2017 trade/draft thread

[eagle eyed]

And I would have thought that a pick upgrade being used as value in a trade is quite simple too.
You can argue the semantics of what a pick is worth, but I'd be confident in saying that their system, based on expected games played, is better than yours.

Mate I'm not trying to argue with you. Too many people are justifying trades by quoting the points values of picks. As I said in my initial
post why would we give Port our second for Ah Chee & their third? If he's worth a third then we'd surely just offer that. If they get pick 50 odd for him that's a win because they don't play him, he's out of contract and he wants to leave. It doesn't matter how many points the pick is worth, if they deal with us we have one third round pick and it is what it is. Adelaide drafted Sloane with 44, Sydney drafted Parker with 40; it doesn't matter how many points those picks were worth it was their position in the draft and the players that were still available that determined their value when taken.


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[Jootube]

Mate I'm not trying to argue with you. Too many people are justifying trades by quoting the points values of picks. As I said in my initial
post why would we give Port our second for Ah Chee & their third? If he's worth a third then we'd surely just offer that. If they get pick 50 odd for him that's a win because they don't play him, he's out of contract and he wants to leave. It doesn't matter how many points the pick is worth, if they deal with us we have one third round pick and it is what it is. Adelaide drafted Sloane with 44, Sydney drafted Parker with 40; it doesn't matter how many points those picks were worth it was their position in the draft and the players that were still available that determined their value when taken.


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Because a 3rd rounder is not worthless. IF it was, the trade would EFFECTIVELY be Ah Chee for a 2nd. But depending on what you value a 3rd rounder, the trade changes dramatically.

Edit: It ultimately comes down to the number of draftees we want this year. If we want a higher list turnover (extra draftee) trading down makes sense.

 

[eagle eyed]

Because a 3rd rounder is not worthless. IF it was, the trade would EFFECTIVELY be Ah Chee for a 2nd. But depending on what you value a 3rd rounder, the trade changes dramatically.

Edit: It ultimately comes down to the number of draftees we want this year. If we want a higher list turnover (extra draftee) trading down makes sense.

Your edit clarifies your position; I still wouldn't want to help out a rival by giving them a second for a guy who's surplus to their needs. I guess if we have specific targets that will be gone in the third it would make sense but knowing our draft history I wouldn't bank on them being anything great. Would be better to use an extra rookie spot and grab someone with a weapon or two that we can develop like we did with Gov, Cox, Lynch, etc.

And yeah it still shits me when people are justifying trades with points. The pick is the pick is the pick; if I was drafting a f/s then that's a different story. [emoji106]


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[Jootube]

Your edit clarifies your position; I still wouldn't want to help out a rival by giving them a second for a guy who's surplus to their needs. I guess if we have specific targets that will be gone in the third it would make sense but knowing our draft history I wouldn't bank on them being anything great. Would be better to use an extra rookie spot and grab someone with a weapon or two that we can develop like we did with Gov, Cox, Lynch, etc.

And yeah it still shits me when people are justifying trades with points. The pick is the pick is the pick; if I was drafting a f/s then that's a different story. [emoji106]


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Our 2nd is pick 31. Ports 3rd is 48.

Would you rather have the 31st best player in the draft, or Ah Chee and the 48th best player?

The points are just a statistical way of evaluating Ah Chee.


Using the point system, we are "valuing" Ah Chee at pick 48.

Funnily enough, we have pick 49 (3rd Rounder). In this case, you're entirely correct, we'd just trade our 3rd for Ah Chee, not stuff around downgrading picks.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Here2tellyouwhy thoughts?

Replace butter with Here2tellyouwhy jnr

 

[eagle eyed]

Our 2nd is pick 31. Ports 3rd is 48.

Would you rather have the 31st best player in the draft, or Ah Chee and the 48th best player?

The points are just a statistical way of evaluating Ah Chee.

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Using the point system, we are "valuing" Ah Chee at pick 48.

Funnily enough, we have pick 49 (3rd Rounder). In this case, you're entirely correct, we'd just trade our 3rd for Ah Chee, not stuff around downgrading picks.

