2017 trade/draft thread

[Abed]

I remember reading picks 10-25 are pretty even this year. It's that still correct? If so, great trading by the club.

 

[BOND 007]

I have a feeling Simmo has now taken charge and told his recruiters exactly what he wants. Plus Rawlings is no idiot. Just a hunch.

Neither are - remember its a team effort. Recruiters dont work in a vacuum.

 

[Obeanie1]

I feel like this could possibly give him the rocket he needed. Come back next year knowing he was this close to being delisted. Either that or hes happy to quit all together and continue with his other business interests. I'd give him one more year because his best can be very good.

Put him on more of a performance based contract so he needs to work to earn the bigger dollars.

No doubt he has struggled with his ankles ever since arriving here. Trampolines are permently banned at the Eagles because of Wellers.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Couple of intertwining factors
1) understanding that some players just dont have it
2) recognising just where the game is heading concerning player retention & the fact that planning is great but dont forget about the here & now.
3) understanding that nowdays almost anyone can win a flag each year - so the earlier you get the kids in the better

That's what I have enjoyed about the last few season. It has shown that the competition is even enough that if you want it bad enough you can win it. Just like the good ol days, heart and passion will get you there.

 

[Godfather32]

Anyone know if the U18 All Stars game is available online somewhere? Was on Fox Footy last year but didn’t seem to be this year. Wouldn’t mind seeing how Starcevich went. Oscar Allen too apparently kicked a couple in that game.

It was live streamed on the AFL website this year, can't seem to find a replay of it anywhere though

 

[Turboman1994]

Disagree strongly i would use pick 26 on Tim Kelly.
I think he's that value and stops Carlton using there pick 30 on him.
People don't realise how good his centre clearance work is.

Agreed people underestimate how good Kelly is. His spacial awareness, footy smarts and lateral movement is off the charts. Might not be an inside bull but he doesnt mind the scrappy stuff and his clearances are high quality. If we can pick him up and he averages 20d 10 contested posseys and 5 clearances a game he will be a game breaker

 

[Altum Volantes]

They better draft at least 2 South Australian (or Vic Country) mid sized tweeners with those picks and get them a good run next year at EP reserves.

Strictly no taller than 188cm and definitely 3 pre seasons off AFL ready. Under-aged serious injuries are optional, but some mild OP and stress fractures of the feet are compulsory.

Nice plain names too, nothing fancy. 'Michael Smith' and 'Matthew Wilson' - something like that.

 

[The Passenger]

You've gone into a vanilla draft - where the top end talent dips after the first 5 with picks in the 20-30 range hoping to land one.

It's unbelievably stupid.

If anything it makes more sense to downgrade in this years draft. We never had a top 5 pick so our access to the top end was zero anyway... and maybe the club is thinking the player likely available at pick 13 was not going be significantly better then the player available at 21. If it's a WA boy, It may even be the same player we ended up with.

 

[ChampRevesby]

How did the tigers get 17, 20 and 25? wow.

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

That's a cop out answer, what would you have done differently?

Moved on all non - elite players over 28. Create cap space and game time for young players.

Had a dabble at Matera since i think he is a player with considerable ability, is still only 25 and Freo got him for virtually nothing.

Since we would have a lot of spots to fill i would have looked at mature players in early 20's in WAFL/SANFL etc to bring in via rookie draft to fill holes in list as opposed to using 4th/5th/6th round picks or whatever to go after another 17 year old nobody else rated. Because i think that too much emphasis is placed on the 17 year olds and there are probably talented mature age players in secondary comps that are better bets to become solid role players for us than 17 year olds at long odds picks.

It is my personal belief that both draft picks before used and the 17 year olds drafted with them are over valued at the trade table by the general market and existing players are under rated. This is because to both recruiters and supporters a draft pick and/or 17 year old is like a blank canvas. You can project all your hopes on to it. You can imagine in your mind it is going to materialise into a player that is cross between Diesel Williams, Chris Judd and Patty Dangerfield all at once. But when the draft pick or 17 year old draftee becomes a player who is is 2 - 5 years into his career all of his limitations and the fact that he will not become the once in a generation player player you fantasised about in your dreams before and just after drafting them is now evident. Schache is a prime example. He was pick 2 and the next Wayne Carey 2 years ago. Now nobody even wants to cough up a second round pick for him.

