already.

What's Jono Marsh's status? I think he is actually still on the Pies list but I'd imagine he will be delisted. Has been solid playing midfield for the Sharks at WAFL level, is he worth a rookie spot?

Not for me. I am pissed we have wasted so many rookie spots relisting WAFL standard players and blocking rookie spots for players with development gaps.

More inventive rookie picks may have got us players that have an untried upside like we did with Sinclair, McGovern, etc. I love the Watson pick last year - he really has untried upside. We wasted a spot with Colledge when Darcy Cameron was an option. Bailey Banfield and Liam Ryan are options - will they make it? I would prefer to rookie possibilities than not likelies. But there again, we have not been great in the last 3 years in developing these guys.

 

[KO_KO]

Not for me. I am pissed we have wasted so many rookie spots relisting WAFL standard players and blocking rookie spots for players with development gaps.

More inventive rookie picks may have got us players that have an untried upside like we did with Sinclair, McGovern, etc. I love the Watson pick last year - he really has untried upside. We wasted a spot with Colledge when Darcy Cameron was an option. Bailey Banfield and Liam Ryan are options - will they make it? I would prefer to rookie possibilities than not likelies. But there again, we have not been great in the last 3 years in developing these guys.

I understand your POV however I think in this case it is a different scenario. He wasn't delisted by the Pies, he came home for mental health reasons. He was getting regular games for the Pies, so I'm interested to where he is at.

 

[Goldfish]

you have a kelpi to, smart dogs

Close... Staffy

 

[WCErevival]

Word coming out of Cervantes is that LeCras is done. Still struggling with the hip, not going to go around next year.

Phil Matera all over again. Could get himself dropped during the finals

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

I bet we will chase Matt White from port if he is delisted

His body has had it apparently

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Apologies if this has been answered already.

What's Jono Marsh's status? I think he is actually still on the Pies list but I'd imagine he will be delisted. Has been solid playing midfield for the Sharks at WAFL level, is he worth a rookie spot?

He wasn't on Collingwood's list this year.

 

[SizeMatters]

Rockliff

 

[avishka5]

Given he's played 150+ games and currently isn't in our best 22, my dog probably could have suggested that he's open to a trade... Great job 6PR.

Hey looks it's haggers.

 

[ronpingwins]

Rockliff

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[Coasters7]

We'd be silly to have all three of Naitanui, Lycett and Vardy on our list next year.

I think we could make it work. Vardy take the second tall forward spot. Darling slim down and take Leccas spot. (Lecca clearly isn't a typical small forward so JD would be doing a similar job anyway) Add Willie and possibly Ryan and it starts to look balanced. Rotate Vardy Nic and Lycett through bench/ruck/fwd (Vardy only between forward and bench). It'll be easier to do this with more of a running team without Pridda and Mitch.

Only thing would be that with this setup, Darling would probably have to get midfield minutes

 

[KO_KO]

He wasn't on Collingwood's list this year.

Shutup

 

[FKASC]

His body has had it apparently

Exactly

 

[Beutbrute]

The problem with barrass and mcgovern is they are slow . This is why Emac plays on the quick key forwards . That's why emac played on dixon .
Yes barrass is going to be a good defender but he will always struggle on fast forwards

Not true, from the following thread
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...krate-courtesy-of-liam-duggan-thread.1170893/

McGovern and Barrass are some of the fastest players in the club, along with Mackenzie. They are better marks than Mackenzie, so add more to the team being able to zone off and get intercept marks

Top Speeds (in km/h)
34.2 = Yeo
33.8 = Jetta
33.6 = Shepherd, McGovern
33.3 = Mackenzie
33.2 = Darling, Barrass
32.8 = Butler (I think I remember this play as well, it stood out)
32.7 = Hill
32.5 = Vardy (very surprising)
32.0 = Nelson, Wellingham
31.8 = Hurn (unlikely)
31.7 = Karpany
31.2 = Masten, Mutimer

 

[kane249]

Would someone like Aaron Hall suit what we need? Also, could Cam Ellis-Yolmen be a DFA this year? Haven't been following the SANFL this year so I'm not too sure

Ellis-Yolmen did his ACL this year

 

[bl4ke]

I think we could make it work. Vardy take the second tall forward spot. Darling slim down and take Leccas spot. (Lecca clearly isn't a typical small forward so JD would be doing a similar job anyway) Add Willie and possibly Ryan and it starts to look balanced. Rotate Vardy Nic and Lycett through bench/ruck/fwd (Vardy only between forward and bench). It'll be easier to do this with more of a running team without Pridda and Mitch.

Only thing would be that with this setup, Darling would probably have to get midfield minutes

Where does Waterman fit in there, surely the club have big plans for him as the 3rd tall

 

[Coasters7]

Where does Waterman fit in there, surely the club have big plans for him as the 3rd tall

Fair point, but I don't like the idea of going into next season with Nic as the only genuine ruckman in the entire squad, especially as he only rucks 60% of the game. People have forgotten how dominant the Nic/Lycett combination was. Also I doubt Vardy was a one year investment.

Maybe trade Lycett for a ruckman a few rungs lower + a pick? Or, as others have suggested, pick up someone like Spencer and trade Lycett away?

There's to much quality to not have them all in the first team but on the other hand not enough insurance if we trade away Lycett without bringing in a mature ruckman of some sort.

 

[06Premiers]

Rockliff

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Not true, from the following thread
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...krate-courtesy-of-liam-duggan-thread.1170893/

McGovern and Barrass are some of the fastest players in the club, along with Mackenzie. They are better marks than Mackenzie, so add more to the team being able to zone off and get intercept marks

Take those with a grain of salt . I don't think they are correct . Barrass Mcgovern hurn butler all faster than shuey ?
I don't think so .
Barrass also doesn't feature in the sprints or repeat sprints

 

[magpies42]

Same I'd take Matera as Collingwood would probably expect our 1st or 2nd rd pick for Fasolo

Or one of your running defenders.

 

[Beutbrute]

Take those with a grain of salt . I don't think they are correct . Barrass Mcgovern hurn butler all faster than shuey ?
I don't think so .

I think they give a good indication. Don't know why the clubs would be gathering and using all the data if it wasn't correct.
Shuey is probably faster than those guys with the ball in hand and first 10m, but running without the ball I'm not surprised that they're faster.
Barrass v Jeremy Cameron last season in the Nic Nat game, Barrass had Cameron covered for pace.

 

[Beutbrute]

Or one of your running defenders.

Probably our best running defender in Chris Masten is out of favour with the match committee at the moment. He would be a steal for you guys. Good mates with Mayne I believe