AFL 2018 Brownlow Medal

[NutnButAPnut]

Can someone please request a byob on Sportsbet to win by 6+?

Titch to win by atleast 6 has been on there for ages at $2.50

 

[Trucker Tiger]

Titch to win by atleast 6 has been on there for ages at $2.50

Thanks, boss. The ol’ eyesight ain’t what it used to be.

 

[TheJanuaryMan]

Some interesting BYOBrownlow at Sportsbet:

Ablett to poll equal or greater than Grundy at 3.25: I have Ablett beating Grundy comfortably, and if some feel the latter may underpoll, then this is a fair chance

Mitchell/Martin quinella: Beams \top 5; Dangerfield, Fyfe, McRae all top 20: 19s

Dangerfield to get top votes in rnds 10, 17 and 20: rnd 20 is the trick here. I gave him no votes for 39 possessions against Richmond but it is the type of game the umps may love - worth a tickle at 27s

Mitchell win: Beams, Oliver, Martin top 5; Coniglio, Gaff top 10 - $126. Gaff is the one I think will spoil this one, as well as Coniglio - but both are the type who may surprise, but at those odds, its worth a look

 

[Effes]

Brownlow Medal: Stats, whacks and umpires getting stuck into each other
Scott Spits
22 September 2018 — 9:07pm

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  It doesn’t quite attract the same fascination as war cabinet decision-making, but the process by which umpires decide on the right 3-2-1 Brownlow combination for dozens of AFL matches does hold a level of mystique.
  
  Potential personal vendettas; the emphasis (or lack thereof) on kicks, marks and handballs; snide comments between umpires and players: they’re all grist for the mill before the revelation of the Brownlow winner or winners at the start of each grand final week.
  
  
  
  
  Former umpire Jordan Bannister (left) speaks to Melbourne's Chris Dawes in 2012.
  
  Photo: AAP
  The biggest question is usually thus: Is it still appropriate for the game’s on-field adjudicators to be sorely responsible for determining the AFL best-and-fairest recipient?
  
  In the debate about measuring the best player in the game, and viewed in the light of what myriad other awards can throw up, the second component of that measurement - the fairest player in the game - shouldn’t easily be forgotten.
  
  It’s why the history books will never list Andrew Gaff as the 2018 Brownlow medallist. It also ignites the question of to what degree are field umpires impacted by their interactions - for want of a better word - with players in the heat of battle. The answers are not clear-cut, for the men in white - or yellow, or green, or red for that matter - are human like the rest of us and possibly affected by unconscious bias.
  
  
  One recently retired umpire, Jordan Bannister - who also played at the highest level - said umpires being influenced by on-field abuse probably happened less than people thought.
  
  ‘‘I have never witnessed an umpire make a personal comment when doing Brownlow votes in all my years of umpiring,’’ said Bannister, who umpired 95 matches between 2012 and 2016.
  
  ‘‘I actually remember a conversation with an unnamed umpire that went, ‘Geez, he was a sook tonight. I was that sick of hearing his voice. But he’s getting votes. He was brilliant’.
  
  ‘‘This is a common thing post-game. The umpires take their role of giving Brownlow votes as a privilege. They really do.’’
  
  One umpiring veteran, 200-gamer Mathew James, acknowledged it was inevitable for incidents such as on-field indiscretions or match-day reports to influence umpires, even subtly.
  
  
  
  
  
  Former umpire Mathew James with Sydney's Barry Hall in 2005.
  
  Photo: Fairfax Media
  ‘‘If you’ve got a player who’s constantly abusing you, or abusing other players, and there’s other factors involved, of course that’s got to come into it,’’ said James, whose career spanned 11 seasons until 2009.
  
  ‘‘It is the fairest and best player ... I think those things definitely come into it.’’
  
  Umpires insist they take their roles seriously, for reaching an agreement between four individuals - sometimes with a different view of events - is not always straightforward and, no, the stats don’t come into it.
  
  ‘‘Umpires actually never check stats after the game,’’ Bannister said.
  
  
  ‘‘I would be lying if I didn’t look up at the big screen at quarter-time and three-quarter-time to take a look ... but that was more to see how the game was playing out or just out of interest. Being so close to the game gives you the greatest view of the game, the intensity, the communications among players etc etc. All [the] ingredients for a player’s value during the game.’’
  
