2017 UK General Election - The Verdict: It's MAYDUP

[aCunningPlan]

Not just for being a socialist, but being a batshit crazy one.

Seriously, what sort of a ******* policy is this?


The dude thinks he's Robin Hood.

That just sounds like a crackdown on tax avoidance to improve revenue for the crown. He speaks in old school socialist verse when it needs to be translated to prose.

 

[Rob]

That just sounds like a crackdown on tax avoidance to improve revenue for the crown. He speaks in old school socialist verse when it needs to be translated to prose.

Probably, but when you're trying to present a valid alternative to form government, it's best not to speak in terms only valued by student radicals. It's the sort of s**t you'd expect from fringe parties, not the main opposition.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Tax havens aren't "student radical" language. They're real things.

 

[Rob]

Tax havens aren't "student radical" language. They're real things.

It's not his use of the word tax haven, it's his blatant class warfare rhetoric - "We'll take it from them and give it to you". He uses a lot more lowest common denominator stuff - "rigged economy" and the like. It's the stuff of fringe politics, not of credible government. The same sort of stuff Trump is (rightly) castigated for.

 

[Showbags]

It's not his use of the word tax haven, it's his blatant class warfare rhetoric - "We'll take it from them and give it to you". He uses a lot more lowest common denominator stuff - "rigged economy" and the like. It's the stuff of fringe politics, not of credible government. The same sort of stuff Trump is (rightly) castigated for.

Credible government? What does that even mean? I think you mean establishment status quo government which is on the nose right now almost everywhere.

Labour's problem is not that all of their policies are hated (in fact, a lot of them are quite popular, like renationalising the railways). Their problem is that:

(a) The media have launched the most systematic attack on a political leader in years. A recent London School of Economics Study found that the media misrepresents Corbyn 75% of the time. Hard to get a groundswell of average voters behind you when the MSM is constantly making up complete bullshit about you being a terrorist sympathiser etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...resentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

(b) The Labour Party are a mess and the Blairites have refused to accept the result of the two leadership spills.

(c) Corbyn isn't particularly charismatic and is quite boring.

 

[JackOutback]

A shrewd move by May, albeit a cynical one drive by selfish political motives.

Hard to see Labour making up ground, let alone winning the election, when so many of the established media are determined to see him fail. That said, I still don't understand why the public seem so hesitant to listen to his message. The only reason for increasing the Conservative majority is if you believe 40 years of neo-liberal policies have produced a better outcome and will continue to do so. For most working class people, that is the opposite of the truth. Corbyn's message harks back to a time when inequality was less stark (ironic given the Conservatives usually sell themselves on being the party that links to the past).

 

[medusala]

No he isn't.

Oh the humour. Trust you to try to defend him. Explains your stupidity on Brexit

BTW you know Corbyn has always been in favour of leaving the EU dont you?

The only reason for increasing the Conservative majority is if you believe 40 years of neo-liberal policies have produced a better outcome and will continue to do so.

Blair, Brown and Cameron certainly weren't neo liberal. Nor is May, see her idiotic price caps on electricity prices.

May is very average, the only decent reason for voting for her is that Corbyn is a weapons grade moron and the real power ie McDonnell is a hardcore IRA loving marxist.

As bad as you may think Australian politicians are Turnbull and Shorten are easily a better combo.

 

[medusala]

Hard to get a groundswell of average voters behind you when the MSM is constantly making up complete bullshit about you being a terrorist sympathiser etc.
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BS?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e-regrets-calling-hamas-and-hezbollah-friends

Jeremy Corbyn says he regrets calling Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Gerry-Adams-Martin-McGuinness-Parliament.html

 

[GWBogan]

Liberal Democrats should get some seats back but yeah... it's gonna be a comfortable Conservative win.

 

[JackOutback]

Oh the humour. Trust you to try to defend him. Explains your stupidity on Brexit

BTW you know Corbyn has always been in favour of leaving the EU dont you?



Blair, Brown and Cameron certainly weren't neo liberal. Nor is May, see her idiotic price caps on electricity prices.

May is very average, the only decent reason for voting for her is that Corbyn is a weapons grade moron and the real power ie McDonnell is a hardcore IRA loving marxist.

As bad as you may think Australian politicians are Turnbull and Shorten are easily a better combo.

Blair, Brown and Cameron all exhibited neoliberal tendencies, including free market capitalism, privatisation, deregulation and fiscal austerity.

 

[The Speaker]

It's been a long, long time since a British PM has been anything other than a liberal.

 

[Showbags]

BS?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e-regrets-calling-hamas-and-hezbollah-friends

Jeremy Corbyn says he regrets calling Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Gerry-Adams-Martin-McGuinness-Parliament.html

Thanks for highlighting my exact point how the MSM takes everything he says and skews it to put him in an unfavourable light.

We went over the Hezbollah stuff ad nauseum in the Jeremy Corbyn thread. I cant be farked trying to explain it to you again. I refer you back to that seeing as you are still slow on the uptake.

