2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 4

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Any thoughts on Dunstans last 2 games -32 and 30 touches , pretty much outstanding.
Would be sad to lose the guy once he has come good and he is only 23 , any thoughts on this - I really don't know if pick 8 and him is to much
When confronted with a complex problem there is always a simple answer, unfortunately it's always the wrong answer.

The Luke Dunstan issue is complex, and is a problem we already have, Armo.
On the keep him side, he bleeds RWB, he's finally coming good and not just a little good but showing that he can be excellent, indeed a potential future captain.
On the trade him side, he fulfils a role that we have in excess, Ross, Steele, Steven, Stevens and Acres can all fill his role and each of them have more strings to their bows. Luke's big thing is inside, he needs to be better at that role than all the above by a large margin.
Further complicating the issue is who we trade in and if we trade someone in. If that person has inside talents it pushes Luke further back down the pecking order, going from being borderline best 22 to VFL regular relying on injuries to get a game.
All our young players have trade value, and if we put Billings, Gresham and Sinclair in the mix they are all more versatile and have higher trade value, but equally are more important to keep.
Luke needs more possessions, he needs to lose some pounds, tackle more, to run more, further and faster, remember all of his team mates are progressing as well. If Luke stalls or doesn't come on as well as the others he's going from borderline to very tradeable next year.
The best outcome for Luke is if we go to the draft, Armo doesn't get back to his best and Kobe gets an injury. If we go to the draft we better not get Bonar for example, he'll be putting a lot of pressure on from underneath it maybe that for each year that we hold on to Luke we'll be having the same conversation, just as we have about the worth of keeping Armo for the last three or four years. Three years ago it was "He bleeds RWB is a potential captain, leadership potential, midfield bull, just coming good etc"

There isn't a right answer, but if we trade someone in a Sloane or Parker, even an outside runner like Gaff, then Luke might be better off looking somewhere else, the pressure for midfield time and place inn the next three years will escalate dramatically.
 

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Any thoughts on Dunstans last 2 games -32 and 30 touches , pretty much outstanding.
Would be sad to lose the guy once he has come good and he is only 23 , any thoughts on this - I really don't know if pick 8 and him is to much
I think Luke is being used in these posts because he is from Sth Aust.
That was my thoughts.
But if Sloane does come to us a good young player would be involved
 

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Bruce isn't going anywhere. He is prominently featured in all our 2018 membership advertising, meaning he will not be traded and isn't on the table. Unless we are offered a mega god father deal for him, which wont happen.

Please dont waste people's time with hypothetical Bruce trades.
Again Bruce isn't as valuable as Dunstan.
And if it means bringing in an even more marketable player in Sloan...the the hypothetical is worth the discussion...no doubt the club will have a very similar one.
 

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Dunstan is one the few players we have who really really seems to care about winning. Absolutely gutted if we lose one we should have won. I see him as a future captain if he maintains his progress. Would not trade ATM.

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Again Bruce isn't as valuable as Dunstan.
And if it means bringing in an even more marketable player in Sloan...the the hypothetical is worth the discussion...no doubt the club will have a very similar one.
Also in relation to the 'too many inside mids' discussion on here....To put it simply...Armo has to go, he is cooked.
 

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When confronted with a complex problem there is always a simple answer, unfortunately it's always the wrong answer.

The Luke Dunstan issue is complex, and is a problem we already have, Armo.
On the keep him side, he bleeds RWB, he's finally coming good and not just a little good but showing that he can be excellent, indeed a potential future captain.
On the trade him side, he fulfils a role that we have in excess, Ross, Steele, Steven, Stevens and Acres can all fill his role and each of them have more strings to their bows. Luke's big thing is inside, he needs to be better at that role than all the above by a large margin.
Further complicating the issue is who we trade in and if we trade someone in. If that person has inside talents it pushes Luke further back down the pecking order, going from being borderline best 22 to VFL regular relying on injuries to get a game.
All our young players have trade value, and if we put Billings, Gresham and Sinclair in the mix they are all more versatile and have higher trade value, but equally are more important to keep.
Luke needs more possessions, he needs to lose some pounds, tackle more, to run more, further and faster, remember all of his team mates are progressing as well. If Luke stalls or doesn't come on as well as the others he's going from borderline to very tradeable next year.
The best outcome for Luke is if we go to the draft, Armo doesn't get back to his best and Kobe gets an injury. If we go to the draft we better not get Bonar for example, he'll be putting a lot of pressure on from underneath it maybe that for each year that we hold on to Luke we'll be having the same conversation, just as we have about the worth of keeping Armo for the last three or four years. Three years ago it was "He bleeds RWB is a potential captain, leadership potential, midfield bull, just coming good etc"

There isn't a right answer, but if we trade someone in a Sloane or Parker, even an outside runner like Gaff, then Luke might be better off looking somewhere else, the pressure for midfield time and place inn the next three years will escalate dramatically.
The fact that he's finally coming good means he's actually worth something on the trade table as well which is a good thing.
 

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I don't want to trade Dunstan out at all personally.
In addition, it worries me to trade him out when Armo had an injury - ridden season and has himself admitted that he has "the back of a 70 year old."
What happens if he can't play the season out and we've traded out Dunstan?
 

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Yeah Cotchin was a top 10 pick, Dusty a top 10 pick, JRoo and Rance high picks. Yeah they are shit. It was all Prestia and Caddy that made them win.
weren't they also both taken in the top 10 of their respective drafts!?

BTW, Billy Hartung is out of contract. Could be a nice moneyball target and fill a position of need.
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So am I. Everything seemed to click at the end of this year. He's a keeper.

