2017 trade/draft thread

[swannies]

You can develop Sheed, Duggan, Redden, yeo as midfielders to the cows come home but it won't change the fact they are not A grade midfielders.
Yep is a very good backman but the others are just average players, none of Sheed, Duggan or Redden would get a game at GWS and they are walk up starts with us.
That's where we are at and we need to look elsewhere.

Yeah, but comparing to GWS is not a fair comparison, as they have that many top 10 picks that it's not funny. Sheed will be a solid player, as will Duggan (maybe a bit better?) and Redden and Yeo is fantastic, but obviously not a mid. You're right about them not being As, but realistically there aren't that many A grade players in the comp, certainly not as many as most might think.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Yeah, but comparing to GWS is not a fair comparison, as they have that many top 10 picks that it's not funny. Sheed will be a solid player, as will Duggan (maybe a bit better?) and Redden and Yeo is fantastic, but obviously not a mid. You're right about them not being As, but realistically there aren't that many A grade players in the comp, certainly not as many as most might think.

I know we live in a world now where it takes 3-5 years to be able to judge a player and I get that's the way it is. Unfortunately or fortunately which ever way you want to look at it I reckon I can see a players future within their first 15-25 games. But that is just me, I don't see much upside to Redden, Sheed, Gaff, Duggan. What we have seen is what they have got in my view. All 4 of them have poor kicking skills and for me that eliminates you as a midfielder.
You know me and I will happily put my hand up if I am wrong so I am hoping you are spot on.

 

[Godfather32]

Yeah, but comparing to GWS is not a fair comparison, as they have that many top 10 picks that it's not funny. Sheed will be a solid player, as will Duggan (maybe a bit better?) and Redden and Yeo is fantastic, but obviously not a mid. You're right about them not being As, but realistically there aren't that many A grade players in the comp, certainly not as many as most might think.

That may be so but we still need to somehow get some better midfield talent in order to compete. If we can't work out how to we are going to be perpetually not quite good enough

 

[bunkyboy]

Can someone do a list of players from other clubs that are out of contract/free agent/out of favour for us to consider trading in?

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Yeah I wouldn't be against trading both. Lycett especially as he is not going to get any less injury prone IMO

It's not like he has a heap of soft tissue injuries ! Had OP 2015 then Did a pcl and played with it which ****ed it . Then an impact injury to his shoulder .
He should be right to go for preseason and a prime age for a ruck .
Between natanui lycett and vardy all fit we should have some red hot ruck competition .

 

[FKASC]

It's not like he has a heap of soft tissue injuries ! Had OP 2015 then Did a pcl and played with it which ****** it . Then an impact injury to his shoulder .
He should be right to go for preseason and a prime age for a ruck .
Between natanui lycett and vardy all fit we should have some red hot ruck competition .

He is very fragile though. Gotta admit it

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

He is very fragile though. Gotta admit it

Pretty sure this is the first season he has been so injured so he couldn't play .
He played on for 2 seasons injured for the club and his team mates .
We have little talent in his age bracket we need to keep him IMO

 

[West Coast 06]

He is very fragile though. Gotta admit it

So was Vardy.

 

[Shaz2012]

The solution to our midfield woes isn't on our list yet. We're dying for some A grade talent.

Rockliff as a FA?

Any chance you will trade JGov to us for our Lever picks.

 

[Inthegate]

My summary of the Eagles moving forward is that we have some quality players, but too many weak players in the 22 and not enough depth outside the 22

A grade talent for me includes: McGovern, Yeo, Kennedy, Shuey, Natanui, Gaff

Good afl footballers that would get a game at any club - Shepard, Hurn, Darling

Happy to keep based on age and ability to play a role: Redden, Duggan, Sheed, Barass, Mckenzie

Players with ability that should be above but not playing up to it: Wellingham, Jetta, Lecras.

There maybe more than the above but apart from that I think we have a heap of depth players playing in our 22 who could be easily replaced and offer little trade value. I also think these players don't bring anything special to the side that you expect a lower tier but top 22 player to bring (eg. Hardness/ pressure).

I worry that we rely on players like Venables, Nelson, karpany, mutimer etc moving fwd. Although they may have talent, from what we have seen to date I don't want to be banking on them. I see them as good solid players at best, but more likely to be average players.

There is no doubt we have quality, but our depth is a real worry. You only have to look at east perths performances, compared to peels in the wafl to see that the West Coast lower tier players are not quite up to the standard of afl level.

My personal opinion is that our lack of depth is the biggest problem and means no pressure for spots in the 22.

I wouldn't be against taking proven wafl players in the draft to at least increase our depth.

We may also need to sacrifice one of Mckenzie or Darling to get some talent through the door via the draft (2nd or 3rd rounder).

I wouldn't be against us taking some proven wafl/vfl/sanfl players later in the draft to build our depth. I feel that we have been very hit or miss at the draft in the last 5-7years and this is reflected by the spread of talent now on the list.

Tim Kelly, Liam Ryan, Liam baker are a few wafl players i'd consider.

Thoughts?

 

[amazingjoshy]

The one positive of a loss like that is there will be no papering over the cracks this off season. List needs a big turnover and almost guaranteed to get it now

 

[15yearmember]

The one positive of a loss like that is there will be no papering over the cracks this off season. List needs a big turnover and almost guaranteed to get it now

I remain fearful that the middle aged comfort disease of mediocrity that starts with Nisbett and ruminates outwards from there will accept the 6th position and last 2 “big” wins as a pass and will make less changes than we hope for. Keeping Lecca would be the perfect sign of such a direction.