So i would do a mass cull, compile cap space by bringing forward contracts, look to fill the holes on list with mature agers and hope 1 in 3 can become a 5 year plus player for us. And have a long hard look at how to use the ample money we have to improve our outcomes in drafting and development.

But this would be a big project. The club would have to condition the supporter base to expect and tolerate a slide down the ladder for next few years. The supporter base is currently not expecting this and if not conditioned to expect and accept it then there will be considerable public pressure on the club. Think Ross Lyon at the start of this season. Every interview he did he kept playing down expectations and telling the supporter base not to expect finals etc. He was relentless at staying on that message in every interview. That is what Simpson and co would have to do.

 

[Obeanie1]

Couple of intertwining factors
1) understanding that some players just dont have it
2) recognising just where the game is heading concerning player retention & the fact that planning is great but dont forget about the here & now.
3) understanding that nowdays almost anyone can win a flag each year - so the earlier you get the kids in the better

Thanks for the insight Bond.

So I read that as we have probably persevered a bit longer with some players than we should.

That investing in long term 'project players' is a inefficent use of time and limited resources.

Drafting players who are closer to being ready to contribute is also important. Either as kids with more mature bodies or simply mature age recruits using later picks?

 

[dajesmac]

I don’t think he’s really got a lot of hurt factor. I’ve seen lots of players of his type come through the system, guys that can find the ball and use it reasonably well but he’s the type who likes the game on very particular terms.
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Fair enough, I liked his work in the clinches on the footage. How would you compare him to Partington?

 

[Godfather32]

Moved on all non - elite players over 28. Create cap space and game time for young players.

Had a dabble at Matera since i think he is a player with considerable ability, is still only 25 and Freo got him for virtually nothing.

Since we would have a lot of spots to fill i would have looked at mature players in early 20's in WAFL/SANFL etc to bring in via rookie draft to fill holes in list as opposed to using 4th/5th/6th round picks or whatever to go after another 17 year old nobody else rated. Because i think that too much emphasis is placed on the 17 year olds and there are probably talented mature age players in secondary comps that are better bets to become solid role players for us than 17 year olds at long odds picks.

It is my personal belief that both draft picks before used and the 17 year olds drafted with them are over valued at the trade table by the general market and existing players are under rated. This is because to both recruiters and supporters a draft pick and/or 17 year old is like a blank canvas. You can project all your hopes on to it. You can imagine in your mind it is going to materialise into a player that is cross between Diesel Williams, Chris Judd and Patty Dangerfield all at once. But when the draft pick or 17 year old draftee becomes a player who is is 2 - 5 years into his career all of his limitations and the fact that he will not become the once in a generation player player you fantasised about in your dreams before and just after drafting them is now evident. Schache is a prime example. He was pick 2 and the next Wayne Carey 2 years ago. Now nobody even wants to cough up a second round pick for him.

So i would do a mass cull, compile cap space by bringing forward contracts, look to fill the holes on list with mature agers and hope 1 in 3 can become a 5 year plus player for us. And have a long hard look at how to use the ample money we have to improve our outcomes in drafting and development.

But this would be a big project. The club would have to condition the supporter base to expect and tolerate a slide down the ladder for next few years. The supporter base is currently not expecting this and if not conditioned to expect and accept it then there will be considerable public pressure on the club. Think Ross Lyon at the start of this season. Every interview he did he kept playing down expectations and telling the supporter base not to expect finals etc. He was relentless at staying on that message in every interview. That is what Simpson and co would have to do.

We have moved on quite a few of our non-elite players over 28 (with probably 1 or 2 more to come). The rest are contracted.

We will likely be looking to use a few of our draft picks on mature age players, we've been linked to quite few already.

I'm not disagreeing with you on the 17 year old thing but if you never draft any young players until they show something you'll never get the chance to get any top line talent in the draft at all because they'll all have been taken by other teams. It's a risk you have to take.

