2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 4

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Gaff would be a nice get. But here's the thing, at no point has he stated he wants to come back to Melbourne. Also, why would the Eagles want to trade him out? Sure, they might want to get their hands on pick 8 but trading out one of their best midfielders would be a pretty dumb way of doing it.

We worked last trade period well, now with 7 and 8 we are in a position to draft two very good players. I'm no draft expert but looking at the potential top 10 of this years draft, there should be some very good players available. If we want to get talent in to improve us now then look at Rockliff or Motlop as free agents.

I just think we waste our breath talking about these guys that are contracted and haven't stated at all that they want to move. I mean Petracca was just mentioned. Why in their right mind would Melbourne trade him now? Laughable suggestion. Why not target Dangerfield while we're at it?

I think the trade that would have the most chance is if we really want Rayner, then we trade 7 and 8 for pick 1 and change.
 

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JB prefers playing half forward. I for one would be ecstatic if he stayed at half forward for his whole career and became a match winner from there.
Next year he will be a 25 and 2 player across half forward, why would we ever want to move him?
When we picked him i could see him playing a similar role to Bartel.
 

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Dal was an awesome and underrated player.

Now you can bend the numbers anyway you want to fit your narrative.
Maybe dal kicked a few more snags.
Not many more but ok.

Bottom line gaff haters is this:
Saints major weakness right now is run/spreading from packs.
You can name all gaffs weaknesses all day long but his strength is in his running and finding space and linking up play.
Its what we need.
Gaff does it to an AA standard.
once in 2015 he made all australian ... im not saying Gaff isnt a good player but is he the guy that will propel us from 11th into the top 6 teams ? i dont think he is as i said i watch pretty much every WCE game and i can only from recent memory think of a handful of games (this year against the dogs and last year against the hawks and then the Crows) where he went to town on a team..
yes he will improve our team and yes he would be in the top 5 players in our club but for the cost to get him i think we are burning draft pick just to land someone/anyone ...
if pick 8 would do it on its own fine but thats not going to cut it
 
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once in 2015 he made all australian ... im not saying Gaff isnt a good player but is he the guy that will propel us from 11th into the top 6 teams ? i dont think he is as i said i watch pretty much every WCE game and i can only from recent memory think of a handful of games (this year against the dogs and last year against the hawks and then the Crows) where he went to town on a team..
yes he will improve our team and yes he would be in the top 5 players in our club but for the cost to get him i think we are burning draft pick just to land someone/anyone ...
if pick 8 would do it on its own fine but thats not going to cut it
Our weakness is gaffs strength.
I do believe, he, or a player with similar attributes would really help our side, as well as sinclairs natural progression will help that weakness next year.
 

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would be better going for stringer.

As talented as Petracca with the same dickhead tendencies, but much cheaper

Yep Giving up 7 and 8 for Petracca and I'm burning my memberships. That would be the biggest waste of picks ever. He's an okay player but he is way over hyped and worth an early second round pick on current output.
 
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Dal was an awesome and underrated player.

Now you can bend the numbers anyway you want to fit your narrative.
Maybe dal kicked a few more snags.
Not many more but ok.

Bottom line gaff haters is this:
Saints major weakness right now is run/spreading from packs.
You can name all gaffs weaknesses all day long but his strength is in his running and finding space and linking up play.
Its what we need.
Gaff does it to an AA standard.
Anyone see Richo on 360 last night? His focus from the finals has been on 'tackling v REALLY tackling' (ie dispossessing) . There is nothing I hate more than seeing opposition brush off our tacklers & get off an effective possession.

The intent to tackle needs to be a prerequisite to all 22 players in my opinion. None of this "it's not his job" rubbish. If it is good enough for Dangerfield, Selwood, Sloane, etc, then it has to apply to all our players. I don't care what stats say about quantity of tackles, I just don't see the intent from Gaff to hold up his end if the bargain. You can still be a running outside player & tackle with intent!
 

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Gaff is a good player of course but there's outside midfielders and then there's Gaff, if he was any more outside he'd be in the parking lot. Big do or die final last weekend and he had 1 contested possession and 2 tackles, soft as. On top of that, he's not damaging enough on the outside to make up for his complete lack of inside game. Kicked just 6 goals in 24 games this season, and his ball use isn't as good or damaging as you'd expect for someone that always has the ball in space.

IMO he's not a big enough upgrade on our current wingers (Sinclair/Newnes) to justify giving up a top 10 pick and good $$ for, not to mention that WCE are notoriously difficult to trade with. They'd almost certainly want Acres plus a draft pick, spew. Hard pass. If we're interested see if we can get him as a FA next year.
 

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Great trade for us but it isn't going to happen.

How is it a great trade for us? The only ones to make out like bandits are the crows who get way overs for Lever and the Dees are pretty much break even. The only team to absolutely lose are us. Patricia isn't what we need and isn't that good. I would struggle to pay that much for Josh Kelly and he's not even in the same universe as Petracca.
 

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Yep Giving up 7 and 8 for Petracca and I'm burning my memberships. That would be the biggest waste of picks ever. He's an okay player but he is way over hyped and worth an early second round pick on current output.

Pick 20 for him so what does that make McCartin? He is worth 2 picks that will likely get two goodish players based on this years kids apparently. The kid will be a star. He just does things others cant.
 

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How is it a great trade for us? The only ones to make out like bandits are the crows who get way overs for Lever and the Dees are pretty much break even. The only team to absolutely lose are us. Patricia isn't what we need and isn't that good. I would struggle to pay that much for Josh Kelly and he's not even in the same universe as Petracca.