If you read the Sloane thread on the Adelaide board they seem to think Dunstan is an ordinary player or at best a good ordinary player. Their perception is certainly different to mine, but then again I watch Dunstan play most weeks.

They seem to think Sloane is going. The consensus is they think he may be Saints bound.

Was Sloane in an online business with one of the Cornes lads? Because according to the Adelaide board it has been shut down or gone into indefinite repair. I have no idea whether this is significant but they seem to think it is.
They probably all thought that about Dean Gore as well,who was involved in the Dangerfield trade.
 
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I don't want to trade Dunstan out at all personally.
In addition, it worries me to trade him out when Armo had an injury - ridden season and has himself admitted that he has "the back of a 70 year old."
What happens if he can't play the season out and we've traded out Dunstan?
We mite give Sloane a game
 

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If indeed Sloane is keen to get back to Melbourne and chose us,i think the R1 pick 2018 and Dunstan deal is doable and would suit Adelaide as well.
Adelaide are looking for 2x1st round picks for Lever but i think a 1st and 2nd pick will get the job done.
If Cameron goes to Brisbane,Adelaide are likely to receive either pick 18 or 19.
So for the 2018 Draft, Adelaide can use picks 10,16 and 18 or 19 as top 20 picks and gain Dunstan.
Then go into 2019,with another 2x1st round picks.Their own and Ours.Five 1st rd picks spread out over 2 seasons.
I am a Luke Dunstan fan,think he is going to be a very good player,but if we aquire Sloane and hopefully Armo gets back on the field,we will have a talented surpluce of players running around at Sandy.
And if Freeman also comes good his pace will put him above a few others,so we can afford to offload a player.
As Stavros said we then still have many more scenarios with what to do with our 2x1st rounders.
As stated many times,by many we need a star and i like the above scenario,just need to get it done.
Good post, makes a lot of sense.

It would be disappointing to lose Luke, and I also expect that he'll have a really good career now that he's gotten back on track, but on the other hand, if Sloane came in, he'd be in the middle with Stuv and Seb, and then there's Steele, plus Armo, if he gets back (so that's already 5 strong inside options) and then there's Koby as a depth option for any of them and then there are the likes of Acres, Gresham and Freeman who will hopefully all be really ready for more midfield opportunities.

So there would be a heap of inside options, and I reckon the balance would be better if we brought Rory in for Luke and Koby.

I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we got Sloane and kept Luke, but if putting Luke on the table clinched Rory, I doubt I'd hesitate in doing the deal.

The pick that we save could then be used on someone who has more run and carry and hopefully skill to their game, to help us get an even better inside/outside balance.
 
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I know everyone's being linked to Carlton and it's becoming a bit of a running gag, but if Sloane was to ask to be traded, Carlton would have to be in with a pretty serious shot, given that they have someone in Gibbs that Adelaide would be extremely keen on in a trade, they have ample cap space for Rory- especially now that they've missed on Rockliff- and they need an inside type like him even more than we do. Possibly a lot more than we do.

It could easily be something that works out pretty well for all parties.
 
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Steele Acres koby predominantly with Ross Gresham Newnes Steven all playing inside and outside. That's without developing and drafting more. When you add Dunstan too the list our team is unbalanced. If what I heard is true Mav was supposed to be playing onball in stints too this year. So plenty of development scope across all players.
no offence but mav is a worker but he is very average and if we have to rely on him as a mid , god help us.
If we get a couple more players in the draft or trades he will be lucky to get a game,
He has been with us for 4 years and has shown everyone he tries his heart out and he is in our leadership group,
but just have a look at his stats for a full time defensive forward - 3.7 tackles and 0.5 goals a game

2017 18 games -- 16.5 touches -- 11 goals -- 2.7 clangers -- Effective Disposals Per Game 11.5
2016 22 games -- 16.4 touches -- 24 goals -- 2.2 clangers -- Effective Disposals Per Game 12
2015 20 games -- 17 touches -- 12 goals -- 2.4 clangers --- Effective Disposals Per Game 11.8
2014 16 games -- 14.9 touches -- 3 goals -- 1.8 clangers --- Effective Disposals Per Game 9.8
average 85% game time
average tackles 3.7
Effective Disposals Per Game 11.
 

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Just a few topics of conversation i'd like to address.

Sloane is a machine and i would love him at the Saints but i think many need to realize that with FA is just a year away what he might be worth shouldn't be what we offer. I believe we should just offer pick 8, Adelaide would then need to consider that next year at his age the best they would receive would be an end of first round pick.

Gaff is worth a high first round pick and both clubs know this, so the only way Acres name would of been mentioned would be because of the rebuttal offer from WCE with us sarcastically saying " Hell why not Acres and 7 then".

Say what you want about Hartung but the kid has an engine. Decent efficiency when he has the ball although he doesn't get to many contested possessions with his ability to run and carry which is what we lack i would be happy with him in our team.

In terms of just trade Bruce is much more valuable then Dunstan, Key Fwds are harder to develop and with the majority of draftees being midfielders you only offer a lot for a mid if they are elite. In terms of what their value is to the club internally i'm not sure but with Roo gone our young Fwds will now be looking at Bruce for guidance and if Dunstan is displaying leadership qualities he is exactly the type of clubmen we need. And when it comes to who features on our 2018 membership advertising i seem to remember getting merchandise with Goddard still on it when he left, that stuff is done months ago.

 

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Pwoah that Lever thread is absolutely melt city.
And I thought we loved a good melt in here..
Absolutely ******* glorious.

One bloke wishing he did an ACL :eek:

Lever though is a campaigner. In his televised interview no less says if he can't get a trade he'll go to the draft. Talk about shafting your club both ways
 
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