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  • Clubs are tipped to be able to retain 20 players each before the draft, with the rest needing either to be traded or delisted. Players without a club will then be eligible to be re-drafted later in the year, along with new entrants to the draft pool.
  • Because of the semi-professional nature of the competition, it's likely player permission will be required before any trade is made, as it would be unfair to ask a player to move interstate given some AFLW players earn less than $10,000. Before the first AFLW draft last year, players were asked to nominate a state in which they wanted to play.
  • It's expected that club lists will expand slightly from 27 players this season to around 30 in 2018. The constraints of fielding a team of 22 weekly from a list of 27 had been an issue for the eight AFLW teams this year, even though there were provisions for replacement players to help clubs deal with season-ending injuries.
  • The AFL has committed to keeping the eight-team structure for next year despite the strong urging of St Kilda and Geelong for the league to reconsider its decision.
  • AFL chiefs are planning an expanded two-week finals series for the women’s game next year after the success of the first season.
  • Broadcast arrangements will also be looked at after Channel Seven and Fox Footy agreed to show this year's season for free.
  • FANS can expect free entry to NAB AFL Women's games in 2018 with the AFL keen for the competition to become entrenched in the sporting calendar.
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  • Clubs are tipped to be able to retain 20 players each before the draft, with the rest needing either to be traded or delisted. Players without a club will then be eligible to be re-drafted later in the year, along with new entrants to the draft pool.
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  • It's expected that club lists will expand slightly from 27 players this season to around 30 in 2018. The constraints of fielding a team of 22 weekly from a list of 27 had been an issue for the eight AFLW teams this year, even though there were provisions for replacement players to help clubs deal with season-ending injuries.
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So by AFL decree, club lists next year will be made up of 2/3 players-from-2017 and 1/3 new players. Which means that 80 players out of a total of 240 will either be traded between clubs or will be new to AFLW. Apparently there are a lot of good juniors coming up, but how many of the 80 would they take up?

Are there still large numbers of women who want to switch from other sports, or was that a "start-up" phenomenon, where most women who want to switch will have already done so?

Will the same structure be maintained of marquee picks, priority picks, rookie-B's, draft picks & free-agents? We (Dees) have 2 marquee players, 1 PP, 2 rookie-B's, 19 draft picks & 3 free agents. Will players from all these categories have to be traded, or only the draftees & FAs?

Could clubs choose to retain more than 20 players from their current list? Or can they at least re-draft them? Having to turn over 7 players out of 27 (about 25%) seems to me a bit excessive, particularly if this has to involve moves interstate etc. Wouldn't it be better, just for the first season, if "everyone who wants to stay can stay"?

Surely if clubs have to add 3 new players to go from 27 to 30, and another 2 or 3 might want to move, that would be enough? And surely it would be better not to change teams too much between the first & second seasons? There's no compulsion on the men's teams to change their much larger lists by this much.
 

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So by AFL decree, club lists next year will be made up of 2/3 players-from-2017 and 1/3 new players. Which means that 80 players out of a total of 240 will either be traded between clubs or will be new to AFLW. Apparently there are a lot of good juniors coming up, but how many of the 80 would they take up?

Are there still large numbers of women who want to switch from other sports, or was that a "start-up" phenomenon, where most women who want to switch will have already done so?

Will the same structure be maintained of marquee picks, priority picks, rookie-B's, draft picks & free-agents? We (Dees) have 2 marquee players, 1 PP, 2 rookie-B's, 19 draft picks & 3 free agents. Will players from all these categories have to be traded, or only the draftees & FAs?

Could clubs choose to retain more than 20 players from their current list? Or can they at least re-draft them? Having to turn over 7 players out of 27 (about 25%) seems to me a bit excessive, particularly if this has to involve moves interstate etc. Wouldn't it be better, just for the first season, if "everyone who wants to stay can stay"?

Surely if clubs have to add 3 new players to go from 27 to 30, and another 2 or 3 might want to move, that would be enough? And surely it would be better not to change teams too much between the first & second seasons? There's no compulsion on the men's teams to change their much larger lists by this much.
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I am not sure all those details are out yet, but my reading is that they have to delist, or trade 7. Those delisted can be redrafted if required. If we have an average 2 traded, 2 delisted and redrafted, and 3 delisted but not redrafted, thats only 3 new players per team. Add on the expansion to 30, and it makes an average 6 new players per team, or a total of 48.

