2017 UK General Election - The Verdict: It's MAYDUP

Fellow Qualifying Commonwealth Citizens - Who Do you Prefer?

  • Conservative and Unionist Party

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  • Liberal Democrats

  • Scottish National Party

  • Plaid Cymru

  • Sinn Féin

  • Democratic Unionist Party

  • United Kingdom Independence Party

  • Social Democratic & Labour Party

  • Green Party

  • John Bercow- Hear Ye Hear Ye!

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We were constantly told that Corbyn is too far left and completely unelectable. The last month has shown that to be a complete furphy. This poll is a further indication that the electorate is warming to Corbyn.
 
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We were constantly told that Corbyn is too far left and completely unelectable. The last month has shown that to be a complete furphy. This poll is a further indication that the electorate is warming to Corbyn.

Or maybe they are just disillusioned by the usual Tory mix of twits, ponces, spivs and bovver boys (and the men are sometimes even worse).
 
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Corbyn has said outright that he expects an election within six months. And with the internal division in the Tories, it could drive more votes to Labour for, ironically, stability. That said, pretty much every poll was wide of the mark, so why put much stock in this one?
 

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Not to mention the fact that Labour is at an institutional disadvantage in just about every seat as the left wing vote is carved between a number of parties whereas the right wing vote coalesces around the Tories (now that the UKIP vote has s**t itself).

Labour has a decent advantage from seat boundaries. They will lose 20-30 seats when the boundaries change this parliament.

Further lib dem voters switch to labour and vice versa depending on who is stronger. The lib dems couldnt win in places like Richmond without that happening.
 

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Corbyn has said outright that he expects an election within six months. And with the internal division in the Tories, it could drive more votes to Labour for, ironically, stability.

Its about to kick off in the labour party though. Over Europe. They have bigger divisions there than the Tories, particularly over freedom of movement.

Whilst there is a small wet moron element in the Tories ie Soubry, Gideon etc labour has big divisions between people like Corbyn who love mass immigration (lets give them all free accommodation in requisitioned penthouses - his latest effort) and northern labour mp's who know their electorates absolutely despise immigration.

As mindbogglingly awful as Diane Abbott is she increased here vote by a large amount, the reason is simple, immigration in to her constituency. Thats a huge part of the reason Labour are doing better in London and why its possible for someone as unsavoury as Khan can be mayor.

Corbyn will have a nightmare trying to reconcile the two groups.
 

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Its about to kick off in the labour party though. Over Europe. They have bigger divisions there than the Tories, particularly over freedom of movement.

Whilst there is a small wet moron element in the Tories ie Soubry, Gideon etc labour has big divisions between people like Corbyn who love mass immigration (lets give them all free accommodation in requisitioned penthouses - his latest effort) and northern labour mp's who know their electorates absolutely despise immigration.

As mindbogglingly awful as Diane Abbott is she increased here vote by a large amount, the reason is simple, immigration in to her constituency. Thats a huge part of the reason Labour are doing better in London and why its possible for someone as unsavoury as Khan can be mayor.

Corbyn will have a nightmare trying to reconcile the two groups.

Sunderland loving Brexit were so furious at Labour division; mass immigration that the entirety of the wards voted Labour

Your post is a shower
 
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Its about to kick off in the labour party though. Over Europe. They have bigger divisions there than the Tories, particularly over freedom of movement.

Whilst there is a small wet moron element in the Tories ie Soubry, Gideon etc labour has big divisions between people like Corbyn who love mass immigration (lets give them all free accommodation in requisitioned penthouses - his latest effort) and northern labour mp's who know their electorates absolutely despise immigration.

As mindbogglingly awful as Diane Abbott is she increased here vote by a large amount, the reason is simple, immigration in to her constituency. Thats a huge part of the reason Labour are doing better in London and why its possible for someone as unsavoury as Khan can be mayor.

Corbyn will have a nightmare trying to reconcile the two groups.
Please tell me why Khan is 'unsavoury'.
 