I really hope I’m wrong. The exit of Priddis coupled with the return of NN seems to present an opportunity for a totally different midfield approach for the first time in years. I think most of us will accept a few steps back if there is a clear direction that we are doing it to move forward. This meh era has sucked

 

[Coasters7]

I remain fearful that the middle aged comfort disease of mediocrity that starts with Nisbett and ruminates outwards from there will accept the 6th position and last 2 “big” wins as a pass and will make less changes than we hope for. Keeping Lecca would be the perfect sign of such a direction.

I really hope I’m wrong. The exit of Priddis coupled with the return of NN seems to present an opportunity for a totally different midfield approach for the first time in years. I think most of us will accept a few steps back if there is a clear direction that we are doing it to move forward. This meh era has sucked

It's funny because that's the exact way the club seems to run things at the moment. Very short sighted and like you say, just meh. I can imagine them saying "we aren't far off, finished 6th and had a bad day", when we all know that's as good as it's going to get.

The media makes it worse. We talk a lot of **** during the week and hardly ever back it up. I get that you can't have a depressing press conference etc. But saying we're a realistic chance after fluking an 8th spot is just ignorant. We push everything to please the members and supporters and paint it like a fairytale waiting to happen. To a certain extent, obviously that needs to be done but eventually some hard truths need to be thrown around. Im not sure how other clubs do it but we are a very business and community focused club who have lost sight of what our main aim is to actually do.

 

[ziad]

The biggest problem is lack or work rate without the ball and the speed/power/skill combo. We don't have the speed and work rate to close down contests and the power to b real open those that do.
It comes down to recruiting the wrong type of player.
Not sure about the injured kids but we will see.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The biggest problem is lack or work rate without the ball and the speed/power/skill combo. We don't have the speed and work rate to close down contests and the power to b real open those that do.
It comes down to recruiting the wrong type of player.
Not sure about the injured kids but we will see.

Not sure our work rate is that bad, it is our skills that kill us and that can often make you look like your not working hard, turning the ball over as often as we do just kills any plan at all to be a good side.
The worst part is there is nothing that can be done to improve their kicking skills. What you see is what we have.

 

[Pat_Footy]

Lecras has to go. If he wants another season, then play at another club.

 

[Dark Sharks]

What do you think about Bennells hair though Pat?

 

[Pat_Footy]

What do you think about Bennells hair though Pat?

I assume he has none.

 

[Pat_Footy]

If lecras goes on next season, hopefully it will also be Simpson's last. I don't think he realises how close he is to losing support. He can't keep talking about shifting the age profile and then wait for retirements from all older players. Wce snuck into the finals and were just making up the numbers. That isn't list on many.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So we are fixed now with draft picks 13, 30, 48, 67 and 85.
These tally up to a total points of 2,212 which is about that of pick 3.
Meanwhile the Suns are holding 6,141 points and Brisbane are holding 5,674 points.
Another way to look at it that St Kilda are holding 2 top 10 picks and Richmond are holding 2 late first round picks.

There seems to be multiple sources for the Gaff to Melbourne thread (not just BF) and no other obvious big currency players that we are likely to able to trade.

Meanwhile, the FA is shallow and Rockcliff is about the only mid that we could use (regardless of whether you like him).

We also have a significant ace up our sleeve in supposed salary cap space.

Before we all get extreme about the semi final loss to GWS, Sydney looked about as insipid against Geelong and that is the modern game that a game plan can fall apart very quickly and brings about imbalanced results.

There are 3 glaring areas that need addressing:

1. The Coaching Box - we are weak in the box and Simpson needs to address it or he will not reach his potential.
2. We need midfielders - inside and outside that we can compete. Not HBF that have a run in the middle.
3. Strategy - we appear so set in our ways that we at time appear blinded. Is the we now redundant? Why will our match committee not make changes - classic example was we had 1 too many talls in defence and stubbornly refused to adapt meaning Mackenzie was playing on Taranto.

2015 now looks like flash in the pan. Have we moved on since that year?

So that makes me look at the challenges ahead of us.
Whilst we have O'Brien and Vozzo pulling the strings, we are forked in recruitment. What gives the club any confidence that they can do it in 2017 when the last we nailed a draft was 2010 and these guys were not around then!!! How successful has our list manager been in the role he has been given? I can see merit in going after Sumich in one of 2 roles. Either senior assistant meaning he will have to swallow a bit of pride but I cannot see him being a future senior coach while he is only coaching a youth combined state team. Alternatively he be offered the role as List Manager more like Steve Silvani holds where he and the senior coach are peers.

Whatever the case, I believe we need to walk Gepp and Longmuir off the premises on Mad Monday.

 

[Obeanie1]

We only get 13 :/

Just think, coulda been 9

Not too concerned. One of Brayshaw, Hunter Clarke or O'Brien will still be available at 13 and either one of those suits our needs to the tee.

Well 95% of our draft needs.

 

[15yearmember]

Who is the best slow left footer who runs all day and has “pretty good” skills at under 18’s level? Bonus points if they have mainly played on a back flank but shown “promise on occasions when shifted to midfield”.

That’s who we will target

 

[Obeanie1]

Wonder what Simo thinks about Mitch Hallahan as a DFA option.

Ex Hawks player, struggled with injury at Gold Coast. Inside mid who's strength is contested ball, weakness is leg speed. Only 25.

 

[Godfather32]

Wonder what Simo thinks about Mitch Hallahan as a DFA option.

Ex Hawks player, struggled with injury at Gold Coast. Inside mid who's strength is contested ball, weakness is leg speed. Only 25.

Should slot right in then

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Not too concerned. One of Brayshaw, Hunter Clarke or O'Brien will still be available at 13 and either one of those suits our needs to the tee.

Well 95% of our draft needs.

But will O'Brien (the Recruiter not the player) get us a genuine mid of a hybrid want to be mid?