2017 Trade & FA Targets - The Last Supper #Ameetos

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ill let it go because i have zero interest into getting into a boring as batshite debate with you that just brings the whole forum down...
here to not having pick 7&8 or maybe having 7&8 or maybe having something else or having nothing ?!?!? either way ill be disapointed ?!?!??! possibly
thank you :thumbsu:
 

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I highly doubt Carlton are going to let us upgrade from 8 to 3 by giving them a future second.
was thinking the same ... if Carlton were to do that why wouldnt they just deal exclusivly with Brisbane and give pick 3 for him and get 19 back or Brissys second rounder .. dont see the need to involve us at all in that
 

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The kid is contracted and happy to stay or so Brisbane say, he has protected them by signing a 2 year extension.

Brisbane are happy to trade him and he's happy to go if the right trade can be made, Collingwood have pick 6 that with something coming back would make Brisbane very happy.

Why is the kid a mummy's boy because he wants to play his football in his home state closer to his family, seems pretty reasonable to me.
So you would be happy if the GOAT wanted to go back to Perth??

As I said it might come down to which club is more desperate to land Schache - Brions might be happy to receive pick 8 rather than having to also give back to get pick 6 - who knows?

Just trying to get Saints in on the action and upgrade into the top 3 whilst keeping it simple and allowing us to keep our pick 7
 

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He's sooky because he hardly tried all year. He should say he's happy to get back to a melbourne club to try to help out Brisbane. He signed a two year contract so he's a weird unit. Players who want out after 2 or 3 years probably should have told them at the draft interviews.
I can live with the homesickness reason I guess, but I don't believe he should be able to choose which club he wants to go to after "5 minutes" in the game. Isn't that the reward for players who become free agents or even delisted free agents and who have spent many years at their clubs?

If we, for example, offered Brisbane the best deal, then so be it. He's still back home. It's really not fair to clubs who use very good draft picks for players who choose to leave after two years.

Cripps, I'm looking at you!
 

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interesting comment from the hodge scenarios. because he signed the retirement form, it means he doesnt classify as a DFA, which means hawthorn can still trade and get something for him
Wasn't that rule introduced after Mal Michael "retired" and then announced he was going to Essendon in the PSD
 

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He comes across as a broken player (mentally). A club will likely pick him up for an early-mid 2nd rounder. I doubt he makes it longterm as an afl player.
Collingwood would be the last club I would go to if that was the case. The scrutiny would be 1000x worse than anything he had at Brisbane
 

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Why arent we showing interest in Darcy Lang Cats wingmen. Is only 21 and from what I have seen is a goal kicking wingmen - surely a chance?
He's played some bloody good games against us in the last couple of years.

Also looked really good in the Swans final, but is very inconsistent. Might be worth a look.

Doesn't find heaps of it, but mostly uses it pretty well and averages over 5 tackles a game.
 

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He's sooky because he hardly tried all year. He should say he's happy to get back to a melbourne club to try to help out Brisbane. He signed a two year contract so he's a weird unit. Players who want out after 2 or 3 years probably should have told them at the draft interviews.
I might be wrong but I thought this kid was pretty pumped to get to Brisbane in the draft, shit happens and it obviously didn't work out.

There were suggestions when he signed on again that it was just to protect their investment, we can't have the beyondblue cup and other promotions if we only pay lip service to them.

I think it's a pretty good result all round if the deal to Collingwood gets done.

I'm sure plenty of kids and their parents have said don't pick me, someone mentioned Merrett earlier as someone who did that. IMHO clubs regularly draft kids who have expressed a desire to play elsewhere and back themselves in to change their minds, it must work because as we know few A graders change clubs.
 

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I can live with the homesickness reason I guess, but I don't believe he should be able to choose which club he wants to go to after "5 minutes" in the game. Isn't that the reward for players who become free agents or even delisted free agents and who have spent many years at their clubs?

If we, for example, offered Brisbane the best deal, then so be it. He's still back home. It's really not fair to clubs who use very good draft picks for players who choose to leave after two years.

Cripps, I'm looking at you!

Just one thing I would like to you and anyone else happy to answer. Would you be happy being forced into your first job at a company that is interstate and may have no interest in being there? My answer would be no. Would you like to go to the company of your choice? My answer is yes.
 

