List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & Free Agency Watch Part 2

Which Of These Talls Would You Rather

  • Sam Reid

  • Levi Casboult

  • Jackson Trengove

  • Harrison Himmelberg

  • Steven May

  • Daniel McStay

  • Eric Hipwood

  • Jonathan Freeman

  • Jack Repath

  • Other


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With jack graham now looking like he could be anything , no need to pursue the likes of hopper , not That I believe we were linked anyway our focus needs to be foremost re stocking our talls + Naishy and of course re signing dusty

FA - tall , casboult
R1 tall
R1 tall
R2 Naishy , traded pick
Then next best talent > 183cm
Why would we trade in a round 2 pick this year and use it on Naish when we could just use our R3 picks this year on Naish?

If we were to trade for a R2 pick we would be better off getting in a R2 pick in next years draft, or looking to upgrade our second R1 pick this year to a lower pick to try and nab Sam Hayes and make it more likely we dont get stuck having to us a first rounder on Naish.
 

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I reckon if we could off load someone (or a couple) for third round or lower picks, it will allow us to bundle those up for when Naish is bid on...
So we dont go into negative for next years draft
 
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I reckon if we could off load someone (or a couple) for third round or lower picks, it will allow us to bundle those up for when Naish is bid on...
So we dont go into negative for next years draft
I think this is definitely something that would be on the cards. I wouldn't be surprised if we lose one or two depth players for late second or third round picks. Especially for Naish who doesn't exactly fill a hole, but rather adds further depth. I'd back the club with whatever strategy they take though as they seem to have a much better idea of what they're doing now. Unless it's their plan for talls :p
 

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Does anyone know if Naish is bid on after the Richmond pick and before the Geelong pick, whether or not we have to use it. Seems a bit unfair that you trade for a pick a year in advance and then it gets used needlessly on a F/S.
 
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Does anyone know if Naish is bid on after the Richmond pick and before the Geelong pick, whether or not we have to use it. Seems a bit unfair that you trade for a pick a year in advance and then it gets used needlessly on a F/S.
pretty sure you have to use your next available pick(s). Once its yours, it doesn't matter where it's come from.
Argument could be you only traded to that position to get the F/S player
The F/S rule was changed to make teams pay market price (in terms of draft position)
 

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pretty sure you have to use your next available pick(s). Once its yours, it doesn't matter where it's come from.
Argument could be you only traded to that position to get the F/S player
The F/S rule was changed to make teams pay market price (in terms of draft position)
I thought the F/S rule is like the academy rules and you just get a points discount and then you have to match the points with the picks you have. I wasn't aware it had to be your next pick otherwise teams would lose their points discount if they had to match with a pick soon after the bid. I.e. Matching a bid at pick 16 with pick 17 would result in a points loss to the club.

The issue is that you can't use inactive picks anymore to match points. So to match a bid in the first round might take 3 3rd round picks, which leaves you with two picks moved to the end of the draft. However, I am not sure if you can get away with using rookie upgrades with those picks instead of taking the last players available in the draft. If we could do that we could easily upgrade Castagna and Soldo and use the points for Naish.

Alternatively, we should just trade our first picks for young players and then we can't lose them in the first place. Just make sure we have a second round pick in the mid to late 20s to match the bid.
 

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Why would we trade in a round 2 pick this year and use it on Naish when we could just use our R3 picks this year on Naish?

If we were to trade for a R2 pick we would be better off getting in a R2 pick in next years draft, or looking to upgrade our second R1 pick this year to a lower pick to try and nab Sam Hayes and make it more likely we dont get stuck having to us a first rounder on Naish.
Just remember if you use multiple picks to match a bid you will have an active pick at the end of the draft.

Can anyone confirm if this can be used in rookie upgrades, or must be a new player?
 

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Just remember if you use multiple picks to match a bid you will have an active pick at the end of the draft.

Can anyone confirm if this can be used in rookie upgrades, or must be a new player?
Could be wrong here, the afl website is far from helpful on the exact rules, but I seem to remember that rookie upgrades no longer use a pick at the draft, they just get added to your list on the day. So yes, that pick (or picks) we get given at the end of the draft after matching a bid for Naish would need to be used on a player (or maybe held over to be used in the pre-season draft assuming at least two live picks have been used on players already).

However, as the primary list size is flexible (between 38-40) we wouldn't have to use it/them if we are already at 38 players (we went in with 39 this year from memory, the upcoming Yarran delisting will take it to 38).

Hank H is also right, you start matching with your next available pick, so if the bid comes before our 2nd first rounder we would have no choice but to use it. Any points left over after matching moves that pick down the order.
 