We have done a fairly big list cull considering you can't just dump contracted players and we still need to make a mandatory number of list changes next year as well. We also have a shitload of cap space but none of the A-grade talent wanted to come here, we could have overpaid for Rockliff and Motlop etc but I'm very glad we didn't. You still need reasonably high picks to get decent mature age talent which is part of the reason we wanted the extra 2nd rounders this year. It's not like the old days where no one is watching the WAFL and we could take our pick of whatever we wanted.

It seems like everything you've stated you would do differently is what we're actually doing, apart from the tanking thing, which would be stupid given how close the league has been the last few seasons and the fact that we still have plenty of A-grade talent in Shuey, Nic Nat, McGovern, Yeo and Kennedy in the side. Fix our midfield through the draft this off-season and we're a genuine chance next year imo.

 

[eagle dtrain]

Meanwhile, Freo land pick 2 and Matera.

Why are we so shit at this?

Maybe we should offer Masten for GC's first pick next year?

We did very well today our pick swap was fantastic. We can now bring a batch of players through together and start a mini rebuild on the run while still having a competitive side. Brilliant work by Rawlings pity we dont have a better draft guru hopefully O'Brien can prove me wrong he is certainly due.

And in regard to Freo they got a magnificent result well played to them.

We had no chance of getting Wilson or Matera they nominated Freo what else do you want the club to do.

 

[Bender_]

"Why can't we be more like Freo?"

There's a sign right there that you've gone too far the other way.

 

[Always Ballin]

We have major athleticism now. And we haven't even stretched yet.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Giving up a first round pick, in a superdraft for a 2nd rounders in what has been described as a weak draft, is mind boggling.

Mincho - we like to welcome opposition posters to our board and realise that yes, there are other opinions and views and some externalisation is healthy.

You do realise you come from a club who have failed miserably in list management since conception. Your best achievements to date have been awful and continue to reflect your inability build a great list. Examples
1) Investing a first round pick on Apeness in the hope that he take over from Pav yet he couldn't has the turning circle of a Mac truck
2) It took you 8 years to realise that Chris Mayne was hopeless while Collingwood in their football management crisis year found out in less than 4 moths
3) You had 2 McGovern sons play football under your noses and yet you managed to overlook them for multiple draft years (probably thought you did not need talls as you never properly invest in KPP)
4) Your KPP future lies on the hope with a man who has had back to back broken legs and not played for 2 years, an undersized GWS cry baby who ismore like our mistake of Masten and is about as soft, paying the premium for an oversized midfielder only to hope Logan can only play full back (can't say I know when the last full back was taken in the top 10), a local Docker fan taken early by Melbourne who has such a strong pull home that he keeps signing extension at Melbourne, oh I could go on but it bores me.

This is not a shit draft. Here are some statements/observations that have been made about the draft
- It is void of elite talent at the very pointy end - so nice for you to have 2 in the top 5 but there are no Weiterings, Petrecca, Roughie, Hodge, Coniglio type gems worth getting such early picks
- It is a midfielder draft meaning West Coast are investing in an area that we have gaps in our list
- It is pretty even in the late 1st round to mid 3rd round where we hold 4 picks
- It drops off at the late 3rd to 4th round where we have 1 pick we are not sure whether we will use
- We will move back in 2018 a short number of picks in a very deep draft meaning the depth is there to not get worried if you drop back 6 to 7 places

I have been quite critical of my own club's performance in drafting in recent years. I believe our moves this year were great and I believe we are finally going to manage the list in the way we have managed our finances. About bloody time.

By the way, excellent negotiation with Weller. Great outcome and in all earnest, well done. My comments are not feelings of being bitter. More pity that you know Jack Shit about list management and come on here spouting rubbish.

I will welcome you back with open arms when you have seen enough U18 football to have witnessed the talent, when you have been doing it for long enough to not get caught up in the year to year emotional roller coaster and when you can articulate with facts and not just throw away lines.

Until then, best go back and pay homage to Ross. I actually want you to win a flag soon. Freo are like a younger brother running around trying to dry hump anything and everything because they are yet to experience the real deal. Maybe when you get some action you might realise how small your thoughts are!