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Don't have time to respond to every post as I have certainly ruffled a few feathers and only have 15 minutes to punch this out then I am off to Thailand for a couple of weeks. This one is the last one I could see, so here goes. A couple of points before I answer your question more directly:

1. I don't think they are necessarily doing a bad job. However, I certainly am not willing to praise them as being anything other than about average or maybe slightly above relative to other list managers. Ameet seems good, Trout has done nothing to warrant the regular praise he gets, and it is too early to call Richo the right man for the job. He had a poor year IMO, however that is for another thread.
2. Based on point 1, I get frustrated when the underlying theme on here is that "we are in good hands". I feel some people assume that we have superior administration to other clubs. I don't see any evidence that points to this being true other than their being a good vibe amongst the group. It is yet to translate to either on-field success, or what I would perceive to be a gun young list poised to rise the ladder. We still have massive holes in our list that won't be fixed easily.
3. I get the 5 year plan was just a target. I for one never expected us to get there. That being said, it seems to also be being dismissed on here as irrelevant pretty damn quick.
4. Obviously nobody expects perfection on drafting night. However, if we nailed just 1-2 more decisions we would be in a completely different position right now. Hence why I am reluctant to label these guys gurus.

I am not going to sit here and claim I had enough foresight to have suggested any of the below pre draft. However, that is also not my job. You did ask for examples, so I am willing to throw a few out there that would have made a massive difference and put us in far greater shape:

2013: Billings was the obvious choice. Can't complain. However, we took Acres and Dunstan over Merrett and Crouch. We were told we would be focusing on foot skills. Merrett was a very big miss, foot skills, foot skills, foot skills...... Dunstan was considered to be a slider before the draft. We probably reached a little in the end. Crouch was a ball magnet in juniors, again a pretty big miss. Either of these 2 over Dunstan or Acres and we are much better team.

2014: McCartin over Petracca. Most clubs pick the absolute best talent with high end picks. We claim that we rated McCartin higher, but I am not convinced. I think Petracca was a flog in his interview and we were too scared to manage it. Almost everybody else rated Petracca the better player.

You couldn't fault the Goddard pick. It was the right call at the time despite not working out. McKenzie was a very poor selection. Not what we need at all. Poor foot skills and a half back flanker AGAIN (more on this later). Miller would have been nice, and exactly what we need.

Lonie was also a poor pick up in the context of Caleb Daniel being on the table. They are both midgets, why not pick the one who can actually play. Again, were is the focus on foot skills. Anybody who watched the champs that year could have told you Daniel had absolutely exquisite foot skills. The bloke literally never misses a target.

2015: Nailed it. However, drafted more back flankers (back to this point in a minute)

2016: Very average. Battle was an obvious pick that late, but regardless looks to be a decent call. Long was a shocker. I know it is early, but he can't even get near it at VFL level. Prior to being drafted didn't prove a thing. Kicked 4 Joe the Goose calls in junk time in a VFL grand final. Big deal. Bolton a big miss considering he is exactly what we need.

So to summarise, some hits and misses. To be fair our trading has been far more successful than drafting. Hence why I am not overly confident they will "nail it" this year at the draft.

It is important to note that we have also constructed a very unbalanced list, and this should be overlaid to the above decisions. Midfielders are the most important ingredient to winning a flag and we seem to be either allergic to drafting them or we refuse to try and legitimately convert back flankers to on-ballers. In the last 6 years we have bought in Roberton, White, Rice, Savage, Newnes, Webster, McKenzie and we want to play all of them on the back flank FFS. Furthermore, we moved Joey back there and still have Gilbert playing down back. WTF is the point?

Meanwhile we have only really bought in Dunstan, Steele, Freeman & Stevens as pure mids in that time. That is way out of whack. Additionally, far too inside. Also, why have some of these blokes not been able to transition to a wing for example? Other clubs seem to be able to do this, but have struggled to make it work. Is it development or poor drafting? I don't know the answer but it is a big problem.

So to summarise, I don't think our drafting is worse than other clubs, but I certainly would not rate it better than others either. Outside Gresham, we have not really nailed anybody else at the draft. Just 1 of the above would have made a big difference. Furthermore we have built a slow unbalanced list with too many decent players vying for the same position.

I would hardly call the rebuild a raging success just because we were worse 3 years ago. We have been out of finals for a while now, and our weakest area is the most important (e.g. a strong midfield). It has to be rectified.

I really think this year is massive. We need 2 midfielders and we need at least 1 but hopefully 2 to be a big factor within 2-3 years. Additionally, we have to do something about the half back problem. If we rate White as much as we say we do, I would support trading one of Newnes or Webster if we get a reasonable deal. These guys are going to get kept out by players like Gilbo and we are losing precious development opportunity.

Anyways, got to fly. Let's all hope I am a big idiot and there is nothing to worry about whatsover and it all clicks for our young blokes next year and I have massive egg on my face:thumbsu:
Is that the same Zach Merrett that tanked his interviews saying he only wanted to play with brother & Essendon having a gentlemans agreement with other clubs not to take him?