Well if you wouldn't pay that for Kelly then you have no idea and I say that in the kindest way.
 
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Anyone see Richo on 360 last night? His focus from the finals has been on 'tackling v REALLY tackling' (ie dispossessing) . There is nothing I hate more than seeing opposition brush off our tacklers & get off an effective possession.

The intent to tackle needs to be a prerequisite to all 22 players in my opinion. None of this "it's not his job" rubbish. If it is good enough for Dangerfield, Selwood, Sloane, etc, then it has to apply to all our players. I don't care what stats say about quantity of tackles, I just don't see the intent from Gaff to hold up his end if the bargain. You can still be a running outside player & tackle with intent!
I agree with the tackling bit richo said.
Also with your view, i hate when they lay the tackle only for the opponent to hand the ball off.
But your being silly with the comparisons to danger and selwood.
The cats have plenty of outside players that average only 2 or so tackles a game.
Same with any club.
 

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the North period dilutes that.. Dal kickd 16 goals in 3 seasons with them.. in his last 6 years with us Dal kicked 80 goals ... in 7 years Gaff has played he has 55..
only once in Gaff's career has he kicked over 10 goals for a season dal did that 8 times ...
Moral of the story:
Ignore Dals whole career when it doesn't support my arguement... but include his whole career when it does. o_O

Gaff has what 9 less years of football under his belt than dal played?
Hardly apples and apples at this point.

Also someone posted gaffs heatmap for the year recently.
He doesn't kick goals because he WC play him behind centre wing.
 

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Pick 20 for him so what does that make McCartin? He is worth 2 picks that will likely get two goodish players based on this years kids apparently. The kid will be a star. He just does things others cant.

But only twice a game. He's not that good, he's like an flashier Minchington who probably never transitions to the midfield due to his bulk. Mc cartin would probably cost a late first early second if a club wanted him, he would get that on potential not output. I would rather take our picks to the draft. Patricia does nothing to suggest at this point he will make it to an elite player. If you said Oliver I'd take notice, he will be a special player.
 

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How is it a great trade for us? The only ones to make out like bandits are the crows who get way overs for Lever and the Dees are pretty much break even. The only team to absolutely lose are us. Patricia isn't what we need and isn't that good. I would struggle to pay that much for Josh Kelly and he's not even in the same universe as Petracca.
Petracca is a beast and if we picked him in the draft we would raving about his potential. Looking back at that years draft if we had picks 1 and 7,8 (hypothetical) we would have tried to trade 7,8 up to 2 and picked both Mccartin and Petracca. Petracca could possibly be as good as danger and dusty. Thats how highly I rate him. 7,8could be good players in this draft where as we know Traccs is going to be a beast in our mid
 

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Gaff is a good player of course but there's outside midfielders and then there's Gaff, if he was any more outside he'd be in the parking lot. Big do or die final last weekend and he had 1 contested possession and 2 tackles, soft as. On top of that, he's not damaging enough on the outside to make up for his complete lack of inside game. Kicked just 6 goals in 24 games this season, and his ball use isn't as good or damaging as you'd expect for someone that always has the ball in space.

IMO he's not a big enough upgrade on our current wingers (Sinclair/Newnes) to justify giving up a top 10 pick and good $$ for, not to mention that WCE are notoriously difficult to trade with. They'd almost certainly want Acres plus a draft pick, spew. Hard pass. If we're interested see if we can get him as a FA next year.
Agree mate. If you are a pure outside mid like Gaff is then you want to be pretty damaging. Gaff's skills are neat but nowhere near elite. He's not creative & as you mentioned he doesn't hit the scoreboard. I don't think you could find a more vanilla footballer.

Now that I've given Gaff a whack I will say that he certainly has his positives. He's a genuine run & carry player that basically plays the Nick Riewoldt role but as a small mid. He doesn't provide a marking target but he does find space. He's basically the link between half back & half forward - which Roo did for us.

I'm not a massive Gaff fan but I do see a requirement for his type. I'd give pick 8 up for him but nothing more. But can certainly see an argument against that. Include Acres? Yea same mate I'd vomit.
 

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But only twice a game. He's not that good, he's like an flashier Minchington who probably never transitions to the midfield due to his bulk. Mc cartin would probably cost a late first early second if a club wanted him, he would get that on potential not output. I would rather take our picks to the draft. Patricia does nothing to suggest at this point he will make it to an elite player. If you said Oliver I'd take notice, he will be a special player.
I'm not sure you watch a lot of footy outside of St Kilda games?
 

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Well if you wouldn't pay that for Kelly then you have no idea and I say that in the kindest way.

I'd pay it because that's what he would cost but it's still a big price paying 2 top 10 picks for any player. If you do they want to be absolute blue chip players that are elite or on the cusp of it. Petracca might be a very good player but he's not what we need and not better than anyone we already have on our list. Acres and Petracca are probably at a similar career point, both have shown potential but no way would anyone pay pick 7 and 8 for him.
 
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I agree with the tackling bit richo said.
Also with your view, i hate when they lay the tackle only for the opponent to hand the ball off.
But your being silly with the comparisons to danger and selwood.
The cats have plenty of outside players that average only 2 or so tackles a game.
Same with any club.
What about Treloar then for a comparison? Averages triple the career tackles of Gaff. Had 15 in one game this season & he is hardly an in & under type.
 
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