Would have liked to see more delistings, with the understanding decent delisted players get redrafted. However delisting more gives clubs that have realised they have made mistakes in their initial lists to fix them.

I think there are more than enough good juniors coming through, add in seniors putting their hand up for selection, 48 new players easy, even 80.
 
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i think clubs will want to move on talent players, not just talented athletes. the name recognition work is done. Theres a few late 30 year olds who might not get a game next year in favour of girls coming through the academy/tac cup systems.
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The late form of Melbourne shows the benefit of having young players with lots of footy experience. Clean hands, and good decision making are more important than athleticism at this point.

While some of the code hoppers have succeeded, its been a bit hit and miss.
 
We don't know if the clubs will be obliged to take on 2 Cat (Other Sports) rookies like this year, but I think it's more likely than not that they would. So therefore in terms of the "talent pool" in regards to regular U/18 and currently listed players, it's effectively squad sizes of 28, and not 30.

One thing that I think the AFL has to really worry about is that there could be a divide among Vic and non-vic clubs in terms of how young each team's list already is.

Without a national draft system, there's no particular reason for the teams who have a state to themselves to pick up 18 year olds if a 25 year old can make a bigger impact on this season alone.

However with the Victorian clubs jokeying for the (admittedly larger) Victorian talent pool, they could look to lock up some of the best 18 year old talent who will help them in the future as opposed to win in this season alone, and you sort of have a zero-sum game among the 4 Victorian clubs which provides a divide with the 4 other clubs.

Melbourne drafted a lot of the recent U/21 players out of Victoria, and whilst they finished high up on the ladder, there is every chance that they could have finished low down on the ladder on the basis of this - just to give an example, they drafted Deanna Berry, who is 18/19 this season, who played solidly but not brilliantly, in the 2nd round immediately ahead of the now 27 year old Hannah Scott for the Dogs, who is a chance at All-Australian selection but is every chance to be a worse player than Berry two years from now.

Okay, there's no doubt that the best youth players can dominate the competition from round 1, as shown by players like Marinoff, Frederick-Traub etc. having excellent seasons from a young age. But as the development progresses, and the talent pool expands, you'll to consider that the older players will dominate much like the men's AFL - no 1st year player in the last two years has gotten above the league average (75 points) in average supercoach score, and in 2014 and 2013 Bontempelli and Vlastuin barely shaded that level.

Vic Metro has some bloody good talent - they beat Western Australia 75-0 in the last U/18 champs - but one has to consider that the 4 Melbourne clubs will look to "draft and stash" some of this talent for the future, to ensure that the other 3 clubs doesn't do the same thing - beyond the 1st/2nd round that can make an immediate impact - whilst the interstate clubs can wait for that 18 year old to turn 20 and continue to play local footy in Perth/Adelaide/Sydney/Brisbane, whilst getting 2 years out of a 28 year old or whatever.

If I'm Collingwood or the Bulldogs' list management team, I'd be slightly concerned that Carlton/Melbourne seems to have cornered about 90% of the best Victorian talent under the age of 21, so I'd invest heavily into u/18 talent rather than delisted talent. There's the very real possibility that a team like Melbourne might pick up mature-age depth that we as the Dogs delist, but we pick up an u/18 player to make our team younger and Melbourne, already a better team than the Bulldogs, become stronger again for next year along. Then the obvious divide among those 4 clubs and the 4 interstate clubs.
 
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AFL WOMEN’S team lists are set to be increased in 2018 as clubs prepare for a 26-day trade and free agency period.

The eight AFLW clubs have this week been advised that player lists will be extended to a total of 30 players next season — a primary list of 27 players and three rookies who will not have playing rights until upgraded.

During a 19-day May “sign and trade window”, clubs will be permitted to sign up to 22 players by either recontracting current primary list or rookie players or by trading in players from another club.

Clubs will also be permitted to trade both players and draft picks.

Players will continue to be paid in three tiers based on contractual obligations of players, with a free agency window — from May 20-26 — to be introduced for players who are either not offered a contract for 2018 or are offered a contract at a lesser tier than in the inaugural season.

It is expected that the marquee system will be abandoned but an “ambassadorial role” category is being explored.

Restricted free agents are deemed to be players that are offered a position that is below that of which they played in this season and do not want to re-sign with their club, while an unrestricted free agent is defined as when a club does not wish to re-sign a player and a trade cannot be facilitated.

