2017 trade/draft thread

[KO_KO]

Underrating Lycett also


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[AsterixTheGaul]

It wasn't a 2nd round selection. That isn't splitting hairs.

Again and I repeat, even if you include that pick, a lucky pick where a player slid due to off field rumors, that is one B level player in 10 years.

Lycett is the only 2nd round pick taken in that time still on the list, to make 50 games.

So it reads like you listed McInnes, Newman and Colledge who were not clear 2nd rounders yet Darling at 26 isn't splitting hairs because you have Lycett!

You points are good - the Darling omission makes it sound selective so just accept the input because it was a good post that could have been slightly better.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Underrating Lycett also


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Nope.

He has played 50 games in 7 seasons. Is recovering from a serious injury, and has at best played a couple of reasonably good games, the rest being low level development/role player matches.

 

[Chris_6678]

has this been the worst trade period ever? There has been barely any trades

 

[DivideandMultiply]

So it reads like you listed McInnes, Newman and Colledge who were not clear 2nd rounders yet Darling at 26 isn't splitting hairs because you have Lycett!

You points are good - the Darling omission makes it sound selective so just accept the input because it was a good post that could have been slightly better.

As I said, those years have an asterix which I included in the post, because we didn't have a second round pick.

I listed the closest selections and where they were taken. You can ignore them if you want, but the fact they were before the second round makes it worse. There are no non second round selections listed for other years.

 

[Cuzz09]

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Not really. Lycett has done nothing yet. Oh except been injured when we need him most. Hooray

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[DivideandMultiply]

Maybe, but u don’t know? And yet are happy to judge it and spread it as incompetence. Trump loves people like u.

48% of players picked before no 10 play 100 games. 40% after pick 10 play less than 25 games. This is just the national draft.

Now imagine what odds would be for pick 13, 2nd round etc. this is why draft pick numbers are overrated.

The first part of this post is delerious. Unnecessary leap to lump me in with Trump voters.

Mate, it is what it is. They may improve in the future, I hope they do and will be optimistic.

However, retaining a high pick should be a priority.

Unless there is a Jack Darling in this draft, downgrading 13 to 25-30, isn't the best idea.

 

[Obeanie1]

It wasn't a 2nd round selection. That isn't splitting hairs.

Again and I repeat, even if you include that pick, a lucky pick where a player slid due to off field rumors, that is one B level player in 10 years.

Lycett is the only 2nd round pick taken in that time still on the list, to make 50 games.

Pick 26 isnt first round and it isnt third round.

So whats left?

 

[JohnW]

No one would consider Darling an A grader and frankly it is a debate which is irrelevant to the point.

He wasn't a second round selection. He was also a unique pick. What happened when we tried to take a similarly talented but allegedly troubled player in Newman, it was a bust.

Again, that draft history must be close to the least productive, alongside the likes of Carlton.

Wat?

He was an end of round 1 priority pick? Meaning if we didn't have this pick he could only be taken in the 2nd round?

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Pick 26 isnt first round and it isnt third round.

So whats left?

A priority selection. You know, what it was actually called.

As I have said, include it if you want. Broadening the scope into the 20's to include non 2nd round picks makes it worse.

 

[Chris_6678]

Not really. Lycett has done nothing yet. Oh except been injured when we need him most. Hooray

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This year was the perfect time for him to cement himself with no Nic Nat but then on one hand we got Vardy who proved to be a decent ruckman.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

True story: he had to change his name from penis van lesbian before Hollywood took him seriously. Crazy

Not these days, going by modern hollywierd movies that'd be the name to get you all the parts you want..

 

[twotooto]

I think the ideal outcome from this trade period would be to attract an established A grade midfielder, or someone with A grade potential on the cusp of realising his potential.

No surprises there. Elite midfield talent(and perhaps an established, quality small forward)is what we lack. Thing is, elite midfield talent simply does not grow on trees and it's pretty rare for them to actually nominate in the draft off of their own volition. Added to that, when they do, they rarely want to leave their home state and head west. An established small forward would have been nice but we have some good potential small forwards in the making. Not the end of the world there.