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Sunderland loving Brexit were so furious at Labour division; mass immigration that the entirety of the wards voted Labour

Labour committed to leaving the single market pre the election. That allowed northern mps to say that freedom of movement was dead

Hence UKIP voters returned

do keep up
 

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Labour has a decent advantage from seat boundaries. They will lose 20-30 seats when the boundaries change this parliament.

Further lib dem voters switch to labour and vice versa depending on who is stronger. The lib dems couldnt win in places like Richmond without that happening.

That second part is possibly true in part. Still a massive overgeneralisation.

If you take all the Lib Dem voters out of each seat Labour would pick up a hell of a lot more seats (i suppose that ofcourse also assumes that the Lib Dem vote would then even turn up for Labour). Much better to have optional preferential voting system.
 

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Labour committed to leaving the single market pre the election. That allowed northern mps to say that freedom of movement was dead

Hence UKIP voters returned

do keep up

If you believe that

I don't like Corbyn for his anti-EU stance over the decades, but he will be reigned in by his party
 

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I get the feeling that if Grenfell Towers happened a month ago you would be seeing Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn. May's response to the disaster has been very poor.

There's real anger that might determine the result regardless in Corbyn's favour

Spoken to a few friends since the disaster; they're ropable
 
There's real anger that might determine the result regardless in Corbyn's favour

Spoken to a few friends since the disaster; they're ropable

Obviously not in the UK so cannot claim to be fully informed on this, but from my readings it seems May has avoided meeting any survivors, which Corbyn and the Queen and Prince William have.

This shows either (a) how out of touch she really is, or (b) being unwilling to answer hard questions from the people that put her there.

Both are a damning indictment on her.
 
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If Grenfell hadn't happened and there was an election in six months, I would have predicted a similar result: Conservative win but no majority. If there's an election within six months, Corbyn will get a majority of his own.
 
Grenfell has echoes of the Titanic disaster. Shows there's a huge gap in how the rich and poor are 'looked after'

A disaster to shake up the malaise
The Tory were prior to the incident bragging about their cutting of Health and Safety Red tape including the reduction in Health and Safety requirements for fire inspections. They seem to have suddenly gone very silent on this since the disaster.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/16/gover...mselves-for-cutting-fire-regulations-6713967/

Government ministers ‘congratulated themselves’ for cutting fire regulations

Charles White for Metro.co.uk
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In February this year, ministers posted on a government website details of their ‘anti-red tape’ agenda on new-build properties. In a separate report fire safety inspections, the Conservatives said, had been reduced for some companies from six hours to just 45 minutes. The move, titled Cutting Red Tape, was part of the Tory plans to abolish a ‘health and safety’ culture that they claimed was hurting money-making businesses.

Residents in Grenfell Tower block have complained that their homes were not properly fire-safe including lack of sprinklers and alarms.

Former Prime Minister David Cameron promised to abolish the ‘albatross’ of ‘over regulation’. He said in 2012 that a Conservative government would: ‘Kill off the health and safety culture for good’. The death toll from the fire in Kensington is expected to rise to almost 100. More than 2,400 pieces of regulation have been scrapped since Cut Red Tape began.

Sajid Javid, the business secretary, launched the Cutting Red Tape initiative in 2015 following the Conservative election victory.

On the official government website it said that it ‘aims to get rid of unnecessary bureaucracy.

‘It intends to shine a light on out of date legislation and confusing implementation of it, such as unhelpful government guidance or needlessly complex inspection regimes, to ensure they make sense.

‘Businesses with good records have had fire safety inspections reduced from six hours to 45 minutes, allowing managers to quickly get back to their day job.’
 
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On Sunday Politics there was some comment from an official report (iirc) re sprinklers...apparently it was decided that it was up to the private sector to market them more effectively to councils etc...

I'll try and dig it up.
 
Cut the tape. Stop the boats. Build the wall.

Who knew the underlying principles are a bit more complicated than that?

Hey I like to live my life by three word slogans.

I'm loving it.
Dine and dash.
Name and shame.
F*** the police.
 
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