State-based drafts are slated for October with nominations open in September, with the draft order based on reverse finishing positions from the inaugural season, meaning Greater Western Sydney will get the first pick.

Current player contracts expire on April 15.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...8/news-story/791783a14fccd40ce66dc948dbcfb12f
 
With more details for 2018 being provided I thought I would like some speculation with some known facts.

“The eight AFLW clubs have this week been advised that player lists will be extended to a total of 30 players next season — a primary list of 27 players and three rookies who will not have playing rights until upgraded.

During a 19-day May “sign and trade window”, clubs will be permitted to sign up to 22 players by either recontracting current primary list or rookie players or by trading in players from another club.

Clubs will also be permitted to trade both players and draft picks.

Players will continue to be paid in three tiers based on contractual obligations of players, with a free agency window — from May 20-26 — to be introduced for players who are either not offered a contract for 2018 or are offered a contract at a lesser tier than in the inaugural season.

It is expected that the marquee system will be abandoned but an “ambassadorial role” category is being explored.”

I am assuming that the State based drafts continue.

The AFL Academy will have 15 graduates for this Draft with 6 Victorians, 1 Tasmanian, 1 New South Wales, 3 Queenslanders and 4 Western Australians. The Tasmanian girl’s State Draft Nomination becomes pivotal.

The TAC cup is running around with 10 teams but with players playing up a year I am unsure how many players are draft eligible. Would this early draft be unhelpful for schooling.

Quick list of retirements and non re-contracting (delisting).
Kim Mickle – Freo
Jess Bibby – GWS
Kate Sheahan – Collingwood
Kendra Heil – Collingwood

Will clubs keep injured players on the list and this includes the 2 Marquee players Freo + GWS).

The Adelaide Crows list as rated by voting in their Best and Fairest. Player who is rated 23-27 would be:
23. Tayla Thorn
24. Monique Hollick
25. Sophie Armistead
26. Lauren O’Shea
27. Jasmine Anderson

Noting that 4 of the 5 are from NT and this could hurt the partnership.
Thorn is one of the younger players of the group at 18 years old.
Armistead was injured in her first or second game.
Jasmine Anderson was probably the only player in the group not to be chosen to play or emergency.
Does Heather Anderson’s shoulder injury in the Grand Final affect who is delisted noting she was 12th in B&F voting.

Both Freo and GWS have said that they were unhappy with their seasons and would be big players in the Draft and Free Agency

I have done a list of all players who seem to have moved interstate to play in AFLW1 and feel free to debate the merits of moving. Noting 6 Marquees moved from WA but do not expect them to be traded to Freo. Expect clubs to rate the interstate players highly and re-sign them.


Adelaide Crows
Chelsea Randall is a 25 year old marquee player who is club co-captain. She was selected in the All Australian team and was runner up in B&F, doing some Adelaide media.

Kellie Gibson not in leadership group of 2 co-captains and 2 VC she was rated 19th in B&F could be affected by change of marquee to ambassadorial role. Phillips and Marinoff are burning more brightly and overshadowing Gibson. She is only 20 year old and has huge upside and working for SANFL.

Sarah Perkins is a 23 year old who went undrafted and signed as a Free Agent. Selected in the All Australian team and the Leading Goal kicker for the Crows. Her B&F result equal 9th. She would fit into most Melbourne AFLW teams but likely to stay with Adelaide. Almost as much fame as Modra.

It would be interesting if all these three play in the SA competition over winter.

Not interstate players but with ties to Canberra is Jenna McCormick and Talia Radan and with GWS owning ACT. Should the GWS make a play for them. The commute up the highway maybe unappetizing.


Brisbane Lions
Sabrina Frederick-Traub is a 20 year old marquee from WA. All Australian team and Runner up in B& F. Story I liked was just because I played for South Fremantle I support West Coast. She currently works at AFL Queensland as the Participation Programs Coordinator for Game Development.

Kaitlyn Ashmore was selected as a Priority Pick and is a 25 year old from Melbourne University FC. She was selected in the All Australian team.

Brittany Gibson is a 25 year old from Burnie Dockers TAS and nominated and selected in the Queensland Draft.

Nicole Hildebrand is a 23 year old from Melbourne University FC and nominated and selected in the Queensland Draft.

Jessica Wuetschner is a 25 year old Tasmanian who spent the last three years playing for East Fremantle and was part of the Queensland Draft. Maybe Freo should make a play for her. However I expect all Lions to stay.