No one 'missed' him because he was only ever going to Essendon
 
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FWIW, young Merrett allegedly told clubs he only wanted to play for the Injectors and not to bother picking him.
If that’s the case the AFL pa need to grow some balls & suspend any player that does that from the draft.
Also any player that requests a trade should not have the right to choose which club he goes to if it disadvantages his previous club from getting the best available deal for their club.
If a player says he wants to go home there are multiple choices for his club to deal with.


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maybe im just different but i reckon having your dream job playing footy earning big bucks on an adventure in a new state sounds like the ideal for an 18 year old me ... i mean we are talking at max a 4hr flight away from home where ever you get sent in a generation where you can skype every day if you like very easily ..
i dunno i must be differant but i would treat it as an adventure and want to make the most of it while you can - i mean hanging with your footy mates all day playing video games and chasing girls when your not training .. sign me up baby especially if your coming from the cold winters of Melbourne to the warm beaches of Brisbane
 

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Is that the same Zach Merrett that tanked his interviews saying he only wanted to play with brother & Essendon having a gentlemans agreement with other clubs not to take him?

No one 'missed' him because he was only ever going to Essendon

He cant so a recruiter especially from Melbourne should have taken him. Weak recruiting if they rated him.
 

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So you would be happy if the GOAT wanted to go back to Perth??

As I said it might come down to which club is more desperate to land Schache - Brions might be happy to receive pick 8 rather than having to also give back to get pick 6 - who knows?

Just trying to get Saints in on the action and upgrade into the top 3 whilst keeping it simple and allowing us to keep our pick 7
I have seen the saints trade everyone from Ian Stewart, big Carl, plugger etc. If we were to trade acres for the right price so be it.

These deals that everyone talks about generally the more moving parts the less likely they are to happen.

We will have had a good trade period if we manage to bring in someone we rate like Austin and trade someone out for a second rounder.

If we take 7,8 and 20 something to the draft that's a good result anything else is gravy IMHO.
 

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maybe im just different but i reckon having your dream job playing footy earning big bucks on an adventure in a new state sounds like the ideal for an 18 year old me ... i mean we are talking at max a 4hr flight away from home where ever you get sent in a generation where you can skype every day if you like very easily ..
i dunno i must be differant but i would treat it as an adventure and want to make the most of it while you can - i mean hanging with your footy mates all day playing video games and chasing girls when your not training .. sign me up baby especially if your coming from the cold winters of Melbourne to the warm beaches of Brisbane

Yep but all that can be done in your home state with your real mates. As for the cold winters well I also maybe different but I love the weather in Melbourne.
 

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I might be wrong but I thought this kid was pretty pumped to get to Brisbane in the draft, shit happens and it obviously didn't work out.

There were suggestions when he signed on again that it was just to protect their investment, we can't have the beyondblue cup and other promotions if we only pay lip service to them.

I think it's a pretty good result all round if the deal to Collingwood gets done.

I'm sure plenty of kids and their parents have said don't pick me, someone mentioned Merrett earlier as someone who did that. IMHO clubs regularly draft kids who have expressed a desire to play elsewhere and back themselves in to change their minds, it must work because as we know few A graders change clubs.
Pavlich famously told Freo not to pick him as he wanted to stay in SA or play in Melbourne.. but they stuck to their guns .. once he got to freo they hooked him up with a girlfriend moved him into a share house with some peers who he developed strong friendships with and then each time he was up for his contract they paid him what he was worth without playing any games ...
 

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Just one thing I would like to you and anyone else happy to answer. Would you be happy being forced into your first job at a company that is interstate and may have no interest in being there? My answer would be no. Would you like to go to the company of your choice? My answer is yes.
if your dream is to be an AFL player you take that for all it is you can end up anywhere its the trade off for living your dream of being a pro footy player .. if not dont enter the draft and play lower state comp footy and get a real 9-5 job like ther rest of us shlobs
 

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If that’s the case the AFL pa need to grow some balls & suspend any player that does that from the draft.
Also any player that requests a trade should not have the right to choose which club he goes to if it disadvantages his previous club from getting the best available deal for their club.
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Ok so lets say only 2 clubs want you and one will pay you 300K and the other 600K but the 300K club offers a better deal then is it bad luck to the player? Come off it. We wouldn't accept that in our world. And I know even the 300K is great money but the 600K is slightly better.
 

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Dogs and Carlton the last two keen on Schache. Sorry I haven't read the thread, but I'm almost certain we'd be involved w/ Carlton's offer.
 
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