2018 Brazilian Presidential Election

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The Brazilian democratic system has had a turbulent couple of years, with the impeachment of Dilma, the installation of Temer and the conviction of Lula. Their presidential election, with its first round of voting on Sunday, is causing a great deal of international attention (and I'm kind of surprised there isn't a thread on it already).

Lula, the President from 2003 to 2011, was leading the polls with a comfortable majority. Previously acknowledged as the most popular politician in the world, he has controversially been barred from running as a candidate in this election due to being found guilty of corruption and money laundering. His party (the left wing Workers' Party) has, in his place, put forward the former Sao Paolo Mayor Fernando Haddad. He is currently polling second with approximately 22% of the vote. This is well below Lula's polling numbers, although he has only been the official party nominee for less than a month, as Lula was still appealing his barring in the courts.

Leading the polls is Jair Bolsonaro from the far right Social Liberal Party (unusual name for a far right party, but I digress), who is currently sitting at around 36% of the vote. Bolsonaro has previously been called the most misogynistic, hateful elected official in the democratic world and the world's most repulsive politician. He has caused controversy in saying that women should be paid less than men (and that, of his children, his daughter was conceived in a moment of weakness), has said that Brazil's military dictatorship's error was in torturing where it should have killed (and made similar comments that Pinochet in nearby Chile should have killed more people), has said he would prefer his son to die in a car accident than to turn out to be gay, has said that he would attack two men if he came across them kissing in the street, and has implied his support for the forced sterilisation of the poor. His polling has surged since a failed assassination attempt a month ago.

The other left wing party is polling third with around 11% of the vote, centrist parties (including the party of President Michel Temer) are cumulatively polling 15% and the "mainstream" right party is polling around 3% (inverted commas because they are mainstream as we traditionally know it, clearly given the polling they are not who Brazilian conservatives are currently gravitating towards).

The likely outcome from this weekend is that a second vote will be required between Haddad and Bolsonaro, which would take place on 28 October. Polls suggest such a vote would be extremely close.

This is an extremely important election for both Brazil and the Global South, and indeed the democratic world, where far right politics seem increasingly to be on the rise.
 

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I wonder how long before one of our resident despot enthusiasts will come out in favour of this fellow.
Part of the reasons candidates like this become popular is because of the repulsive behavior of hard-lefties like yourself, not that such a notion will ever get through your thick skull. :D

It's even worse in Brazil because they have such a long history of corruption. Lula da Silva wanted to run from jail! What a laugh!

2014 was apparently rigged, and if Bolsonaro loses the final vote in 3 weeks, there will almost certainly be a military coup. That's what you get for decades worth of corrupt socialism.
 
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Leading the polls is Jair Bolsonaro from the far right Social Liberal Party (unusual name for a far right party, but I digress)

National Socialist German Workers' Party is also an unusual name for a far right party, maybe it's more of a horseshoe than a bar and when you reach the extremes you are actually pretty much the same crooks.
 

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-...-wins-47-per-cent-in-brazil-election/10350766

Right-wing candidate Jair Bolsonaro claimed 47 per cent of the vote in the first round of Brazil's presidential election, falling short of the outright majority needed to avoid a run-off.

With 92 per cent of votes counted, Mt Bolsonaro had received 47 per cent of valid votes, far ahead of former Sao Paulo mayor and leftist rival Fernando Haddad's 28 per cent, electoral court TSE reported.

The pair will now enter a second round run-off vote on October 28.
 

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National Socialist German Workers' Party is also an unusual name for a far right party, maybe it's more of a horseshoe than a bar and when you reach the extremes you are actually pretty much the same crooks.

Now I definitely know to scroll past all your posts
 

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Amazing that he is actually still alive after being stabbed whilst campaigning in the streets only weeks ago.
 

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Hilarious. The most Guardian headline of all time.

The candidate has openly said that his government will bring the military in to murder thousands of poor communities that oppose him, as well as encouraging the police and his supporters to kill his socialist political opponents in the streets, and their main take on it is that he's a homophobe and mean to women.
 

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National Socialist German Workers' Party is also an unusual name for a far right party, maybe it's more of a horseshoe than a bar and when you reach the extremes you are actually pretty much the same crooks.
How does that work for liberalism? As in Social Liberal Party?
 
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How does that work for liberalism? As in Social Liberal Party?

Social liberal would generally fall pretty close to the centre i would have thought? I consider myself pretty socially liberal. Maybe the horseshoe is more representative of system of government and economy than social aspect of the political spectrum.
 

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Social liberal would generally fall pretty close to the centre i would have thought? I consider myself pretty socially liberal. Maybe the horseshoe is more representative of system of government and economy than social aspect of the political spectrum.
This guy is a fascist who openly desires a military dictatorship. Maybe the horseshoe theory is a load of shite.
 

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Social liberal would generally fall pretty close to the centre i would have thought? I consider myself pretty socially liberal. Maybe the horseshoe is more representative of system of government and economy than social aspect of the political spectrum.

This guy is a fascist who openly desires a military dictatorship. Maybe the horseshoe theory is a load of shite.

Only one major party in Australia debating whether to kick gay kids out of school. And it's not Labor or the Greens. When someone tells you politicians are all the same, tell them to * off.
 
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This guy is a fascist who openly desires a military dictatorship. Maybe the horseshoe theory is a load of shite.

Oh so commies are all about democracy and freedom are they?

I have no idea what got you into a mood maybe it hits home or something, i was talking in general that Commies and Facists share a lot of shitty traits not this guy in particular it was just a note on the name of the party and another party in history.

Only one major party in Australia debating whether to kick gay kids out of school. And it's not Labor or the Greens. When someone tells you politicians are all the same, tell them to **** off.

Wow way to take it to its extreme.
 

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Oh so commies are all about democracy and freedom are they?

I have no idea what got you into a mood maybe it hits home or something, i was talking in general that Commies and Facists share a lot of shitty traits not this guy in particular it was just a note on the name of the party and another party in history.
Depends what sort of communist you're talking about. If you've ever seen a student Trotskyist meeting they're obsessively democratic to the point of parody. There was always many different types of communist tendencies, it was just the most brutal that won power in their revolutions. A simplification but good enough for now.
 
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Depends what sort of communist you're talking about. If you've ever seen a student Trotskyist meeting they're obsessively democratic to the point of parody. There was always many different types of communist tendencies, it was just the most brutal that won power in their revolutions. A simplification but good enough for now.

I'm sure there is an obscure sect of facism that are rabidly pro democracy as well. We're off topic for this thread though I'm sure there is a communist thread somewhere?
 

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I'm sure there is an obscure sect of facism that are rabidly pro democracy as well. We're off topic for this thread though I'm sure there is a communist thread somewhere?
Sure, but the point of fascism is concentrated power, where as communism is "meant" to have egalitarian, democratic ie. "flat" power structures, so to be honest the comparison doesn't work as well. There's a reason North Korea calls itself democratic.
 
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