2017 Trade Hypotheticals (opposition supporters post here)

[irish]

Why don't we give up on small fish and seek a star ? Kelly perhaps , if north can throw a basket at him why Carn't we ? Just a thought

 

[jackess]

Why don't we give up on small fish and seek a star ? Kelly perhaps , if north can throw a basket at him why Carn't we ? Just a thought

Who's to say we haven't?

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Just posted this Scenario on the Drafting and Trading Board.

If Rayner firms as the likely top selection and the rumors of him being a flight risk are true, maybe a trade of

Brisbane out : Pick 1
In : Pick 2 and 33

Gold Coast Out : Pick 2 and 33
In : Picks 7 and 8

Saints Out : Pick 7 and 8
In : Pick 1

We still get our man we rate at number 1, while accumulating points for Ballenden.

Saints look to get their Franchise type of match winner in Rayner. They could
simply do the deal with Gold Coast, while pocketing the mid second rounder themselves, but run the risk of us potentially taking him or auctioning off pick 1 to someone else.

Gold Coast manufacture another top 10 pick, it would be heavily dependent on how they see the talent drop off from 2 to 7/8. They might be looking at a high list turnover too, so having multiple higher picks means they avoid having too many project/speculative picks to fill list spots.

We could then be really aggressive with the Port pick and our second rounder, knowing we have points covered for a Ballenden bid (Pick 33 and 41)

Could potentially bundle those up for Collingwood's or Fremantle's first rounder and secure a LDU, Cerra, Stephenson at that pick.

 

[Dalions]

Just posted this Scenario on the Drafting and Trading Board.

If Rayner firms as the likely top selection and the rumors of him being a flight risk are true, maybe a trade of

Brisbane out : Pick 1
In : Pick 2 and 33

Gold Coast Out : Pick 2 and 33
In : Picks 7 and 8

Saints Out : Pick 7 and 8
In : Pick 1

We still get our man we rate at number 1, while accumulating points for Ballenden.

Saints look to get their Franchise type of match winner in Rayner. They could
simply do the deal with Gold Coast, while pocketing the mid second rounder themselves, but run the risk of us potentially taking him or auctioning off pick 1 to someone else.

Gold Coast manufacture another top 10 pick, it would be heavily dependent on how they see the talent drop off from 2 to 7/8. They might be looking at a high list turnover too, so having multiple higher picks means they avoid having too many project/speculative picks to fill list spots.

We could then be really aggressive with the Port pick and our second rounder, knowing we have points covered for a Ballenden bid (Pick 33 and 41)

Could potentially bundle those up for Collingwood's or Fremantle's first rounder and secure a LDU, Cerra, Stephenson at that pick.

We got 3 and 17 for pick 2 last year.
No way we are giving up pick 1 for 2 and 33

 

[jackess]

Couldn't Saints just do 7 and 8 for 2 if they want Rayner?

 

[Ranga Hardie]

If we accidentally beat you this week ...

Shaun Atley + Pick 4 for Pick 1. Fair?

Ok. What would you want for Preuss? He's a Queenslander.

 

[Benno_900]

Ok. What would you want for Preuss? He's a Queenslander.

Pick 1

 

[POBT]

Just posted this Scenario on the Drafting and Trading Board.

If Rayner firms as the likely top selection and the rumors of him being a flight risk are true, maybe a trade of

Brisbane out : Pick 1
In : Pick 2 and 33

Gold Coast Out : Pick 2 and 33
In : Picks 7 and 8

Saints Out : Pick 7 and 8
In : Pick 1

We still get our man we rate at number 1, while accumulating points for Ballenden.

Saints look to get their Franchise type of match winner in Rayner. They could
simply do the deal with Gold Coast, while pocketing the mid second rounder themselves, but run the risk of us potentially taking him or auctioning off pick 1 to someone else.

Gold Coast manufacture another top 10 pick, it would be heavily dependent on how they see the talent drop off from 2 to 7/8. They might be looking at a high list turnover too, so having multiple higher picks means they avoid having too many project/speculative picks to fill list spots.

We could then be really aggressive with the Port pick and our second rounder, knowing we have points covered for a Ballenden bid (Pick 33 and 41)

Could potentially bundle those up for Collingwood's or Fremantle's first rounder and secure a LDU, Cerra, Stephenson at that pick.

My concern with that strategy is a bid for Ballenden comes in before the second rounder or even the Port pick. We're then left with trying to find value with two pretty average draft picks.

I'd rather try and turn the Port pick and the second rounder into something like pick 10 and pick 30ish.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

We got 3 and 17 for pick 2 last year.
No way we are giving up pick 1 for 2 and 33

The whole picture was also us giving back the rough equivalent of pick 17 in lower picks. GWS we're happy to move that pick 17 on because they would have lost it with matching for Setterfield anyways. When it comes to trading picks everyone needs to walk away with a win.

The big thing in the scenario is we still land the player we want at one still, as Rayner isn't a viable option to us. By gaining pick 33 for nothing, it opens more options, we can look to go 2 for 1 and get a decent upgrade, or its trade currency for Cameron etc.

Couldn't Saints just do 7 and 8 for 2 if they want Rayner?

Yes they could, but making a bold move like that you'd want to be reassured that the player you want is there, having pick 1 does that.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

My concern with that strategy is a bid for Ballenden comes in before the second rounder or even the Port pick. We're then left with trying to find value with two pretty average draft picks.

