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I think some on here need to temper expectations for next year. We are not just a "fit" Fyfe and Bennell away from being top 8. Half our team has played <50 games. We won't be top 8 until that lot has played at least 50. That is a season or two. Don't get me wrong, those two would make a huge difference but our forward line is still a shambles and that alone will hold us back.

Totally disagree. I think we're a fit Fyfe/Bennell/Sandilands/Pearce away from being contenders. With all hands on deck we have an elite midfield and a very good backline. Sure we're lacking a gun forward, but if Darcy, Taberner or Apeness can have a big summer and provide a contest for our small forwards then we'll be hard to beat.
 

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Would be brave to de-list both Griffin and Clarke, but Griff showed very little this year and if Clarke's body is shot then getting rid of both would be the correct decision.

Are Ibbotson and Johnson both out of contract? Surely you retain one of those at most?
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-contract-status-seppos-thread.1159434/

Both are out of contract. Johnson body is holding up pretty well, so I would keep him for 1 year if his body agreed.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-contract-status-seppos-thread.1159434/

I see 7 easy delists (RED) below, hopefully Ballas or Suban may get us a 3rd round pick as compo but that would be unlikely.
3 in green I am desperate to keep but they will probably go back. Hopefully we keep Tucker.
Players in BLUE will hopefully stay on short term deals.
Sheridan should be shopped around, but can stay for 1 year if we don't get an offer.

Taberner -
Sheridan - http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2015-08-26/tommy-gun-locked-in
Crozier - http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2015-08-26/it-is-the-right-place-to-be-crozier

Griffin - http://m.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2015-06-08/freo-resign-important-trio
Ballantyne - http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/video/2014-04-02/ballantyne-signs
Suban - http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2013-12-13/contract-extensions-for-suban-and-griffin
Ibbotson - http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2014-03-20/never-a-doubt-for-ibbotson
Dawson - http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2015-03-02/dawson-signs-contract-extension

Johnson - http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2015-04-21/johnson-repays-the-faith
Clarke - http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2016-11-08/clarke-signs-on
Langdon -
Tucker - unsure of contract length
Balic - unsure of contract length

Collins - unsure of contract length
Yarran - unsure of contract length
 

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What has Alex Pearce done to show you he would be a good 3rd tall? From what I have seen in game his marking and kicking have been good but not great. His standout atributes so far have been his ability to beat his man 1v1 even when isolated, speed & agility, never backs down, quick hands, able to keep his arms free when getting tackled.

Now we all know he's a talent and still has a way to go but I wouldn't have thought his intercepting, zoning off and rebounding are at a level where you would say he would be a good 3rd tall.

I think he will make an excellent main KPD to take on the KPF's of the future. He's built himself up to take on the monsters (T Lynch, Hawkins, Patton, BenBrown, Dixon, Walker, Hogan) and has the speed, agilty and height to take on the athletic talls (Danniher, Hipwood, Cameron, Kennedy, Jenkins, Moore, Bruce).

To my eyes Hamling has shown quite adapt at zoning off and intercepting. Would think Pearce on the No1 forward target and Hamling taking the 2nd tall while zoning off would make most sense. Hoping Johnson hangs up the boots at the end of the season so we can move onto our future setup.
 

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I really hope Johnson do the club thing like Hodge, he will continue to hold a spot that deprive the club rebuild. Is hard to compare he is really playing well or other kids in the team growth . Example blakely playing HB ,Weller playing HB , hamling replacing dawson and those that use to play alongside with him decline ( ibbo ,sutty,sheriden) .
 

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Thanks GTD.

Retaining Johnson also gives us the option of playing Alex Pearce forward so he'll probably go round again.

I'd be surprised (not disappointed) if the club got rid of both Suban and Ballantyne. They're the type of "dog hungry" players that Ross loves. Ofcourse so were DeBoer, Tendai, etc.
 

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Thanks GTD.

Retaining Johnson also gives us the option of playing Alex Pearce forward so he'll probably go round again.

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What is the point regarding MJ? Will you said the same thing again In 2018. I could not care less or more if MJ was playing in an individual sport like federer that do not need gelling or chemistry.
 

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I really hope Johnson do the club thing like Hodge, he will continue to hold a spot that deprive the club rebuild. Is hard to compare he is really playing well or other kids in the team growth . Example blakely playing HB ,Weller playing HB , hamling replacing dawson and those that use to play alongside with him decline ( ibbo ,sutty,sheriden) .