Fremantle Dockers
All players are from WA competition.

Greater Western Sydney Giants
Renee Forth is a 30 year old marquee player from WA who has spent the season injured in rehab and as development coach. She will help the midfield in 2018.

Emma Swanson is a 22 year old marquee player from WA. She wasn’t in the top 8 for B&F award. However works as a development officer for AFL.

Jessica Dal Pos is a 23 year old from Darebin in Melbourne who approached the Giants and was a priority pick she was selected in the All Australian team and is the inaugural B& F winner.

Phoebe McWilliams is a 31 year KPP from St Kilda Sharks is a priority pick and works in the media.

Louise Stephenson is a 21 year old utility from Melbourne University FC and is a priority pick.

Alex Williams is a 23 year old tall defender from WA who is a priority pick.

Ashleigh Guest is a 25 year old from Melbourne who nominated and selected in the NSW Draft

Aimee Schmidt is a 24 year old from WA who nominated and selected in the NSW Draft.

Alex Saundry is a 24 year old from Melbourne who signed as a Free Agent.

Carlton
All players are from the Victorian competition

Collingwood
Emma King is a 22 year old marquee player from WA and selected in the All Australian team as Ruck.

Caitlyn Edwards is a 20 year old from WA and nominated and selected in the Melbourne Draft.

Tara Morgan is a 27 year old KPP from WA and nominated and selected in the Melbourne Draft.

Ruby Schleicher is a 19 year old Ruck/FWD from WA and nominated and selected in the Melbourne Draft.

Melbourne

Emma Humphries is a 21 year old from Burnie Dockers TAS and nominated and selected in the Melbourne Draft.


Western Bulldogs

Ellyse Gamble is a 19 year old from Burnie Dockers TAS and nominated and selected in the Melbourne Draft.
 
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AFLW clubs will field larger playing lists for the 2018 season.

Adelaide, the inaugural NAB AFL Women’s competition premier, confirmed the changes in a post on the club website on Wednesday afternoon.

The eight clubs will have 30-player lists – 27 so-called primary players plus three rookies. The rookies will not be eligible to play unless they are elevated to the primary list to replace an injured player.

Clubs will be able to sign up to 22 primary-list players from May 1-19, the designated signing and trade period. A one-week free agency period will follow, from May 20.

Under rules in place for the first season of the competition, all players were signed to one-year contracts.

Unsigned players will be able to nominate for the annual draft from September 4-29. The draft will held on October 18.
 
The_Wookie said:

AFLW clubs will field larger playing lists for the 2018 season.

Adelaide, the inaugural NAB AFL Women’s competition premier, confirmed the changes in a post on the club website on Wednesday afternoon.

The eight clubs will have 30-player lists – 27 so-called primary players plus three rookies. The rookies will not be eligible to play unless they are elevated to the primary list to replace an injured player.

Clubs will be able to sign up to 22 primary-list players from May 1-19, the designated signing and trade period. A one-week free agency period will follow, from May 20.

Under rules in place for the first season of the competition, all players were signed to one-year contracts.

Unsigned players will be able to nominate for the annual draft from September 4-29. The draft will held on October 18.
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That has some advantages. The core of your list will know early in the ordinary season that they are on a list, and have all year to manage that. Those not on a list have the whole season to impress prior to the draft.

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The Club’s women’s players will be on mandatory leave until April 17. The players will be available to play football at club/local level, or participate in other sports from May 31.

The AFLW player signing and trade period will take place from May 1 – May 19.

During this period, each Club is able to sign up to 22 players, either from its 2017 primary list or players traded in from other clubs.

AFLW squads will be extended to 30 for Season 2018, which includes 27 senior-listed players and three rookies. Rookies must either be under 21 years of age on January 1, 2018, or not have played Australian Football or been part of an AFL high performance program in the three years prior to May 1, 2017.

A free agency period will follow the trade window, and any un-signed players after that point can nominate for the AFLW Draft to be held on October 18.

The pre-season is expected to start in November ahead of AFLW 2018 next January (dates TBC).

AFLW Key Offseason Dates
April 3 – 17 – Mandated player leave period
May 1 – 19 – Player signing and trade period
May 20 – 26 – Free agency period
May 31 – August 31 – Player integration into SAWFL/other sport if desired
September 4 – September 29 – Un-signed players can nominate for the Draft
October 18 – AFLW Draft
November 1 – January 20, 2018 – AFLW pre-season followed by AFLW 2018 Season (dates TBC by AFL)

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2017-04-05/aflw-injury-and-offseason-update
 
The_Wookie said:
The Club’s women’s players will be on mandatory leave until April 17. The players will be available to play football at club/local level, or participate in other sports from May 31.