 

[Longwthebreeze]

Stoked with what the club has done! I'll back us to find at least 3 out of 5 future, quality best 22 players in the draft. The Redden trade will start to pay off as Priddis replacement and Ah Chee will get a good run at it in the guts w pace and x factor.
A refreshed game plan and a harder preseason where we actually run out a 4th quarter- the main factors in us having a good year....


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[eagle dtrain]

How did the tigers get 17, 20 and 25? wow.

Delidio pick

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Mincho - we like to welcome opposition posters to our board and realise that yes, there are other opinions and views and some externalisation is healthy.

You do realise you come from a club who have failed miserably in list management since conception. Your best achievements to date have been awful and continue to reflect your inability build a great list. Examples
1) Investing a first round pick on Apeness in the hope that he take over from Pav yet he couldn't has the turning circle of a Mac truck
2) It took you 8 years to realise that Chris Mayne was hopeless while Collingwood in their football management crisis year found out in less than 4 moths
3) You had 2 McGovern sons play football under your noses and yet you managed to overlook them for multiple draft years (probably thought you did not need talls as you never properly invest in KPP)
4) Your KPP future lies on the hope with a man who has had back to back broken legs and not played for 2 years, an undersized GWS cry baby who ismore like our mistake of Masten and is about as soft, paying the premium for an oversized midfielder only to hope Logan can only play full back (can't say I know when the last full back was taken in the top 10), a local Docker fan taken early by Melbourne who has such a strong pull home that he keeps signing extension at Melbourne, oh I could go on but it bores me.

This is not a shit draft. Here are some statements/observations that have been made about the draft
- It is void of elite talent at the very pointy end - so nice for you to have 2 in the top 5 but there are no Weiterings, Petrecca, Ruchie, Hodge, Coniglio type gems worth getting such early picks
- It is a midfielder draft meaning West Coast are investing in an area that we have gaps in our list
- It is pretty even in the late 1st round to mid 3rd round where we hold 4 picks
- It drops off at the late 3rd to 4th round where we have 1 pick we are not sure whether we will use
- We will move back in 2018 a short number of picks in a very deep draft meaning the depth is there to not get worried if you drop back 6 to 7 places

I have been quite critical of my own club's performance in drafting in recent years. I believe our moves this year were great and I believe we are finally going to manage the list in the way we have managed our finances. About bloody time.

By the way, excellent negotiation with Weller. Great outcome and in all earnest, well done. My comments are not feelings of being bitter. More pity that you know Jack Shit about list management and come on here spouting rubbish.

I will welcome you back with open arms when you have seen enough U18 football to have witnessed the talent, when you have been doing it for long enough to not get caught up in the year to year emotional roller coaster and when you can articulate with facts and not just throw away lines.

Until then, best go back and pay homage to Ross. I actually want you to win a flag soon. Freo are like a younger brother running around trying to dry hump anything and everything because they are yet to experience the real deal. Maybe when you get some action you might realise how small your thoughts are!

10/10

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

F No, he's not as soft as Wells was.

Eh as you like. Wells a very good tackler.

 

[all that jazz]

I was wondering whether there were any talls that would stop us taking a midfielder as our first pick!

 

[Shmiddy15]

Moved on all non - elite players over 28. Create cap space and game time for young players.

Had a dabble at Matera since i think he is a player with considerable ability, is still only 25 and Freo got him for virtually nothing.

Since we would have a lot of spots to fill i would have looked at mature players in early 20's in WAFL/SANFL etc to bring in via rookie draft to fill holes in list as opposed to using 4th/5th/6th round picks or whatever to go after another 17 year old nobody else rated. Because i think that too much emphasis is placed on the 17 year olds and there are probably talented mature age players in secondary comps that are better bets to become solid role players for us than 17 year olds at long odds picks.