It can go either way though Meima. We were 6-3 earlier this season after a terrible first fortnight, if we start next season strongly then Pearce or Hamling get injured people will be saying it was a bad decision to retire Johnson.

Logue has been ok in patches, but at other times has looked a long way off being a good defender at AFL level. If Pearce is fit and Johnson is on the list then Logue probably misses out, which is fine if we're winning in 2018. If Johnson stays and we're say 4-7 halfway through next season then Johnson retires, Logue comes in, and we haven't really lost anything.
 

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It can go either way though Meima. We were 6-3 earlier this season after a terrible first fortnight, if we start next season strongly then Pearce or Hamling get injured people will be saying it was a bad decision to retire Johnson.

Logue has been ok in patches, but at other times has looked a long way off being a good defender at AFL level. If Pearce is fit and Johnson is on the list then Logue probably misses out, which is fine if we're winning in 2018. If Johnson stays and we're say 4-7 halfway through next season then Johnson retires, Logue comes in, and we haven't really lost anything.
We also have Collins and Cox.
 

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Thanks GTD.

Retaining Johnson also gives us the option of playing Alex Pearce forward so he'll probably go round again.
God I hope they don't try that again. Alex has shown in a handful of games that he could be an elite KPD. He was a natural in the backline. When he played forward he struggled to impact the game and struggled to kick over 30m. Let's play to his strengths and we'll reap the benefits.

It can go either way though Meima. We were 6-3 earlier this season after a terrible first fortnight, if we start next season strongly then Pearce or Hamling get injured people will be saying it was a bad decision to retire Johnson.

Logue has been ok in patches, but at other times has looked a long way off being a good defender at AFL level. If Pearce is fit and Johnson is on the list then Logue probably misses out, which is fine if we're winning in 2018. If Johnson stays and we're say 4-7 halfway through next season then Johnson retires, Logue comes in, and we haven't really lost anything.
The worst thing about this season was our stupidity in thinking our older blokes had another run in them, playing the old hands in round 1 and 2 was an awful decision. If we try that again next season I'll be ropable. We're in a rebuild with a focus on 2019 onwards.
 
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Perthnow reporting we're in the box seat for Matera from GC. Could be handy
Could be.
We have a first and then thirds.
First isn't happening, third isn't getting it done.
If we had a second I'd consider it and Ballas would be in serious danger.

Even then, if McGovern and Greenwood want to come home, they'd be the priority
 

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It can go either way though Meima. We were 6-3 earlier this season after a terrible first fortnight, if we start next season strongly then Pearce or Hamling get injured people will be saying it was a bad decision to retire Johnson.

Logue has been ok in patches, but at other times has looked a long way off being a good defender at AFL level. If Pearce is fit and Johnson is on the list then Logue probably misses out, which is fine if we're winning in 2018. If Johnson stays and we're say 4-7 halfway through next season then Johnson retires, Logue comes in, and we haven't really lost anything.
You lost AfL experience and gelling , if Johnson this season waa playing limited game time I will agree with him staying on . Do you think Sean Darcy will be playing If Sandi was not injured , MJ case will be in the same principle.our Midfield get to know how Sean darcy play and this can't be replace in an AfL environment compare to training .
 
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What has Alex Pearce done to show you he would be a good 3rd tall? From what I have seen in game his marking and kicking have been good but not great. His standout atributes so far have been his ability to beat his man 1v1 even when isolated, speed & agility, never backs down, quick hands, able to keep his arms free when getting tackled.

Now we all know he's a talent and still has a way to go but I wouldn't have thought his intercepting, zoning off and rebounding are at a level where you would say he would be a good 3rd tall.

I think he will make an excellent main KPD to take on the KPF's of the future. He's built himself up to take on the monsters (T Lynch, Hawkins, Patton, BenBrown, Dixon, Walker, Hogan) and has the speed, agilty and height to take on the athletic talls (Danniher, Hipwood, Cameron, Kennedy, Jenkins, Moore, Bruce).

To my eyes Hamling has shown quite adapt at zoning off and intercepting. Would think Pearce on the No1 forward target and Hamling taking the 2nd tall while zoning off would make most sense. Hoping Johnson hangs up the boots at the end of the season so we can move onto our future setup.
I had half a thought that him playing as the 3rd tall would help his body survive for a couple of years, plus Lloyd (or another coach) said he could make a great forward.

