2017 trade/draft thread

[Obeanie1]

Oh it’s not what the club does. It’s what fans want.

So not similar at all then?

I dont get the question TBH.

Im saying that drafting two physically developed 18 year olds can provide an impact before Kennedy retires and Kelly and Ryan are similar being mature recruits. They too can potentially add something before Kennedy retires.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Monocle/ER/Keys/other footy experts, in which round do you see Schloithe being taken?

I'll go wittthhhhh... 4th.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Look, WC have some of the worst recruiters in the comp.

The club often treats it's second round pick as a chance to have a crack and take a big risk.

Weedon, Mccinnes, Newman, Lamb and Partington recently come to mind.

Basically, two picks in the mid second round are a big risk.

 

[Monocle]

Trading 13 for 25 and 28 can get ******.

Agree with this, as it feels a touch short as we need something else added to it.

Its 13 + 50 (1485 pts) for 25 + 28 + 30 (2062 pts)

I would, however, give consideration to this.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I dont get the question TBH.

Im saying that drafting two physically developed 18 year olds can provide an impact before Kennedy retires and Kelly and Ryan are similar being mature recruits. They too can potentially add something before Kennedy retires.

But our recruiters are terrible and won't do what you think.

At least one kid will be some obscure private school kid which was on no ones radar and subsequently won't play a game.

The other will be high/risk reward type that will probably be a dud.

One of the WA kids available will go on to be a gun. Fans will wring their hands.

 

[bodazoka]

Its 13 + 50 (1485 pts) for 25 + 28 + 30 (2062 pts)

100% would do.

 

[Mickey Rae]

Do not help Essenscum EVER. What a stupid stupid idea.

Would consider contributing to a "clean needle" program for them but that would be about the only help I would give.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

100% would do.

Given WC drafting history high chance players taken at 25+28+30 combine for <50 games. Reasonable chance it is <10.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I am struggling to reconcile Rawlings comments that we wanted to target elite midfielders and then we start negotiations for trading down having our first pick at 25!

If it was 13 for 25 and 28, then I will be annoyed. Yes we probably get 2 of Worpel, L Fogarty, Spargo and Moore. Our second would be at 32 (EFA) and our third at 50 would be a significant step away.

On the other hand, sweetening a deal with 13 and 50 for 25, 28 and 30 would be more palatable. That would enable us to get 2 of the above plus say Allen or Taylor as local KPP or Tim Kelly (not as high on my wish list as others) or 3 or the above.

What we are losing is the chance to get a Hunter or Constable who are a level above those in the 20's. And yes, there are no guarantees in the draft so no need to come back with that argument.

I hear we want elite yet the last time we had a top 10 pick was 2010. Historically, your elite talent is in the top 10. No guarantees but vastly improved chances.

The only way I can understand the desire for 3 picks in the 20-30 range is if there is if the club have lost faith in the head or recruiting believing O'Brien is not up to selecting at the pointy end. Food for thought. Certainly a reasonable conclusion based on recent history.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

WCE 2nd round selections for the last decade:

2007
Pick 20 - Tony Notte
Pick 22 - Scott Selwood

2008
Pick 20 - Tom Swift

2009
Pick 22 - Gerrick Weedon
Pick 23 - Koby Stevens

2010
Pick 29 - Scott Lycett

2011*
Picks 23 and 28 were first round and netted Newman and Mccines

2012*
Our first pick was start of the 3rd round at 45 Brant Collage

2013
Pick 31 - Malcolm Carpany

2014
Pick 32 - Tom Lamb

2015
Pick 28 - Luke Partington
Pick 36 - Tom Cole

2016
Pick 37 - Josh Rotham

Not a single blue chip player or even high level contributor on the list. That's not to say recent picks won't come good, but WC history with 2nd round selections is terrible.

EDIT: if you want, feel free to include 2010 pick 26 Jack Darling, who was a priority selection.

 

[WCE_Phill]

The only way I can understand the desire for 3 picks in the 20-30 range is if there is if the club have lost faith in the head or recruiting believing O'Brien is not up to selecting at the pointy end. Food for thought. Certainly a reasonable conclusion based on recent history.

If that's the case, he should be sacked instead of trading down the draft

 

[Cuzz09]

WCE 2nd round selections for the last decade:

2007
Pick 20 - Tony Notte
Pick 22 - Scott Selwood

2008
Pick 20 - Tom Swift

2009
Pick 22 - Gerrick Weedon

2010
Pick 29 - Scott Lycett

2011*
Picks 23 and 28 were first round and netted Newman and Mccines

2012*
Our first pick was start of the 3rd round at 45 Brant Collage

2013
Pick 31 - Malcolm Carpany

2014
Pick 32 - Tom Lamb

2015
Pick 28 - Luke Partington

2016
Pick 37 - Josh Rotham

Not a single blue chip player or even high level contributor on the list. That's not to say recent picks won't come good, but WC history with 2nd round selections is terrible.

Horrible.

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[The Made Guy]

We should be looking to move UP the draft order to identify some elite midfield talent, not down the order. I will be disappointed if we do this shuffle.

WCE 2nd round selections for the last decade:

Lycett at 29 the only "pass" mark there, and even that is a C-.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I am struggling to reconcile Rawlings comments that we wanted to target elite midfielders and then we start negotiations for trading down having our first pick at 25!

If it was 13 for 25 and 28, then I will be annoyed. Yes we probably get 2 of Worpel, L Fogarty, Spargo and Moore. Our third at 50 would be a significant step away.