  James agrees, and said the role of the emergency umpire could be helpful.
  
  ‘‘I think for an umpire in umpiring, the No.1 thing that you hang your hat on is integrity. I don’t think any umpire out there would deviate from that,’’ he said.
  
  ‘‘So 100 per cent, it’s just the three field umpires [reaching a decision], not even the umpires’ coach, not even the boundary umpires, you wouldn’t even consult with them.
  
  ‘‘It’s just literally those three field umpires plus the emergency umpire - who can give you some really good input. Obviously sitting on the bench he can see some other things as well. You do rely on him a little bit. It’s just another set of eyes.
  
  
  ‘‘I’ve been retired a long time now, but back in the early days, you know, you would actually rely on the emergency umpire to have a sneaky look halfway through the last quarter on the scoreboard - if they put the stats up. Just to get a little bit of information. But those days are well and truly gone now.’’
  
  The process that leads to achieving consensus on the right 3-2-1 combination can vary enormously.
  
  ‘‘There’s some days where it stands out like the proverbial dog’s you know what,’’ James said.
  
  ‘‘There’s other occasions where you actually can’t come to a consensus because you might have real differences of opinion. You know it might take 45 minutes, it might take an hour, it might take an hour and a half.
  
  ‘‘The reality is you can’t leave the ground until you’ve done those votes and the envelope is signed and sealed.
  
  
  “Obviously, sometimes, there’s pressures if you’re in Perth and you’re flying out directly afterwards. There’s not a lot of time in between. You certainly get put under a fair amount of pressure.’’
  
  Bannister cited a game from six years ago when it took more than an hour of debate to reach agreement. Hawthorn beat Collingwood soundly by 47 points but two players from the losing team - Dayne Beams (34 possessions and four goals) and Dane Swan (49 touches) - had a sizeable impact.
  
  ‘‘[It was] an incredibly difficult game to select the 3, 2, 1,’’ Bannister recalled.
  
  ‘‘We went with [Sam] Mitchell, Swan and [Jordan] Lewis. Beams was extremely stiff and Mitchell didn’t have the stats that many had but we felt he had the biggest influence on the game. That is the key, which player has the biggest influence on the game.
  
  ‘‘A player can play in a loss of 20 points but perhaps if he didn’t play, they lose by 70 points. So his value doesn’t need to be measured by a win or loss necessarily.’’
  
  
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  It should come as no surprise that umpires take extreme pride in being responsible for determining the league’s prestigious individual medal.
  
  Bannister is content for the time-honoured AFL individual award to remain an umpire’s award.
  
  ‘‘I can’t remember a Brownlow they really got wrong,’’ he said.
  
  ‘‘I’ve seen some horrendous voting in the media and by the coaches. It’s easy to critique others but I don’t think anybody would have the opinion that umpires get it terribly wrong.
  
  
  ‘‘Look at the AFLPA MVP awards since 2005. Every single award has been won by a midfielder. They are in the play for a lot longer, therefore can have a longer influence on the game. That doesn’t mean they get the votes every game but it certainly gives them the greatest chance.’’
  
  Regardless, come the Monday night of grand final week the game's adjudicators can be a nervous bunch.
  
  ‘‘We used to gather at Barassi’s pub on Brownlow night and all sit there, just hoping [with your game] that you got it right and someone didn’t do a Greg Williams and get 65 touches and didn’t get a vote!’’ said James.
  
  “Which is always a bit of fun - if it wasn’t you and it was one of the other umpires!
  
  “From when I first started on the AFL list in '99, it was a regular occurrence that we just get together at the pub and have a feed and have a couple of beers - obviously for the guys that aren’t umpiring [that week].
  
  
  ‘‘That was good. Because you’re in it together ... I don’t say we’re a footy club, because we’re far from that, but there’s a lot of banter. So if someone stuffs it up, you absolutely want to get stuck into them because it’s not you!’’
  

 

[TheJanuaryMan]

Great article which- yet again - pours water on the ever-repeated myth that umpires check stats before doing votes.

 

[bebji]

Who will win the most votes for Hawthorn(w/o mitchell), Gold Coast, GWS, St Kilda, Sydney? They are the hardest to pick for me... but I like a longshot so I have Gunston, Lyons, Ward, Gresham, JPK in a multi.