The AFLW player signing and trade period will take place from May 1 – May 19.

During this period, each Club is able to sign up to 22 players, either from its 2017 primary list or players traded in from other clubs.

AFLW squads will be extended to 30 for Season 2018, which includes 27 senior-listed players and three rookies. Rookies must either be under 21 years of age on January 1, 2018, or not have played Australian Football or been part of an AFL high performance program in the three years prior to May 1, 2017.

A free agency period will follow the trade window, and any un-signed players after that point can nominate for the AFLW Draft to be held on October 18.

The pre-season is expected to start in November ahead of AFLW 2018 next January (dates TBC).

AFLW Key Offseason Dates
April 3 – 17 – Mandated player leave period
May 1 – 19 – Player signing and trade period
May 20 – 26 – Free agency period
May 31 – August 31 – Player integration into SAWFL/other sport if desired
September 4 – September 29 – Un-signed players can nominate for the Draft
October 18 – AFLW Draft
November 1 – January 20, 2018 – AFLW pre-season followed by AFLW 2018 Season (dates TBC by AFL)

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2017-04-05/aflw-injury-and-offseason-update
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Freos Gemma Houghton played last weekend.

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I have a dream that Round 1 should be programmed like this

Friday Night - Collingwood v Carlton - Etihad Stadium
Sat Afternoon - GWS v Dogs - Manuka Oval
Sat Night - GF Replay Adelaide v Brisbane - Adelaide Oval
Sun Afternoon - Freo V Melbourne - Fremantle Oval

Even though 2017 Round 1 was originally a Collingwood home game shifted to Ikon (Princes Park).
Make this the only Etihad Stadium game for the season except for Melbourne based team hosting Grand Final.
Hopefully AFL gets their money back off food and drink. Wonder if Eddie could make it for this game.

Manuka is GWS other home ground and nicer setting than Blacktown. Manuka is a good sized stadium at 13k.

Grand Final replay probably unable to get Adelaide Oval but think big as oval probably not needed for cricket. I think they quoted $60k to open stadium. Tell Adelaide you need to earn to play there in Grand Final. If not Norwood Oval is the alternative.

Freo v Melb - Cowan cup, unsure if Cockburn has spectator facilities.
 
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I have a dream that Round 1 should be programmed like this

Friday Night - Collingwood v Carlton - Etihad Stadium
Sat Afternoon - GWS v Dogs - Manuka Oval
Sat Night - GF Replay Adelaide v Brisbane - Adelaide Oval
Sun Afternoon - Freo V Melbourne - Fremantle Oval

Even though 2017 Round 1 was originally a Collingwood home game shifted to Ikon (Princes Park).
Make this the only Etihad Stadium game for the season except for Melbourne based team hosting Grand Final.
Hopefully AFL gets their money back off food and drink. Wonder if Eddie could make it for this game.

Manuka is GWS other home ground and nicer setting than Blacktown. Manuka is a good sized stadium at 13k.

Grand Final replay probably unable to get Adelaide Oval but think big as oval probably not needed for cricket. I think they quoted $60k to open stadium. Tell Adelaide you need to earn to play there in Grand Final. If not Norwood Oval is the alternative.

Freo v Melb - Cowan cup, unsure if Cockburn has spectator facilities.
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Change Adelaide oval to another smaller suburban oval
 
I disagree set Adelaide Crows the task to fill it sufficently for Round 1. Get as many theatre goers. Sell the Adelaide Oval experience as a one off. See if Adelaide v Brisbane can outdraw Collingwood v Carlton attendance wise. Unfurl the flag.
 
Even though we should play the reverse fixtures of 2017. Adelaide played Melbourne at Darwin. Should this continue in 2018 as Melbourne has the NT as a sponsor?
 
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I disagree set Adelaide Crows the task to fill it sufficently for Round 1. Get as many theatre goers. Sell the Adelaide Oval experience as a one off. See if Adelaide v Brisbane can outdraw Collingwood v Carlton attendance wise. Unfurl the flag.
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No chance of the SACA allowing footy at AO that early, especially if the season is starting around Australia Day like has been mentioned.
 
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