His kicking always looked good (better than Hamling) although my memory is a bit hazy as I have not seen him play for so long.

If he had a good preseason and we had Aliir I would try him forward, or use him as a swing man.

Sounds like you have a better memory than I do, perhaps Aliir could play as 3rd tall?

He has really impressed me, and he has so much potential and would be relatively cheap.
 

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I would be happy to bring Matera in if he was cheap, kid clearly has talent but has not been able to cement a spot in a team that has not acheived anything yet.

Once Hogan's contract expires at the end of 2019 is he a free agent? we could just continue to load up on young mids and then bring Hogan in at the start of 2020 as a free agent. We spend another two years pumping games in to our young kids at the same time as drafting quick players with skills and then bring in a gun CHF right when they will all be nearing their prime.
 

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I would be happy to bring Matera in if he was cheap, kid clearly has talent but has not been able to cement a spot in a team that has not acheived anything yet.

Once Hogan's contract expires at the end of 2019 is he a free agent? we could just continue to load up on young mids and then bring Hogan in at the start of 2020 as a free agent. We spend another two years pumping games in to our young kids at the same time as drafting quick players with skills and then bring in a gun CHF right when they will all be nearing their prime.
The days of the small forward who only play forward are numbered. Matera doesn't have the tank for the midfield
 

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I would be happy to bring Matera in if he was cheap, kid clearly has talent but has not been able to cement a spot in a team that has not acheived anything yet.
Not really sure what this is supposed to mean. Fremantle is a team that "hasn't achieved anything yet" too.

Once Hogan's contract expires at the end of 2019 is he a free agent? we could just continue to load up on young mids and then bring Hogan in at the start of 2020 as a free agent.
And that would most likely not happen and then we'd be back to square one.
 

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What is the point regarding MJ? Will you said the same thing again In 2018. I could not care less or more if MJ was playing in an individual sport like federer that do not need gelling or chemistry.
We can't delist 15 players. At worst he is good depth, plus a playing coach. I would like him and Sandi to play a max of 10 games next year on small contracts and coach the younger players.
 

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How would we feel about McGovern and picks 5, 24, 65, 76, 77, 95, 113, while losing Balic ( :( ), Sutcliffe, Sheridan and Crozier?

Assuming we drop two spots on the ladder and the clubs we deal with remain where they are, the way to (maybe) get to that outcome values Sutty to Adelaide at pick 44 (plus pick 25 for Gov, who is then valued at pick 15); Croz to GC at 48 (plus pick 37 for 24 and 76 - although maybe scope for a Matera deal here); Sherro to the Dogs at 51 (plus picks 29 and 47 for 25 and 37); and Balic to Melbourne at 52 (plus our initial picks 40, 55 and 58 for 29, 47 and 65, which then facilitates the other trades).

Finding a pick in the 40's from somewhere would be nice in this scenario.

[edit: you'd probably want GC's 9th pick - 112 - to use for a rookie upgrade also, given there's no way they'll ever use it. That way you upgrade three (Nyhuis, Grey, Deluca) with 95, 112 and 113 and take 5, 24, 65, 76 and 77 to the draft - teams start passing by the low 60's, so 76 and 77 will end up mid-late 60's.]
 
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Dom you are a great old timer on this board. One of the first iirc.
I admire your optimism, but after being a member for 23 years I'm a bit jaded.
Alex Pearce is a defender, we need to recruit a f++king good forward.
Not something we've been able to do, but we still need to try.
Lyon needs to get a more attacking game plan as well.
By 2020 he would have taken the better part of $6 mill out of FFC, and we better have something to show for it.
 

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How would we feel about McGovern and picks 5, 24, 65, 76, 77, 95, 113, while losing Balic ( :( ), Sutcliffe, Sheridan and Crozier?

Assuming we drop two spots on the ladder and the clubs we deal with remain where they are, the way to (maybe) get to that outcome values Sutty (to Adelaide) at pick 44 (plus pick 25 for Gov, who is then valued at pick 15); Croz at 48 (plus pick 37 for 24 and 76); Sherro at 51 (plus picks 29 and 47 for 25; and 37) and Balic at 52 (plus our initial picks 40, 55 and 58 for 29, 47 and 65, which then facilitates the other trades).

Finding a pick in the 40's from somewhere would be nice in this scenario.
Never ever give up pick 5
 
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