 

[X_box_X]

Not much interest in Betfair markets apart from the winner market. Previous two years there was a lot more action.

 

[AusMC]

Hey lads,
What do you think of the following:

On TAB:
Merrett (Treble grp A) to beat Breust & Hawkins 1.55 (has come in from 1.75)
Pendles h2h over Cotchin 1.45
Zorko most votes w/o Beams 1.45

All seem pretty good to me as 'banker' legs in multis, what do you reckon?
Any others you've got?

 

[Browney2006]

Some interesting BYOBrownlow at Sportsbet:

Ablett to poll equal or greater than Grundy at 3.25: I have Ablett beating Grundy comfortably, and if some feel the latter may underpoll, then this is a fair chance

Mitchell/Martin quinella: Beams \top 5; Dangerfield, Fyfe, McRae all top 20: 19s

Dangerfield to get top votes in rnds 10, 17 and 20: rnd 20 is the trick here. I gave him no votes for 39 possessions against Richmond but it is the type of game the umps may love - worth a tickle at 27s

Mitchell win: Beams, Oliver, Martin top 5; Coniglio, Gaff top 10 - $126. Gaff is the one I think will spoil this one, as well as Coniglio - but both are the type who may surprise, but at those odds, its worth a look

Haven’t really looked into it but I always assumed the BYO bets through sportsbet etc were never good value. I could be way off though

 

[Womboksgalore]

Some interesting BYOBrownlow at Sportsbet:

Like this one a fair bit:

Mitchell win: Beams, Oliver, Martin top 5; Coniglio, Gaff top 10 - $126. Gaff is the one I think will spoil this one, as well as Coniglio - but both are the type who may surprise, but at those odds, its worth a look

 

[X_box_X]

It has come back a bit, but I reckon Gaff at $2.50 to beat Heppell and Sidebottom on UBET in their trios is still good value.

 

[Thedeftouch]

Not much interest in Betfair markets apart from the winner market. Previous two years there was a lot more action.

Action will heat up tonight. I’ll be laying everything.

 

[timster]

Best one game 3 vote option ie lymch r2 vs blues 1.10 bet365? Any better options??

 

[jack 23]

Best one game 3 vote option ie lymch r2 vs blues 1.10 bet365? Any better options??

I liked

Geelong v demons
Hawkins

Sydney v Geelong rd 6
Kennedy

Geelong v Gold Coast rd 12 I think
Ablett

 

[james95]

Just a few to have a dabble on - all with TAB

Bet #1 - 10 stakes
Laird
Zorko w/o Beams
Fyfe
Dangerfield
Coniglio
Higgins
Martin
Bont w/o Macrae
Gaff to beat Heppell


Bet #2 - 10 stakes
Laird
Zorko w/o Beams
Bont w/o Macrae
Gaff group C (Higgins, Franklin, Coniglio, Pendlebury, Gray)
Neale group E (DeGoey, Heeney, Cunnington, Lambert, Kelly)


Bet #3 - 5 stakes
Dangerfield
Martin
JPK
Gaff


Bet #4 - 1 stake
Groups
A: Beams (Martin, Cripps, Oliver, Macrae, Fyfe)
C: Gaff (Higgins, Franklin, Coniglio, Pendlebury, Gray)
E: Neale (De Goey, Heeney, Cunnington, Lambert, Kelly)
F: JPK (Selwood, Steven, Smith, Ward, Bontempelli)

Bet #5 - 0.5 stakes
Laird
Zorko w/o Beams
Sidebottom
Merrett
Coniglio
Danger
O’Meara w/o Mitchell
Gray
Lambert w/o Martin
JPK
Gaff

Bet #6 - 3 stakes
Laird
Zorko w/o Beams
Merrett
Bont w/o Macrae
Gaff group C (Higgins, Franklin, Coniglio, Pendlebury, Gray)
Neale group E (DeGoey, Heeney, Cunnington, Lambert, Kelly)

Bet #7 - 0.5 stakes
Cripps to beat Grundy
Gaff to beat Heppell
Ablett to beat Franklin
Zorko w/o Beams
Fiorini
Coniglio
O’Meara w/o Mitchell
Higgins
Martin
Bont w/o Macrae