My thinking is I'd prefer to have the 31st best Player & Ah Chee; Port can have the 48th & 49th best players [emoji6]


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[West123]

I approve of signing Sam Gibson.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Port can GAGF

Offer them our 4th round pick for Ah Chee, Ebert and their pre season ruined by Shuedog

 

[Monocle]

I approve of signing Sam Gibson.

That a NO from me.

 

[avishka5]

That a NO from me.

Monocle:


Me:

 

[ArdentEagle]

That a NO from me.

Masten or Gibson?

 

[new breed]

I approve of signing Sam Gibson.

We need to trade in someone but most likely Masten will get games and could do alright , Gibson has faded somewhat but I reckon he could play his part in the midfield gets first use of the ball and is tough and courageous .

Reckon he will return to Country Victoria anyway and retire but is not the worst option .

 

[Avalor]

Masten or Gibson?

Definitely, the latter.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I've seen Gibson suggested a few times. Piss pull, surely?

 

[avishka5]

Didn't gibson play his best footy as a run with player? Yeah no to a 31 year old wingmen/tagger.
Id rather see us turn masten to tagger (which im not huge on).

 

[new breed]

Didn't gibson play his best footy as a run with player? Yeah no to a 31 year old wingmen/tagger.
Id rather see us turn masten to tagger (which im not huge on).

He was 25 when drafted so he would be okay ...we need to sacrifice a player in the midfield and he would be tough enough ...as the Boss said Tougher Then The Rest .

Ps Going to return to Country ViC anyway I would imagine so definately wont come West for one season .

 

[truman]

No

You cold as ice man

 

[avishka5]

He was 25 when drafted so he would be okay ...we need to sacrifice a player in the midfield and he would be tough enough ...as the Boss said Tougher Then The Rest .

Who cares when he was drafted. He's still 31 and probably not much left. You don't draft players like that unless they're elite players. We are most likely going to slide down the ladder next few years, rather see us give opportunities for a few kids to cement that spot. In fact i like the idea of mutimer or nelson tagging for a bit. We also have Hutchings who is much younger than Gibson.

 

[Smeg Head]

Anyone else prefer to see us just go to the draft instead? None of the players suggested as legitimately available are that exciting.

 

[Monocle]

Masten or Gibson?

Gibson.

But your question is a little like asking me would I like to be shot or stabbed.

My prefered answer would be neither.

 

[liam123]

We all recognize that if we are to win a premiership with josh and nic we have to pull something out of our ass. Even some of the best midfielders didn't impact a whole lot on their team in their first few years. This got me thinking that we should leave no stone unturned this trade period.

So I've been thinking about what team could be tempted to lose an A grade midfielder if the deal was right, given their current situation. Brisbane are probably 4-5 years off contending and have zorko who will turn 29 next year. I'd be prepared to give up a whole lot of overs for somebody like him. If Brisbane a real about contending they would except knowing that he doesn't fit with their long term rebuild. Yeah I know I'm dreaming..

 

[liam123]

Gibson.

But your question is a little like asking me would I like to be shot or stabbed.

My prefer answer would be neither.

So much rather be shot. Bleeding out can take a while. Masten is the bleeding out option..


Seriously though if we get Gibson and keep masten I'll take both options..

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

My thinking is I'd prefer to have the 31st best Player & Ah Chee; Port can have the 48th & 49th best players [emoji6]


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just get ahchee for 66 and just keep our 2nd and 3rd rounds .

 

[Ok Boomer]

Sam Gibson lol what. 31 year old outside turnover merchant discarded from Norf would be a perfect fit.

 

[Monocle]

Whilst I don't for one minute want Sam Gibson, he is in fact the very sort of player I have great admiration for.

Not the most gifted player by any stretch of the imagination, but one who worked hard, applied himself, was persistent and dedicated and got the best out of what limited ability he had.
He managed to eke out 130 AFL games the hard way by twice being recruited onto a rookie list at both Hawthorn and North Melbourne.

Its why guys like Jetta and Wellingham really annoy me ( polite version ), such natural ability and in both their cases flair yet they both will retire from the AFL, one day soon, as Premiership Players yet both will leave having left so much out on the ground and never got the very best out of themselves.

For every Matt Priddis there is an Andrew McDougall.