I'd rather try and turn the Port pick and the second rounder into something like pick 10 and pick 30ish.

If we did the first trade suggestion. as it stands now we'd have Pick 2, 14, 18, 33, 41, 73

Pick 2 would still give us access to Dow anyways, most likely our preferred option if the rumors are true.

We could than combine 14 & 18 to get a pick we'll clear of any Ballenden bid, to ensure 2 normal selections.

Pick 33 and 41 combine for (563 + 412) 975 points, that matchs a bid around ~15 for Ballenden.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

My concern with that strategy is a bid for Ballenden comes in before the second rounder or even the Port pick. We're then left with trying to find value with two pretty average draft picks.

I'd rather try and turn the Port pick and the second rounder into something like pick 10 and pick 30ish.

Just to clarify, would you be against the potential trading of pick 1 for 2 and 33?

By potentially getting the points associated with that pick 33, it allows us to be more aggressive if we look to bundle those two pick together, as we've already accumulated the points required for Ballenden.

 

[POBT]

Just to clarify, would you be against the potential trading of pick 1 for 2 and 33?

By potentially getting the points associated with that pick 33, it allows us to be more aggressive if we look to bundle those two pick together, as we've already accumulated the points required for Ballenden.

I think we could get better value than pick 33.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I think we could get better value than pick 33.

Thanks for the reply, Gold Coast have multiple second rounders, but I choose that pick as an example to try and not make it too loopsided.

I personally think something along those lines has some decent merit to us, the big win for us is still getting the player we'd select at pick 1 anyways.

 

[POBT]

Thanks for the reply, Gold Coast have multiple second rounders, but I choose that pick as an example to try and not make it too loopsided.

I personally think something along those lines has some decent merit to us, the big win for us is still getting the player we'd select at pick 1 anyways.

Conceptually, it is sound and we'll certainly look at it, given we did something similar last year.

The draft order will be quite changeable during trade week so other clubs may come into play with picks that they don't currently have.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Brisbane: Out pick 1, pick 41
In pick 4, Hopper/Kennedy, pick 44

North: Out pick 4, pick 21, pick 44
In Kelly, pick 63

GWS: Out Kelly, Hopper/Kennedy, pick 63
In pick 1, pick 21, pick 41

 

[Crusha]

It's official: Close for Aish and then we ontrade Aish to the local Fish n Chip shop for a discount on cod.

Why don't we give up on small fish and seek a star ? Kelly perhaps , if north can throw a basket at him why Carn't we ? Just a thought

Cod can grow quite large ......

 

[charles202]

I don't understand the scenarios where we trade with Gold Coast for the number two pick because we consider Rayner to be a flight risk. GC have lost more than us recently to the go home factor if they were to trade for no one it would be more likely for them to grab Dow

 

[Fatcat08]

Brisbane: Out pick 1, pick 41
In pick 4, Hopper/Kennedy, pick 44

North: Out pick 4, pick 21, pick 44
In Kelly, pick 63

GWS: Out Kelly, Hopper/Kennedy, pick 63
In pick 1, pick 21, pick 41

I don't think that GWS would appreciate getting bent over like that TBH, I'd have Kelly worth 1 and 21 on his own

 

[winged1]

I don't think that GWS would appreciate getting bent over like that TBH, I'd have Kelly worth 1 and 21 on his own

You never know, it is Sydney.

 

[Kevvo]

I don't think that GWS would appreciate getting bent over like that TBH, I'd have Kelly worth 1 and 21 on his own

Yeah, I'd agree with this.

Prestia shifted for pretty close to a straight pick 6. Looking at the spectrum from Prestia (high first rounder) to Beams (approx. high first rounder, highish second rounder, steak knives), I'd say Kelly is closer to the latter. Pick 1 probably carries a bit of a premium because you have absolute choice of players, but that may be offset by a draft year where there doesn't seem to be a standout pick 1.

 

[Berrygood]

Did i read or hear somewhere, that at the completion of the draft, that night, clubs are able to swap players they have just drafted if mutually beneficial. Or was i dreaming.

 

[dlanod]

Did i read or hear somewhere, that at the completion of the draft, that night, clubs are able to swap players they have just drafted if mutually beneficial. Or was i dreaming.

There was a proposal to enable that but I don't think anything has come of it yet.

 

[mike123]

I was thinking of ways we could trade picks 14 and 18 for another top 10 pick and still manufacture a trade for Charlie Cameron and I thought of this 3 team deal-

Brisbane Lions
Gain- Pick 6 Charlie Cameron
Lose- Pick 14 Pick 18 Michael Close

Collingwood Magpies
Gain- Jake Lever Michael Close
Lose- Pick 6 Matthew Scharenberg James Aish

Adelaide Crows
Gain- Pick 14 Pick 18 Matthew Scharenberg James Aish
Lose- Jake Lever Charlie Cameron

I'm not sure if the Crows fans would like that deal...(In fact I'm positive they would hate it)

Do not want Lever

 

[LongLion]

Pick 1

funny guy

 

[tommyv49]

Saw rumour about big Cox wanting to join the Lions.
Let's be honest no Collingwood supporters want to trade with Brisbane and vice-versa, but if a deal had to be done I was thinking Cox and 3rd round pick for Brisbanes 2nd rounder.

Or

Close and Smith for coz + pie third rounder.
Admittedly haven't seen a great deal of Archie smith so I may be underestimating his value. Assuming you are recruiting cox as a no 1 ruck, smith would be surplus to your needs.