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Jesus he's only as good as Kersten now??...
I totally agree we need a true kpf but where is said kpf?.....the draft?....only brander measures up ATM and we re no guarantee to get him,free agency...Sam Reid ?....No chance....trade?...with what? Our 3rd rounder?,....so we just sit and wait and hope and continue this merry round argument of tabs v kersten?

Why is trading for McGovern or any other player of need constantly seen as an 'absolute' with some?.... look at it as just another piece in building a complete team as possible
8 touches, two behinds. That's worse than Kersten. He kicked 2.2 last week in a side that smashed the dees while Kersten kicked a goal. The week before that MM kicked donuts while Shane kicked 2.1. What is he realistically going to offer that we don't already have? People are being seduced by his marking but he's not special enough in other areas for us to waste money on.
 

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Yeah, I think his value would be in straightening the side up. Could be an inexpensive solution to several problems.
Your sadly mistaken if you think he d be "inexpensive".....that time was about 2 years ago.... he ll have a fair few suitors,not to mention his current team (who have plenty in their cap)... totally ignoring how much extra we d have to fork out to get him to move over here.
 

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8 touches, two behinds. That's worse than Kersten. He kicked 2.2 last week in a side that smashed the dees while Kersten kicked a goal. The week before that MM kicked donuts while Shane kicked 2.1. What is he realistically going to offer that we don't already have? People are being seduced by his marking but he's not special enough in other areas for us to waste money on.
Yeah no ,you be convinced me....and your right we could put it ( money)towards casboult...who's played 1 half decent year of football (in a free agency year mind you)... but considering you rate Mitch off 3 games I'm not surprised u think casboults all of a sudden an answer to our fwd line woes
 

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I don't think anyone's claimed he's the saviour but your selling him short if you don't think he d add a different dimension to our fwd line
Also loving this "rating" of him off 1 game lol, then again most rate tabs off his 3 good games out of 50 so not sure why I'm surprised
Tabs is already on our list, so doesn't cost anything.

Getting McGovern for over the odds would be silly and a few believe he is worth greater than pick 30, which for mine is over the odds.

Is simply not a good kick from the last 2 games where I've paid attention. Has sprayed most of his set shots and although his push off and burst from the defender was lovely, he absolutely butchered that field kick inside 50m.

I'll continue to pay attention, but if you can't impact in a free flowing Adelaide side, what's he going to do at Fremantle?

Hell when Fyfe has played forward this season he has struggled to make an impact and he's 1cm shorter.

I was a massive advocate of Casboult for last year. Sure he can't kick, but he's the point of difference we need.

We need a genuine 198cm+ key forward OR amassive change in our game plan where we can continue to hit lead up targets. Seeing as the AFL is a relatively high pressured game there's going to be quick kicks out of clearances that go in the air, therefore need a genuine tall to compete.
 

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My high opinion of cox has been well documented but I would like too see him play out the year as a forward in the wafl , he has everything you look for in a KPF except 2 of the most important traits fwd instincts and timing


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He's the reason we don't need McGovern, really. He's younger, taller and already just as good.
 

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Your sadly mistaken if you think he d be "inexpensive".....that time was about 2 years ago.... he ll have a fair few suitors,not to mention his current team (who have plenty in their cap)... totally ignoring how much extra we d have to fork out to get him to move over here.
inexpensive in that it wouldn't be the same price range as trying to lure a genuine superstar here from another club, not that there seems to be any available. We'd pay over for Casboult, but overs for him is chip money for someone more recognised. He's not going to kick 40+ goals for us, but he might lead to the other forwards kicking another ten goals each a year.
 

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8 touches, two behinds. That's worse than Kersten. He kicked 2.2 last week in a side that smashed the dees while Kersten kicked a goal. The week before that MM kicked donuts while Shane kicked 2.1. What is he realistically going to offer that we don't already have? People are being seduced by his marking but he's not special enough in other areas for us to waste money on.
If its only money then no problem , why wouldn't you go for it ? But it's the cost in picks that hurts us this year. He could be a useful piece of the puzzle but he's not that key piece that we need


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Oh so that's why he took less money?...so the club could recruit fre agency gun casboult??
Clearly Dusty is headed here...

Can you imagine if that happened and we got Bennell fully fit...*drool*. Who the **** would the opposition tag? We'd struggle to get Neale and Mundy midfield minutes.

A man can dream.
 

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Tabs is already on our list, so doesn't cost anything.

Getting McGovern for over the odds would be silly and a few believe he is worth greater than pick 30, which for mine is over the odds.

Is simply not a good kick from the last 2 games where I've paid attention. Has sprayed most of his set shots and although his push off and burst from the defender was lovely, he absolutely butchered that field kick inside 50m.

I'll continue to pay attention, but if you can't impact in a free flowing Adelaide side, what's he going to do at Fremantle?

Hell when Fyfe has played forward this season he has struggled to make an impact and he's 1cm shorter.

I was a massive advocate of Casboult for last year. Sure he can't kick, but he's the point of difference we need.

We need a genuine 198cm+ key forward OR amassive change in our game plan where we can continue to hit lead up targets. Seeing as the AFL is a relatively high pressured game there's going to be quick kicks out of clearances that go in the air, therefore need a genuine tall to compete.
I don't think paying a second rounder for McGovern is overs at all and his "value" will be set by the market regardless of what we think(it certainly won't be for a pick 30+).
I ve said ad nauseum we need a 195 plus player but not "for the sake of it" and considering tabs none selection seems Ross agrees.
In lack of a decent kpf available I think our next best option and the way the club is going is trying to get that in the form of a ruck fwd(hence apeman/ strnadica ,trying to get tabs to ruck but their all still no guarantee.Lobb would be ideal but obviously not coming either so maybe trading down say to around the 10/11 mark and grabbing Sam Hayes could be a good option
 

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McCarthy 192cm
Kersten 191cm
Cox 193cm

Cox is our McGovern. Rather see him develop. Would rather add a genuine tall to that group of 3.

