2018 Australia vs South Africa - Only T20I @ Carrara Stadium

[King Elvis]

Shamsi man of the match... who votes on this crap...

Not even a donation to a charity of his choice, but to an Australian one.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Shamsi man of the match... who votes on this crap...

He was brilliant.

What's wrong with the decicion?

 

[Scorpus]

The thing is players like Mitch Marsh and Starc are getting prepped for a big series against India.

Only 1 player that played in this match will be playing in the test series and he's the captain.

Well then we're obviously not serious about winning this T20I match

 

[Reign Man]

He was brilliant.

What's wrong with the decicion?

Guess you didn’t see Maxwell top scoring by a mile, taking two catches, one which was jaw dropping and also taking a wicket and bowling economically.

 

[Coasters7]

The thing is players like Mitch Marsh and Starc are getting prepped for a big series against India.

Only 1 player that played in this match will be playing in the test series and he's the captain.

I think that’s where part of the problem is. We’ve essentially got 3 seperate teams playing all 3 forms so no one can get any consistency. Only way to “prep” for international cricket is to play international cricket no matter what form. Back in the glory days we had one set team for all forms, bar the odd switch such as Langer out for ODIs. But it was never a full squad overhaul for a different form of the same game.

For example.. if both Marshes are lined up for the first test with India (not going to argue whether they should or shouldn’t be, let’s just say they are).. both Marshes should be playing in every match of the South African tour. Shouldn’t be any of this picking and choosing which series they can “rest and prepare” because it’s ALL international cricket so it all counts..

 

[Andronicus]

I think that’s where part of the problem is. We’ve essentially got 3 seperate teams playing all 3 forms so no one can get any consistency. Only way to “prep” for international cricket is to play international cricket no matter what form. Back in the glory days we had one set team for all forms, bar the odd switch such as Langer out for ODIs. But it was never a full squad overhaul for a different form of the same game.

For example.. if both Marshes are lined up for the first test with India (not going to argue whether they should or shouldn’t be, let’s just say they are).. both Marshes should be playing in every match of the South African tour. Shouldn’t be any of this picking and choosing which series they can “rest and prepare” because it’s ALL international cricket so it all counts..

Agree.

A few changes is ok, but full swing is just too much.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Guess you didn’t see Maxwell top scoring by a mile, taking two catches, one which was jaw dropping and also taking a wicket and bowling economically.

We lost easily. It was always going to go to a South African. 20+ runs in a 10 over game is a massive margin.

 

[King Elvis]

Maxwell shits me, and he did tonight as well, but we have much bigger issues.

 

[damochandler]

Guess you didn’t see Maxwell top scoring by a mile, taking two catches, one which was jaw dropping and also taking a wicket and bowling economically.

Jaw dropping catch that is practiced daily and happens nearly every match

 

[Scorpus]

I think that’s where part of the problem is. We’ve essentially got 3 seperate teams playing all 3 forms so no one can get any consistency. Only way to “prep” for international cricket is to play international cricket no matter what form. Back in the glory days we had one set team for all forms, bar the odd switch such as Langer out for ODIs. But it was never a full squad overhaul for a different form of the same game.

For example.. if both Marshes are lined up for the first test with India (not going to argue whether they should or shouldn’t be, let’s just say they are).. both Marshes should be playing in every match of the South African tour. Shouldn’t be any of this picking and choosing which series they can “rest and prepare” because it’s ALL international cricket so it all counts..

And I know it's a bit different because South Africa are the visiting team, but they basically did this with their ODI and T20I squads.

Only four SA players differed between the formats. We swapped out six including all four of our specialist bowlers.

I dare say if we kept our ODI line-up and switched maybe Hazlewood and Zampa for Tye and Stanlake that we would have been a lot better off. We certainly wouldn't have had our entire top 6 batting line-up trying to idiotically cannon or ramp the ball out of the stadium every shot, and we might have bowled a few yorkers.

 

[Papa Juggs]

We lost because of bowling not batting.

We chucked them pies short of a length easy to elevate over the midfield.

They bowled a full length and our batsmen under pressure to hit runs got caught out around the circle just not able to get enough height to get over fielders.

Lynn is not off the hook by any means as he has done nothing in 4 games but the ball that got him was unhittable and would have got almost anybody out trying to play a shot. You can't exactly block when you need 11 an over.

 

[Kappa]

I think that’s where part of the problem is. We’ve essentially got 3 seperate teams playing all 3 forms so no one can get any consistency. Only way to “prep” for international cricket is to play international cricket no matter what form. Back in the glory days we had one set team for all forms, bar the odd switch such as Langer out for ODIs. But it was never a full squad overhaul for a different form of the same game.

For example.. if both Marshes are lined up for the first test with India (not going to argue whether they should or shouldn’t be, let’s just say they are).. both Marshes should be playing in every match of the South African tour. Shouldn’t be any of this picking and choosing which series they can “rest and prepare” because it’s ALL international cricket so it all counts..

"it all counts"

Just how did the random t20 against South Africa count for anything?

 

[JimDocker]

I think that’s where part of the problem is. We’ve essentially got 3 seperate teams playing all 3 forms so no one can get any consistency. Only way to “prep” for international cricket is to play international cricket no matter what form. Back in the glory days we had one set team for all forms, bar the odd switch such as Langer out for ODIs. But it was never a full squad overhaul for a different form of the same game.