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Could be wrong here, the afl website is far from helpful on the exact rules, but I seem to remember that rookie upgrades no longer use a pick at the draft, they just get added to your list on the day. So yes, that pick (or picks) we get given at the end of the draft after matching a bid for Naish would need to be used on a player (or maybe held over to be used in the pre-season draft assuming at least two live picks have been used on players already).

However, as the primary list size is flexible (between 38-40) we wouldn't have to use it/them if we are already at 38 players (we went in with 39 this year from memory, the upcoming Yarran delisting will take it to 38).

Hank H is also right, you start matching with your next available pick, so if the bid comes before our 2nd first rounder we would have no choice but to use it. Any points left over after matching moves that pick down the order.
All over it by the sounds of it.

So if we use our first to match, our next pick gets upgraded by the remaining points... Not the worst outcome in the world if it turns our third pick into a late second pick, still would prefer if we didn't have to match until the third rounders.
 

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All over it by the sounds of it.

So if we use our first to match, our next pick gets upgraded by the remaining points... Not the worst outcome in the world if it turns our third pick into a late second pick, still would prefer if we didn't have to match until the third rounders.
well yes, but realistically it is going to drop to a 3rd rounder at best, likely 4th. If we go in with (for example) 14 & 18 and he gets bid on at 17 then 18 will drop to pick ~59.
matching with our 3rd rounders presents it's own problems as for example if he attracts a bid in the low 20's we could end up being in debt for the 2018 draft and have to take a kid with a pick at the end of this year's draft (70ish) to fill the 38 spots
 

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well yes, but realistically it is going to drop to a 3rd rounder at best, likely 4th. If we go in with (for example) 14 & 18 and he gets bid on at 17 then 18 will drop to pick ~59.
matching with our 3rd rounders presents it's own problems as for example if he attracts a bid in the low 20's we could end up being in debt for the 2018 draft and have to take a kid with a pick at the end of this year's draft (70ish) to fill the 38 spots
I misunderstood what you said.

A bit stupid a pick gets downgraded when you can't use it because you can only take so many picks to the draft.
 

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I misunderstood what you said.

A bit stupid a pick gets downgraded when you can't use it because you can only take so many picks to the draft.
Pretty much! All speculation from here anyway, no idea yet on our delistings and we may well end up with vastly different picks after the free agency (please stay Dusty!) and trade weeks
 

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All depends on when they expect him to go. Some see Naish as 12-15 type. But some of the draft watchers I like reckon that is too high for a completely outside player with hit and miss kicking at times. If he is going post 20 then no worries. If he is likely to be bid on earlier then we play games with picks. Fairly straightforward to me.

And if we can trade out firsts for a better hand, GREAT. But it sounds like we can get a quality tall with our picks. Will know more in a few months though.
 

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Say we end up with 13-17as ou first pick and Naish is bid on with pick 12 we end up dropping back 2 spots with our second pick. Ideally what we need is for Naish to be in the second round. Then we're sweet as our 2 3rd round picks cover him and we then can upgrade a couple of rookies.
 

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I seem to remember that rookie upgrades no longer use a pick at the draft, they just get added to your list on the day.
Rookie upgrades use a pick. You only have as many draft picks as you have list positions. So if you only have 3 senior list positions available and upgrade a player then you would only have 2 draft picks.

That said, if we look at last year, the final list lodgement is after the draft so there may be a way to get around that (would need to check):
Friday 25 – AFL National Draft
Monday 28 – List Lodgement 3
Monday 28 – AFL Pre-season and Rookie Draft
Wednesday 30 – Final List Lodgement​
 

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Rookie upgrades use a pick. You only have as many draft picks as you have list positions. So if you only have 3 senior list positions available and upgrade a player then you would only have 2 draft picks.

That said, if we look at last year, the final list lodgement is after the draft so there may be a way to get around that (would need to check):
Friday 25 – AFL National Draft
Monday 28 – List Lodgement 3
Monday 28 – AFL Pre-season and Rookie Draft
Wednesday 30 – Final List Lodgement​
Remember that the rookie draft will essentially be removed, so no upgrades needed. they will be able to be selected to play at any time, apart from cat b players. This is what I heard somewhere.
 

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Talent is talent, but I would also say it depends on what talls are left so they will have to decide that on the night. Kicking skill is also need by us.
I think we have good kicking skills. Its our game style thats resulting in poor de% imo.

We could simply trade out of the first round for a proven player too.

Are naish's kicking skills actually good too? Remember reading he turned it over a fair bit in one game
 
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