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Not really sure what this is supposed to mean. Fremantle is a team that "hasn't achieved anything yet" too.



And that would most likely not happen and then we'd be back to square one.
Gold Coast is a team that has been down the bottom of the ladder since they were introduced in to the system What i'm saying is that he hasn't been able to cement his spot in a team that has been down the bottom of the ladder since he has been there
 

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Gold Coast is a team that has been down the bottom of the ladder since they were introduced in to the system What i'm saying is that he hasn't been able to cement his spot in a team that has been down the bottom of the ladder since he has been there
He needs to work harder. Has finally learnt that this year hopefully.
 

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I Would go KPF with the first pick
Trade out some midfielders
Bring in McGovern & Fasolo (focus on forwards)
Offer Lobb a decent contract later down the road (2018?)
Pick midfielders with later drafts, but the priority would be getting the spine right asap
 

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I am firmly of the belief that we should not be looking at bringing "West Australians home" but looking to fill our needs. I don't care if they are Victorians or QLDers or whatever, if there is a player that might fill our needs and is OK with moving west then we look at him.
 

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I am firmly of the belief that we should not be looking at bringing "West Australians home" but looking to fill our needs. I don't care if they are Victorians or QLDers or whatever, if there is a player that might fill our needs and is OK with moving west then we look at him.
There is not many available Vic want to come to west . Tarrant half success , slyvia nothing much to said.
 

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Totally disagree. I think we're a fit Fyfe/Bennell/Sandilands/Pearce away from being contenders. With all hands on deck we have an elite midfield and a very good backline. Sure we're lacking a gun forward, but if Darcy, Taberner or Apeness can have a big summer and provide a contest for our small forwards then we'll be hard to beat.
It's not the summer you have to worry about with Apeness, it is the the winter and the footy season that is the concern.
 
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God I hope they don't try that again. Alex has shown in a handful of games that he could be an elite KPD. He was a natural in the backline. When he played forward he struggled to impact the game and struggled to kick over 30m. Let's play to his strengths and we'll reap the benefits.



The worst thing about this season was our stupidity in thinking our older blokes had another run in them, playing the old hands in round 1 and 2 was an awful decision. If we try that again next season I'll be ropable. We're in a rebuild with a focus on 2019 onwards.
Pearce wasn't struggling up forward. He was showing a fair bit, but an opening down back opened up and we obviously preferred to keep him in the 22 as a defender than being kept out of it by Pav/Sandi/Clarke/Griffin etc.

For all the people crying out for us to draft a 200cm KPF, you've got to wonder what their plans are with Pearce/Cox/Apeness.

We've got Hamling, Logue, Darcy, Pearce and Cox as starting 18 talls, with Collins and Apeness as reserves. We're desperate for quality smalls, hence still giving games to flogs, but people want to bang a top 5 pick on another tall and develop him in the WAFL until 2020 .

But I guess they look at WC's list and want us to be like that.

Football is still a small mans game. You can have all the talls in the world, but if you haven't got a midfield that will reliably win most battles, then you're still up against it.
 

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I'd be willing to bet 90%+ of 'good' KPFs come inside the top 20 with probably 60% inside the top 10 (excluding F/S, academy etc).

The only ones of note I can think of outside of 20 are Jenkins, B.Brown and Mooney.

I would also hazard a guess that Tabs is well above average in terms of games played for a rookie KPF.
It is a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy though. Players taken in the first round are more likely to be successful. I don't have the stats, but given you are looking for 10 midfielders per side they are not all going to come from the top 20, and there are a heap more available. There is usually only 2 genuine KPFs in each team, and typically only 1 of them is good, the other serviceable. Even for us our best KPF was taken top 20, but McCarthy doesn't really deserve to be in the team. Gunston, Tippet, Reid, Hooker all taken outside the top 20. I suspect there may only be half a dozen KPFs available each draft.
 

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Player (draft position) - key forwards currently playing AFL taken after pick 20 (criteria is playing mostly in forward line and averaging over 1.0 contested mark per game).

Rory Lobb (29).
Michael Close (30)
Levi Casboult (89)
Cale Hooker (54)
Andy Otten (27)
Josh Jenkins (rookie)
Mitch McGover (43)
Tom McDonald (53)
Matt Taberner (rookie)
Brennan Cox (41)
Jack Darling (26)
Drew Petrie (29)
James Sicily (56)
Tim O'Brien (28)
Ben Brown (47)
Majak Daw (rookie)
Jarrod Waite (46)
Mason Cox (rookie)
Jackson Trengove (22)
Tim Mebrey (46)
Sam Reid (38)
Kurt Tippett (32)


There's actually quite a lot, which seems to disprove the "can't get a key forward with a low pick" myth. I'm sure there are a lot more who didn't go anywhere, but it goes to show that you can get a good key forward with a low pick if you are lucky enough. Almost every team has at least 1 key forward who was a late pick currently playing for them.
 

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Player (draft position) - key forwards currently playing AFL taken after pick 20 (criteria is playing mostly in forward line and averaging over 1.0 contested mark per game).

Rory Lobb (29).
Michael Close (30)
Levi Casboult (89)
Cale Hooker (54)
Andy Otten (27)
Josh Jenkins (rookie)
Mitch McGover (43)
Tom McDonald (53)
Matt Taberner (rookie)
Brennan Cox (41)
Jack Darling (26)
Drew Petrie (29)
James Sicily (56)
Tim O'Brien (28)
Ben Brown (47)
Majak Daw (rookie)
Jarrod Waite (46)
Mason Cox (rookie)
Jackson Trengove (22)
Tim Mebrey (46)
Sam Reid (38)
Kurt Tippett (32)


There's actually quite a lot, which seems to disprove the "can't get a key forward with a low pick" myth. I'm sure there are a lot more who didn't go anywhere, but it goes to show that you can get a good key forward with a low pick if you are lucky enough.
Sicily playing back men now.
 