 

[Pessimistic]

So Brexit was a slap from the forgotten people as much as anything

(We are told)

Any sign whatsoever that pompous Whitehall types are responding to the message? Or is it just lazy divisive politics as usual?

 

[medusala]

Blair, Brown and Cameron all exhibited neoliberal tendencies, including free market capitalism, privatisation, deregulation and fiscal austerity.

Blair and Brown spent like drunken sailors and suspended habeus corpus as well as introducing a heap of statist nonsense. Cameron no better.

The only thing that you could really argue they (less so Cameron) were neo liberal in respect to was the City. Even then though you would struggle given the bailouts and the grubby way that Brown forced Lloyds to take over HBOS

Its another Guardian meme that flies in the face of reality.

It's been a long, long time since a British PM has been anything other than a liberal.

Blair suspended habeus corpus and allowed extradition to the US without prima facie evidence. How is that in any way liberal? He oversaw a massive increase in the reach of the state, again - how is that liberal?

 

[medusala]

Any sign whatsoever that pompous Whitehall types are responding to the message? Or is it just lazy divisive politics as usual?

No. May already backtracking on immigration. She isn't up to the job. She was very poor in the home office and was just lucky that Gove knifed Boris. Just another limp wristed "moderniser" like Cameron who backed remain out of expediency.

 

[The Speaker]

Blair suspended habeus corpus and allowed extradition to the US without prima facie evidence. How is that in any way liberal? He oversaw a massive increase in the reach of the state, again - how is that liberal?

Political liberalism is not fussed about government interference as long as it doesn't impinge on the market, and can easily justify the things you mention in the name of 'rights', because 'rights' are an easy thing to fiddle with. Whose rights are more important?

There are some liberals who are also absolutely sure that all forms of government interference anywhere are a threat to be stopped, but they are not the only liberals that exist. The uniting factor amongst all liberals, from libertarians to social liberals, is their devotion to the market and to individualism. That is the wya it has evolved from a philosophy to a political ideological group.

 

[medusala]

Political liberalism is not fussed about government interference as long as it doesn't impinge on the market, and can easily justify the things you mention in the name of 'rights', because 'rights' are an easy thing to fiddle with. Whose rights are more important?

Blair only just tinkered with market solutions in health and other areas. He was hardly on a par with Thatcher and her devotion to Hayek

It was third way crap like Clinton, he pulled back on union laws for example. Any expansion of the state by definition is an impingement of the market and Blair oversaw a very substantial increase in state spending

Neo liberal is a very convenient stick for Corbynites to beat him over the head with. He is HATED by them more than they hate the tories. By painting him as some mad right wing libertarian they think they can pass themselves off as moderates.

Compare health and education in the UK to Australia. Australia has far, far higher private sector involvement in both.

Whose rights are more important?

Ah yes. Is this not the question. Society or the individual?

 

[Crankyhawk]

It's not his use of the word tax haven, it's his blatant class warfare rhetoric - "We'll take it from them and give it to you". He uses a lot more lowest common denominator stuff - "rigged economy" and the like. It's the stuff of fringe politics, not of credible government. The same sort of stuff Trump is (rightly) castigated for.

If class warfare wins elections, be mad not to use it.

 

[medusala]

If class warfare wins elections, be mad not to use it.

Blair might be a campaigner but he knew how to win elections.

His mate Mandelson once said New labour was "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich". They left the top rate of tax at 40% (the Scot fool raised it when pm). Its a doubtful proposition that it works that well (well in England at least, bit different on the other side of Hadrian's wall)

 

[Hank Scorpion]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/

Probably the cringiest interview I've come across. Worse than Natalie Bennett's from last election

 

[medusala]

The right wing media will find new ways to pretend to be offended at his mannerisms.

Yeah its his mannerisms that upset people not his support for terrorism nor his marxist buddy's economic views nor the shadow home sec's inability to do the simplest of maths

NB who was responsible for the post delete re Abbott? WTF was wrong with that?

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/

Probably the cringiest interview I've come across. Worse than Natalie Bennett's from last election

And followed up with another one re the council elections.

One would have to wonder if she slept with someone to get such a key job. Actually one doesnt.

All class.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...byn-showed-off-naked-diane-abbott-to-impress/

 

[KGBeast]

Why would people from a capitalist democracy elect a communist whose ethos dictates that he must destroy the state?

 

[Bomberboyokay]

What communist?

 

[Showbags]

Those that call Corbyn a "Marxist" I'll wager have never actually read a sentence Marx ever wrote.

Those that call Corbyn a "terrorist sympathizer" completely reveal themselves as nothing other than a partisan hack with an agenda to prosecute.

 

[Pessimistic]

Those that call Corbyn a "Marxist" I'll wager have never read actually read a sentence Marx ever wrote.

Those that call Corbyn a "terrorist sympathizer" completely reveal themselves as nothing other than a partisan hack with an agenda to prosecute.

Its just Lazy politics. That seems to be the commonality gamon 'populist' candidates