Defense:
Pearce 200cm
Hamling 194cm
Logue 193cm

I mean that's our group moving forwards. Darcy as ruck has already proven he can compete. That was initially my biggest worry.

We then have Apeness and Taberner as near enough 200cm forward/rucks.

So let's say we pick up McGovern, let's say he forces Kersten out... how much of a difference is that going to make? Not enough in my opinion to warrant chasing.

Maybe McGovern play back? Logue becomes a 4th tall defender or swingman or Cox plays swingman or McGovern plays as a swing.

Sure it will be nice to add flexibility, but that height listed is young and there's a bit there to work with.
 

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I don't think paying a second rounder for McGovern is overs at all and his "value" will be set by the market regardless of what we think(it certainly won't be for a pick 30+).
I ve said ad nauseum we need a 195 plus player but not "for the sake of it" and considering tabs none selection seems Ross agrees.
In lack of a decent kpf available I think our next best option and the way the club is going is trying to get that in the form of a ruck fwd(hence apeman/ strnadica ,trying to get tabs to ruck but their all still no guarantee.Lobb would be ideal but obviously not coming either so maybe trading down say to around the 10/11 mark and grabbing Sam Hayes could be a good option
Remember Lobb is playing behind Cameron and Patton and still doesn't kick a lot of goals. Is a great contested mark around the ground though which would be nice. No way he would 'fix' our forward line though. Clearly would help but would also cost a packet.
 

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I don't think paying a second rounder for McGovern is overs at all and his "value" will be set by the market regardless of what we think(it certainly won't be for a pick 30+).
I ve said ad nauseum we need a 195 plus player but not "for the sake of it" and considering tabs none selection seems Ross agrees.
In lack of a decent kpf available I think our next best option and the way the club is going is trying to get that in the form of a ruck fwd(hence apeman/ strnadica ,trying to get tabs to ruck but their all still no guarantee.Lobb would be ideal but obviously not coming either so maybe trading down say to around the 10/11 mark and grabbing Sam Hayes could be a good option
If we're going tall I can also see Hayes in our bracket.
I have no trust in Apeness getting on the field.

The argument still remains then. How do you propose we get McGovern?

We keep our first from 2017. Non-negotiable unless an absolute genuine first rate player presents.

I mean do we entertain 2018 2nd for McGovern straight up? Adelaide probably wouldn't do it. Which means we'd need to pony up our 1st from 2018 and try to get something back from them as well as McGovern.

Maybe we'll get some currency from a couple of young players.
 

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Remember Lobb is playing behind Cameron and Patton and still doesn't kick a lot of goals. Is a great contested mark around the ground though which would be nice. No way he would 'fix' our forward line though. Clearly would help but would also cost a packet.
Lobb's contract ends at the end of 2019.If we can wait until Lobb enters the point where his management start negotiating that's when put up an offer to good to refuse.
 

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Lobb's contract ends at the end of 2019.If we can wait until Lobb enters the point where his management start negotiating that's when put up an offer to good to refuse.
I think free agency is a realistic way to target the GWS players. Especially if they have won a flag or two.

I can see GWS having picks 19,20,21 in a draft in the future after clubs offer big bucks to their stars which they won't be able to match. It is the only reason I have stopped fearing the GWS juggernaut. FA is the tool to equalise them when they get too good. Doubt the AFL planned it but I think it will work.
 

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Remember Lobb is playing behind Cameron and Patton and still doesn't kick a lot of goals. Is a great contested mark around the ground though which would be nice. No way he would 'fix' our forward line though. Clearly would help but would also cost a packet.
Like McCarthy then hey?... didn't stop us recruiting him tho.
Not on his own no he wouldn't fix our fwd line but honestly who would?(within reason?).... as I I've said it will be the sum of all the parts hence getting mm would simply be a piece of the puzzle
Read a fwd line of

McCarthy kpf/ruck Bennell
Fyfe McGovern Walters

Or McCarthy kpf/ruck bennell
McGovern cox walters

Seems pretty decent enough to me
 

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Like McCarthy then hey?... didn't stop us recruiting him tho.
Not on his own no he wouldn't fix our fwd line but honestly who would?(within reason?).... as I I've said it will be the sum of all the parts hence getting mm would simply be a piece of the puzzle
Read a fwd line of

McCarthy kpf/ruck Bennell
Fyfe McGovern Walters

Or McCarthy kpf/ruck bennell
McGovern cox walters

Seems pretty decent enough to me
I would take Lobb for the right price obviously. Same with MGov.

Fyfe and Walters should stay the majority in the midfield because they do WAY more damage there. They can still drift forward and kick goals like they have this year.
 

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Casboult's no gun but his strengths are where we are lacking , if he played for us we win that game last week. We don't have anyone big and strong enough to fight their way into the contest when the oppo teams back men block us out. Tabs , although I'm in the play him camp .....it's only out of desperation as the only fwd we have who fits the bill in any way. Outbodying a defender and still being able to take the grab is a pretty innate talent , you can either do it or you can't. Anyone who thinks Tabs can do this consistently is dreaming.


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