It is my personal belief that both draft picks before used and the 17 year olds drafted with them are over valued at the trade table by the general market and existing players are under rated. This is because to both recruiters and supporters a draft pick and/or 17 year old is like a blank canvas. You can project all your hopes on to it. You can imagine in your mind it is going to materialise into a player that is cross between Diesel Williams, Chris Judd and Patty Dangerfield all at once. But when the draft pick or 17 year old draftee becomes a player who is is 2 - 5 years into his career all of his limitations and the fact that he will not become the once in a generation player player you fantasised about in your dreams before and just after drafting them is now evident. Schache is a prime example. He was pick 2 and the next Wayne Carey 2 years ago. Now nobody even wants to cough up a second round pick for him.

So i would do a mass cull, compile cap space by bringing forward contracts, look to fill the holes on list with mature agers and hope 1 in 3 can become a 5 year plus player for us. And have a long hard look at how to use the ample money we have to improve our outcomes in drafting and development.

But this would be a big project. The club would have to condition the supporter base to expect and tolerate a slide down the ladder for next few years. The supporter base is currently not expecting this and if not conditioned to expect and accept it then there will be considerable public pressure on the club. Think Ross Lyon at the start of this season. Every interview he did he kept playing down expectations and telling the supporter base not to expect finals etc. He was relentless at staying on that message in every interview. That is what Simpson and co would have to do.

I just don't agree that there is a whole lot of value in drafting a raft of mature age players. Sure, sometimes they do work out, but for the most part there is a reason they haven't been picked, and that is generally because they're average. I don't see a benefit in moving on our average 28 year olds and simply replacing them with a bunch of average 23 year olds

 

[Monocle]

Right on cue...... In comes Asterix.

Mincho - we like to welcome opposition posters to our board and realise that yes, there are other opinions and views and some externalisation is healthy.

You do realise you come from a club who have failed miserably in list management since conception. Your best achievements to date have been awful and continue to reflect your inability build a great list. Examples
1) Investing a first round pick on Apeness in the hope that he take over from Pav yet he couldn't has the turning circle of a Mac truck
2) It took you 8 years to realise that Chris Mayne was hopeless while Collingwood in their football management crisis year found out in less than 4 moths
3) You had 2 McGovern sons play football under your noses and yet you managed to overlook them for multiple draft years (probably thought you did not need talls as you never properly invest in KPP)
4) Your KPP future lies on the hope with a man who has had back to back broken legs and not played for 2 years, an undersized GWS cry baby who ismore like our mistake of Masten and is about as soft, paying the premium for an oversized midfielder only to hope Logan can only play full back (can't say I know when the last full back was taken in the top 10), a local Docker fan taken early by Melbourne who has such a strong pull home that he keeps signing extension at Melbourne, oh I could go on but it bores me.

This is not a shit draft. Here are some statements/observations that have been made about the draft
- It is void of elite talent at the very pointy end - so nice for you to have 2 in the top 5 but there are no Weiterings, Petrecca, Roughie, Hodge, Coniglio type gems worth getting such early picks
- It is a midfielder draft meaning West Coast are investing in an area that we have gaps in our list
- It is pretty even in the late 1st round to mid 3rd round where we hold 4 picks
- It drops off at the late 3rd to 4th round where we have 1 pick we are not sure whether we will use
- We will move back in 2018 a short number of picks in a very deep draft meaning the depth is there to not get worried if you drop back 6 to 7 places

I have been quite critical of my own club's performance in drafting in recent years. I believe our moves this year were great and I believe we are finally going to manage the list in the way we have managed our finances. About bloody time.

By the way, excellent negotiation with Weller. Great outcome and in all earnest, well done. My comments are not feelings of being bitter. More pity that you know Jack Shit about list management and come on here spouting rubbish.

I will welcome you back with open arms when you have seen enough U18 football to have witnessed the talent, when you have been doing it for long enough to not get caught up in the year to year emotional roller coaster and when you can articulate with facts and not just throw away lines.

Until then, best go back and pay homage to Ross. I actually want you to win a flag soon. Freo are like a younger brother running around trying to dry hump anything and everything because they are yet to experience the real deal. Maybe when you get some action you might realise how small your thoughts are!

Argh yes ...."The Subtle Art of Dialogue" with A Purple.

 

[Jako Darling]

Giving up a first round pick, in a superdraft for a 2nd rounders in what has been described as a weak draft, is mind boggling.

Not when suns get the spoon and we finish top 8..