For example.. if both Marshes are lined up for the first test with India (not going to argue whether they should or shouldn’t be, let’s just say they are).. both Marshes should be playing in every match of the South African tour. Shouldn’t be any of this picking and choosing which series they can “rest and prepare” because it’s ALL international cricket so it all counts..

Shaun Marsh is currently 72 not out in a red ball game of cricket and has the chance to bat longer for victory today. Do you really think a T20 game would be better preparation for a test match ?

 

[Stopher]

Shaun Marsh is currently 72 not out in a red ball game of cricket and has the chance to bat longer for victory today. Do you really think a T20 game would be better preparation for a test match ?

That's what is so frustrating about the Maxwell situation. He's definitely in the conversation to be in the Test squad (going back to before the UAE tour), yet in that time how much red ball cricket has he had to stake his claim? (including the 'A' tour he wasn't picked for.)

It's getting to the point they could point to his lack of red ball cricket to exclude him from Test selection, yet they're the ones keeping him away from playing!

 

[JimDocker]

That's what is so frustrating about the Maxwell situation. He's definitely in the conversation to be in the Test squad (going back to before the UAE tour), yet in that time how much red ball cricket has he had to stake his claim? (including the 'A' tour he wasn't picked for.)

It's getting to the point they could point to his lack of red ball cricket to exclude him from Test selection, yet they're the ones keeping him away from playing!

Maxwell does not always help himself with some of the shots he plays to get out, but the selectors could not have sabotaged his efforts to stake a claim for a test spot any better/worse.

 

[King Elvis]

They’ve done it to plenty of players over the last decade - pull them from games which will actually strengthen their Test credentials, to carry the drinks.

 

[PhatBoy]

Maxwell does not always help himself with some of the shots he plays to get out, but the selectors could not have sabotaged his efforts to stake a claim for a test spot any better/worse.

If a selector or official is using that criteria to judge players they are doing it wrong.

If a player scores all their runs through deft nudges and working the ball into gaps and gets out trying an ugly swipe across the line then they deserve extra criticism.
But if they get out trying a deft nudge or working the ball to a gap they get exonerated because that’s how they bat most of the time anyway.
Likewise is Jacques Kallis gets out playing a high-elbowed drive he doesn’t get judged because he’s a fantastic exponent of it.


On the same grounds, when players do the majority of their damage using their feet to spinners, hitting ball over the top etc, they shouldn’t be judged any differently. A player like Chris Gayle or Kevin Pietersen inflicts so much damage by playing big shots that it is simple mathematics that sometimes the same method will bring about their downfall. While Maxwell obviously isn’t as good a batsmen as those two, he fits the same description

 

[JimDocker]

If a selector or official is using that criteria to judge players they are doing it wrong.

If a player scores all their runs through deft nudges and working the ball into gaps and gets out trying an ugly swipe across the line then they deserve extra criticism.
But if they get out trying a deft nudge or working the ball to a gap they get exonerated because that’s how they bat most of the time anyway.
Likewise is Jacques Kallis gets out playing a high-elbowed drive he doesn’t get judged because he’s a fantastic exponent of it.


On the same grounds, when players do the majority of their damage using their feet to spinners, hitting ball over the top etc, they shouldn’t be judged any differently. A player like Chris Gayle or Kevin Pietersen inflicts so much damage by playing big shots that it is simple mathematics that sometimes the same method will bring about their downfall. While Maxwell obviously isn’t as good a batsmen as those two, he fits the same description

I think Maxwell should be in the side. He provides an X factor that the side lacks. He has scored hundreds for Australia at all different types of game.

I agree with your argument. If anybody watched the dismissals from the England tests v Sri Lanka, they could criticise them for overplaying the sweep and getting out to it, but it was a risk and reward tactic that worked. They scored mountains of runs playing that way.

 

[Stopher]

Maxwell does not always help himself with some of the shots he plays to get out, but the selectors could not have sabotaged his efforts to stake a claim for a test spot any better/worse.

I get what you're saying, but you could argue that he'd play more conservatively if he was playing the longer forms of the game, as he began to show (finally) last FC season.

Instead, he has been put in the crazy situation of having to 'perform' in some relatively hopeless run chases in the shorter forms, which also counts towards his Test prospects. Meanwhile, he is missing crucial Shield clashes that would clearly be a better preparation for the upcoming Test season (which is even more critical with an Ashes tour coming up.)

 

[JimDocker]

I get what you're saying, but you could argue that he'd play more conservatively if he was playing the longer forms of the game, as he began to show (finally) last FC season.

Instead, he has been put in the crazy situation of having to 'perform' in some relatively hopeless run chases in the shorter forms, which also counts towards his Test prospects. Meanwhile, he is missing crucial Shield clashes that would clearly be a better preparation for the upcoming Test season (which is even more critical with an Ashes tour coming up.)

I think we agree on that. He has been treated terribly.

 

[PhatBoy]

I think Maxwell should be in the side. He provides an X factor that the side lacks. He has scored hundreds for Australia at all different types of game.

I agree with your argument. If anybody watched the dismissals from the England tests v Sri Lanka, they could criticise them for overplaying the sweep and getting out to it, but it was a risk and reward tactic that worked. They scored mountains of runs playing that way.

Absolutely, great example

 

[King Elvis]

I’m more annoyed at McDermott’s dismissal than just about anything.