Bet #8 - 2.5 stakes
Zorko w/o Beams
Coniglio
Dangerfield
Martin
Gaff
Bontempelli w/o Macrae

Bet #9 - 0.5 stakes
Laird
Zorko w/o Beams
Sidebottom
Fyfe
Coniglio
Gawn
Higgins
Martin
Steven
JPK
Gaff
Bontempelli w/o Macrae

Bet #10 - 2 stakes
Zorko w/o Beams
Dangerfield
Coniglio
O’Meara w/o Mitchell
Lambert w/o Martin
Gaff to beat Heppell

Bet #11 - 8 stakes
Dangerfield
Coniglio
JPK
Gaff to beat Heppell
Pendlebury to beat Cotchin

Bet #12 - 5 stakes
Merrett trio A (Breust, Hawkins)
Hogan trio B (Darling, Gunston)
Mitchell over 27.5
Beams over 19.5

Trifecta’s - inc Mitchell, Martin, Gawn, Cripps, Grundy
5 stakes - Mitchell, Martin, Gawn
5 stakes - Mitchell, Gawn, Martin

Handicap - 5 stakes
Mitchell +0

 

[footyfan000001]

I’m a huge fan of Crouch beating Laird. Crouch without laird is $1.60 with bet365. I have laird not polling that well. Crouch could be worth a little punt at $7-$8 to win Adelaide’s.

Also like:

Mitchell over 27.5
Selwood over 13.5
Danger over 15.5
Beams over 18.5

 

[jack 23]

wheres beams over

I’m a huge fan of Crouch beating Laird. Crouch without laird is $1.60 with bet365. I have laird not polling that well. Crouch could be worth a little punt at $7-$8 to win Adelaide’s.

Also like:

Mitchell over 27.5
Selwood over 13.5
Danger over 15.5
Beams over 18.5

18.5 please

 

[jack 23]

wheres beams over

18.5 please

tabtouch. but $1.55?

 

[bph25]

Wh

I’m a huge fan of Crouch beating Laird. Crouch without laird is $1.60 with bet365. I have laird not polling that well. Crouch could be worth a little punt at $7-$8 to win Adelaide’s.

Also like:

Mitchell over 27.5
Selwood over 13.5
Danger over 15.5
Beams over 18.5

ere overs at?

 

[footyfan000001]

Wh

ere overs at?

Sportsbet

 

[Analysis Paralysis]

I’m a huge fan of Crouch beating Laird. Crouch without laird is $1.60 with bet365. I have laird not polling that well. Crouch could be worth a little punt at $7-$8 to win Adelaide’s.

Also like:

Mitchell over 27.5
Selwood over 13.5
Danger over 15.5
Beams over 18.5

Crouch didn't poll as well as I thought he might last year, so I'm wondering if he'll do the same to me this year.

That said, I`ve taken him at $7.5. Might burn me again but I think with Sloane out for a bit as well as out of touch, Crouch has a better chance of leading the Adelaide count.

 

[footyfan000001]

Crouch didn't poll as well as I thought he might last year, so I'm wondering if he'll do the same to me this year.

That said, I`ve taken him at $7.5. Might burn me again but I think with Sloane out for a bit as well as out of touch, Crouch has a better chance of leading the Adelaide count.

Crouch 11 and Laird 9 last year. Has laird had a worse or better season this year? I’d say worse and crows lost more games. I’d also look at Laird under 15.5.

 

[Red Dog Styles]

Is anyone going to be keeping an eye on the ladbrokes wild card markets each hour tomorrow? I will and ill try and post them. Midday - 7pm. One per hour

On [device_name] using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[demon_fanatic]

Crouch 11 and Laird 9 last year. Has laird had a worse or better season this year? I’d say worse and crows lost more games. I’d also look at Laird under 15.5.

Laird started on fire though depends if umps recognize it this year..will have a gauge early.will def poll over 9

 

[X_box_X]

Is anyone going to be keeping an eye on the ladbrokes wild card markets each hour tomorrow? I will and ill try and post them. Midday - 7pm. One per hour

On [device_name] using BigFooty.com mobile app

I thought it was Sportsbet who offered them?