People can jump up and down saying how shit WC are in trade week but the reality is you can't get blood out of a stone. So far in this trade period the midfield talent that has actually nominated all named other clubs as their preferred destination and realistically, none of the players were really of any interest to us going forward anyway. I also don't think it's wise putting a lot of resources into chasing a player that doesn't really want to be at the club.

So, given that we are almost certainly not likely to get an established midfield talent the next best thing is to invest in strengthening our draft position as much as possible - even if that means astute trading for future draft picks. Again, no surprises there.

Regarding Ah Chee, I think we'll get him but whether or not it's for a 3rd or 4th round pick shouldn't be the defining factor. The main question is do we think he can help us going forward? If the answer is yes(I personally think it is yes) then we should do what needs to be done to get him. Missing out over the difference of a couple of positions in the draft order is just stupid when we're talking about 3rd and 4th round. Yes, it may mean the difference of picking up a late round gem but Ah Chee is a local, he wants to be at the club and he is somewhat of a known quantity.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Wat?

He was an end of round 1 priority pick? Meaning if we didn't have this pick he could only be taken in the 2nd round?

The same could be said of any pick just before the second round. Words no longer seem to have meaning.

Ok, include pick 26. The earliest 2nd round pick within that period was pick 19.

If we broaden the scope to from pick 19 over a 10 year period we can include: Darling, Newman and Mccinnes.

Oh and I forgot Stevens in 2009 at 23. Makes it even worse.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I'd rather keep our 1st round pick, but whether or not we entertain accepting 25+30 for 13, may depend entirely on if we rate Colyer or not if he's offered up as part of the deal.

 

[BartBart]

How many points do we win that trade by?

Sounds better than 13 for 25 and 30 though.

Points are pretty irrelevant as we aren't going for a F/S or Academy player.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I'd rather keep our 1st round pick, but whether or not we entertain accepting 25+30 for 13, may depend entirely on if we rate Colyer or not if he's offered up as part of the deal.

Colyer is like Masten but quicker and with worse disposal.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Points are pretty irrelevant as we aren't going for a F/S or Academy player.

Yeah, what matters is which players are available.

There are some genuine high level midfield prospects that will be available at 13.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

WCE 2nd round selections for the last decade:

2007
Pick 20 - Tony Notte
Pick 22 - Scott Selwood

2008
Pick 20 - Tom Swift

2009
Pick 22 - Gerrick Weedon
Pick 23 - Koby Stevens

2010
Pick 29 - Scott Lycett

2011*
Picks 23 and 28 were first round and netted Newman and Mccines

2012*
Our first pick was start of the 3rd round at 45 Brant Collage

2013
Pick 31 - Malcolm Carpany

2014
Pick 32 - Tom Lamb

2015
Pick 28 - Luke Partington

2016
Pick 37 - Josh Rotham

Not a single blue chip player or even high level contributor on the list. That's not to say recent picks won't come good, but WC history with 2nd round selections is terrible.

EDIT: if you want, feel free to include 2010 pick 26 Jack Darling, who was a priority selection.

you missed darling and Cole.
Barrass was also a very early third

 

[The Gtrain]

Worked well for Collingwood with the Clokes.

Shaw Shaw!

 

[Seadog]

Points are pretty irrelevant as we aren't going for a F/S or Academy player.

Reallllllyyyy*.




* That was the admittedly bad joke.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

you missed darling and Cole.
Barrass was also a very early third

The players I missed were Stevens and Cole. Barrass and Darling weren't 2nd round.

 

[Bender_]

The discussions about what's defined as a second round pick is more interesting than trade week.

 

[twce13]

It really depends on the draft feedback of the recruiters, I get people get player crushes on these kids, but it's possible eagles recruiters rate one of the other kids between the expected 20 to 30 range for thier first. In which case it can justify a trade down, much like with sheed (regardless if karpany works out or not)

 

[DivideandMultiply]

The discussions about what's defined as a second round pick is more interesting than trade week.

**** you Mr. Rodriguez.

At this point I'm like, *sniff* "second round picks are pure ideology".