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Pearce wasn't struggling up forward. He was showing a fair bit, but an opening down back opened up and we obviously preferred to keep him in the 22 as a defender than being kept out of it by Pav/Sandi/Clarke/Griffin etc.

For all the people crying out for us to draft a 200cm KPF, you've got to wonder what their plans are with Pearce/Cox/Apeness.

We've got Hamling, Logue, Darcy, Pearce and Cox as starting 18 talls, with Collins and Apeness as reserves. We're desperate for quality smalls, hence still giving games to flogs, but people want to bang a top 5 pick on another tall and develop him in the WAFL until 2020 .

But I guess they look at WC's list and want us to be like that.

Football is still a small mans game. You can have all the talls in the world, but if you haven't got a midfield that will reliably win most battles, then you're still up against it.
Logue is 191cm - 3rd tall defender.
Collins is depth.

5 talls is enough for any team.

2 KPD's - APearce - Hamling
1 Ruck - Darcy
2 KPF's - ???? - ???? (We've got the perennially injured in Apeness/Clarke for the ruck forward role, the inconsistent Tabs and the youth in Cox/Strnadica)

Take your purple blinkers off mate - A Pearce kicks for goal were John Butcher like. He's a defender and he's going to be a very good one.

I want a Rayner/Fogarty type with our 1st rounder personally but I understand why someone would want Brander. We have the worst forward line in the comp by a country mile with no proven KPF the lead the forward line.
 

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It is a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy though. Players taken in the first round are more likely to be successful. I don't have the stats, but given you are looking for 10 midfielders per side they are not all going to come from the top 20, and there are a heap more available. There is usually only 2 genuine KPFs in each team, and typically only 1 of them is good, the other serviceable. Even for us our best KPF was taken top 20, but McCarthy doesn't really deserve to be in the team. Gunston, Tippet, Reid, Hooker all taken outside the top 20. I suspect there may only be half a dozen KPFs available each draft.
In order: Not a key forward / A forward/ruck / serviceable / a defender
Of the KPF's in the leading goalkickers atm all those that weren't zone selections, farther sons or academy players were top 15 selections except Ben Brown. Only two of those (Lynch and Reiwoldt) weren't top 5. You might get a decent second KPF taking a punt in the 2nd round on, but a line leading no. 1 key forward, very unlikely.
 

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Tippett was on Coleman pace when he played purely as a forward. He's playing forward/ruck now because that's what Sydney need, but he's a genuine key forward when chosen to play that role.
Tippett has kicked 50 (55) goals once in 10 seasons and only exceeded 40 on two other occasions. He's not a top number 1 key forward and if he was Franklin wouldn't be there.
 

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Player (draft position) - key forwards currently playing AFL taken after pick 20 (criteria is playing mostly in forward line and averaging over 1.0 contested mark per game).

Rory Lobb (29).
Michael Close (30)
Levi Casboult (89)
Cale Hooker (54)
Andy Otten (27)
Josh Jenkins (rookie)
Mitch McGover (43)
Tom McDonald (53)
Matt Taberner (rookie)
Brennan Cox (41)
Jack Darling (26)
Drew Petrie (29)
James Sicily (56)
Tim O'Brien (28)
Ben Brown (47)
Majak Daw (rookie)
Jarrod Waite (46)
Mason Cox (rookie)
Jackson Trengove (22)
Tim Mebrey (46)
Sam Reid (38)
Kurt Tippett (32)


There's actually quite a lot, which seems to disprove the "can't get a key forward with a low pick" myth. I'm sure there are a lot more who didn't go anywhere, but it goes to show that you can get a good key forward with a low pick if you are lucky enough. Almost every team has at least 1 key forward who was a late pick currently playing for them.
A lot are rucks or defenders. Sam Reid was 190cms or shorter and grew after he was drafted.

Darling, Siciliy were under sized.
 

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I Would go KPF with the first pick


What if we end up with pick 5 and our recruiters don't consider any of the KPF likely to be available at 5 as worthy of a top ten pick? Do you compromise your order to fill a need or go best available?
 
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Logue is 191cm - 3rd tall defender.
Collins is depth.

5 talls is enough for any team.

2 KPD's - APearce - Hamling
1 Ruck - Darcy
2 KPF's - ???? - ???? (We've got the perennially injured in Apeness/Clarke for the ruck forward role, the inconsistent Tabs and the youth in Cox/Strnadica)

Take your purple blinkers off mate - A Pearce kicks for goal were John Butcher like. He's a defender and he's going to be a very good one.

I want a Rayner/Fogarty type with our 1st rounder personally but I understand why someone would want Brander. We have the worst forward line in the comp by a country mile with no proven KPF the lead the forward line.
So you've deduced that we're desperate for a tall forward, while removing literally every tall on our list from the equation. Lolol, that's awesome.

Top shelf reasoning.

We've got Pearce, Hamling, Logue, Cox and Collins all fighting for spots down back, and apparantly none of them can or are flexible enough to play forward for us.

Ok.

And I'm the one that's blind...
 
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I am firmly of the belief that we should not be looking at bringing "West Australians home" but looking to fill our needs. I don't care if they are Victorians or QLDers or whatever, if there is a player that might fill our needs and is OK with moving west then we look at him.


Why would a player who grew up on the east coast move to Fremantle and spend 8 hours a fortnight on a plane and be away from friends and family? The training facility and new stadium will help retain players and lure WA players home but it's unlikely players from outside WA will head to Freo unless we offer overs in terms of trade and/or dollars like we did with Croad and Tarrant.
 
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