On the other hand, sweetening a deal with 13 and 50 for 25, 28 and 30 would be more palatable. That would enable us to get 2 of the above plus say Allen or Taylor as local KPP or Tim Kelly (not as high on my wish list as others) or 3 or the above.

What we are losing is the chance to get a Hunter or Constable who are a level above those in the 20's. And yes, there are no guarantees in the draft so no need to come back with that argument.

I hear we want elite yet the last time we had a top 10 pick was 2010. Historically, your elite talent is in the top 10. No guarantees but vastly improved chances.

The only way I can understand the desire for 3 picks in the 20-30 range is if there is if the club have lost faith in the head or recruiting believing O'Brien is not up to selecting at the pointy end. Food for thought. Certainly a reasonable conclusion based on recent history.

Also, if they have lost faith why trade down. It will only end poorly. We have drafted no solid best 22 players in 10 years of 2nd round picks. Partington or another may buck the trend, but our draft history is bad, maybe the least productive in the AFL.

 

[Monocle]

WCE 2nd round selections for the last decade:


2010
Pick 29 - Scott Lycett


Not a single blue chip player or even high level contributor on the list. That's not to say recent picks won't come good, but WC history with 2nd round selections is terrible.

You might want to add to the 2010 draft:

2010
Pick 26. Jack Darling.

Thats a serious omission.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

You might want to add to the 2010 draft:

2010
Pick 26. Jack Darling.

Thats a serious omission.

Not really.

He wasn't a second round selection. 2011 and 2012 have an asterix because WC didn't have a 2nd round pick, so I included the closest picks and where they were taken.

If you want to include Darling, even though he wasn't a 2nd round pick, that is one B level player taken in 10 years. If I broaden the scope though, it will look even worse, considering players like Ash Smith fall within an expanded range.

 

[amazingjoshy]

I am struggling to reconcile Rawlings comments that we wanted to target elite midfielders and then we start negotiations for trading down having our first pick at 25!

If it was 13 for 25 and 28, then I will be annoyed. Yes we probably get 2 of Worpel, L Fogarty, Spargo and Moore. Our third at 50 would be a significant step away.

On the other hand, sweetening a deal with 13 and 50 for 25, 28 and 30 would be more palatable. That would enable us to get 2 of the above plus say Allen or Taylor as local KPP or Tim Kelly (not as high on my wish list as others) or 3 or the above.

What we are losing is the chance to get a Hunter or Constable who are a level above those in the 20's. And yes, there are no guarantees in the draft so no need to come back with that argument.

I hear we want elite yet the last time we had a top 10 pick was 2010. Historically, your elite talent is in the top 10. No guarantees but vastly improved chances.

The only way I can understand the desire for 3 picks in the 20-30 range is if there is if the club have lost faith in the head or recruiting believing O'Brien is not up to selecting at the pointy end. Food for thought. Certainly a reasonable conclusion based on recent history.

Agree with most of your points. However our 3rd would still be our current 32 in this situation.

 

[the harry]

Have we won trade period yet?

 

[Shmiddy15]

maybe the recruiters are desperate to improve our second round track record so that we here on bigfooty stop bringing it up every year trade 13 and 51 for 25,28,30 + keeping our 32 gives us 4 cracks at it. Surely we couldn't stuff them all up!

 

[Monocle]

He wasn't a second round selection. 2011 and 2012 have an asterix because WC didn't have a 2nd round pick, so I included the closest picks and when they were taken.

Pick 26 is to all intent and purposes is a second rounder.

 

[kranky al]

Not really.

He wasn't a second round selection. 2011 and 2012 have an asterix because WC didn't have a 2nd round pick, so I included the closest picks and when they were taken.

If you want to include Darling, even though he wasn't a 2nd round pick, that is one B level player taken in 10 years. If I broaden the scope though, it will look even worse, considering players like Ash Smith fall within an expanded range.

For a b grade player he sure gets a lot of attention from other clubs.

If we were to trade him im sure we wouldnt be looking at a b grade pick in trade.


Any other club would gleefully take him and play him in position and watch him rack up aa’s

 

[06Premiers]

WHAT'S THE ****ING SCORE?!

 

[DivideandMultiply]

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Pick 26 is to all intent and purposes is a second rounder.

It wasn't a 2nd round selection. That isn't splitting hairs.

Again and I repeat, even if you include that pick, a lucky pick where a player slid due to off field rumors, that is one B level player in 10 years.

Lycett is the only 2nd round pick taken in that time still on the list, to make 50 games.

 

[Galileo9]

Also, if they have lost faith why trade down. It will only end poorly. We have drafted no solid best 22 players in 10 years of 2nd round picks. Partington or another may buck the trend, but our draft history is bad, maybe the least productive in the AFL.

Maybe, but u don’t know? And yet are happy to judge it and spread it as incompetence. Trump loves people like u.

48% of players picked before no 10 play 100 games. 40% after pick 10 play less than 25 games. This is just the national draft.

Now imagine what odds would be for pick 13, 2nd round etc. this is why draft pick numbers are overrated.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

For a b grade player he sure gets a lot of attention from other clubs.

If we were to trade him im sure we wouldnt be looking at a b grade pick in trade.


Any other club would gleefully take him and play him in position and watch him rack up aa’s

No one would consider Darling an A grader and frankly it is a debate which is irrelevant to the point.

He wasn't a second round selection. He was also a unique pick. What happened when we tried to take a similarly talented but allegedly troubled player in Newman, it was a bust.

Again, that draft history must be close to the least productive, alongside the likes of Carlton.