List Mgmt. 2018 Draft, Free Agency & Trade Hypotheticals thread, Part II: Nothing happened!

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Really hoping Ryan Clarke could be the next Josh Kennedy type of move we make (As in getting an unwanted player who becomes a star)!

Last year, in a role where he was used down back mostly, he managed 20 or more disposals in 10 games - Averaging 20 for the season.
Considering he's 21-years old, really shows there is serious potential! 20 touches a game at that age really shows you've got something.

Hopefully the Swans can use him to the best of his ability and have him become an even better player. He's played 40 games, so enough experience to really start taking it up to the next level.

Great signing by the club!
Good thing about him is his age. Still very young so we can mould him into a Swan and his development can happen alongside a raft of other young Swans at a similar stage in their careers.
 

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You said it yourself. Langdon, Melican, Sir Dane and Aliir. There’s your back line. You have two talls - one who can play loose (Aliir), and two medium-sized defenders - one who can play tall (Sir Dane). That is flexibility. Grundy becomes depth, which ain’t a bad thing at all (albeit would feel wrong seeing Reg in the NEAFL again)
I think that would actually be inflexible

Not much rebound from defense, four guys 190cm or more but only one can play on the key positions
then factor in Smith and McVeigh, pretty slow
Puts a lot of pressure on Melican whos only played about 20 games and had recurrent injuries
Both Rampe and Langdon as 3rd talls is overkill

He's no Grundy replacement and if he comes at the opportunity cost of replenishing the mids with some pace and skill then i feel we have erred
and with all this defensive focused (ie Moore, Langdon, Jonas?) why not wait till after trades before offering Grundy and McVeigh contracts, that would have been flexible
 

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I think that would actually be inflexible

Not much rebound from defense, four guys 190cm or more but only one can play on the key positions
then factor in Smith and McVeigh, pretty slow
Puts a lot of pressure on Melican whos only played about 20 games and had recurrent injuries
Both Rampe and Langdon as 3rd talls is overkill

He's no Grundy replacement and if he comes at the opportunity cost of replenishing the mids with some pace and skill then i feel we have erred
and with all this defensive focused (ie Moore, Langdon, Jonas?) why not wait till after trades before offering Grundy and McVeigh contracts, that would have been flexible
Don’t ask me, I don’t think we should’ve re-signed McVeigh anyway. But the difference is when you have key defenders that don’t need any help from the smalls, then the smalls can focus more on rebounding and such. A lot of the time this year Jones, Lloyd etc were left in complete mis-matches because one of our taller defenders was caught out of position. Langdon would mean we have four perfectly adequate defenders who can take a man and still help each other out without having to hold the smaller, quicker defenders hostage to one on ones.

But I agree, enough of the plodderish McVeigh types. Hopefully Ling or Stoddart or COR will push for senior selection with some pace and edge Macca out of the side.
 

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Don’t ask me, I don’t think we should’ve re-signed McVeigh anyway.

But I agree, enough of the plodderish McVeigh types. Hopefully Ling or Stoddart or COR will push for senior selection with some pace and edge Macca out of the side.
Do you mind explaining why you wouldn't want McVeigh in the side?

He was incredibly important to us all year and is one of the few players in our side who can actually create with his disposal.

Not everything in AFL is about pace or how hard you can run, if it was then Hartung would be invaluable.
 

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Langdon would be a good addition but IMO we still need one big defender like Steven Mays build to make our backline look more sturdy. Rampe, Grundy and Melican are just a bit undersized and may not be able to rely on the spare man floating in due to the potential rule changes. Whether we've seen someone in the draft we like or perhaps have another player up our sleeve, or maybe we just can't acquire someone like this during this trade/draft period, I'm not sure.

I thought that would be our primary aim this trade period. However, in saying that, we have so many things to fix perhaps we just cant fix them all in one end of season period.
 

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Do you mind explaining why you wouldn't want McVeigh in the side?

He was incredibly important to us all year and is one of the few players in our side who can actually create with his disposal.

Not everything in AFL is about pace or how hard you can run, if it was then Hartung would be invaluable.
Correct he was important to us and one of our better players at times. And that is the problem. A 32(?) year old with little to no physicality in his game should not be one of our better players. He should be struggling to compete for his spot against younger guys who are harder and quicker. Hopefully that will be the case next year if Ling, Stoddart, COR etc can stay fit and push their cases.
 

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Don’t ask me, I don’t think we should’ve re-signed McVeigh anyway. But the difference is when you have key defenders that don’t need any help from the smalls, then the smalls can focus more on rebounding and such. A lot of the time this year Jones, Lloyd etc were left in complete mis-matches because one of our taller defenders was caught out of position. Langdon would mean we have four perfectly adequate defenders who can take a man and still help each other out without having to hold the smaller, quicker defenders hostage to one on ones.

But I agree, enough of the plodderish McVeigh types. Hopefully Ling or Stoddart or COR will push for senior selection with some pace and edge Macca out of the side.
Hannebery on Roughead.

I'm not convinced that Langdon can compete with those bigger talls. I haven't seen enough of him in those sort of roles, so he very well may.
But Rampe can't. And if Aliir has to it takes away from his strengths. Leaving just Melican. So to me that is inadequate, and I don't see how swapping Grundy for Langdon will help us compete better in the air.

I really haven't seen enough of Langdon to know whether he is worth it. But I'm real doubtful that a defense heavy 22 is a good model.

A few years ago when Geelong cut Hamling I thought he was too good for VFL but we already had Rampe and Laidler. Now I wish we'd picked him up just to thwart the Bulldogs doing so.
 

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Correct he was important to us and one of our better players at times. And that is the problem. A 32(?) year old with little to no physicality in his game should not be one of our better players. He should be struggling to compete for his spot against younger guys who are harder and quicker. Hopefully that will be the case next year if Ling, Stoddart, COR etc can stay fit and push their cases.
What if his attributes so outweigh his deficiencies that they result in him being one of the best players in our side?
 

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What if his attributes so outweigh his deficiencies that they result in him being one of the best players in our side?
I don’t think they do though. At times he was among our best and at other times he was among our worst. As happens when you’re in your twilight years you get exposed more often. Assuming he is no terminator, his good to poor games ratio will probably become more unbalanced next year.
 

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I think Langdon would be a great get.

More about helping the midfield than bolstering our defense by a significant amount.

But ultimately you can really only go for who is available - If that means there is no suitable KPD this year then theres not much to be about it.
 

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I don’t think they do though. At times he was among our best and at other times he was among our worst. As happens when you’re in your twilight years you get exposed more often. Assuming he is no terminator, his good to poor games ratio will probably become more unbalanced next year.
He shits me because he doesn't put his head over it enough and he is too easily got around by runners, but there is no denying the playing group as a whole does better with Macca in the side. That's why he still playing with us and it's the bottom line.
 

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He shits me because he doesn't put his head over it enough and he is too easily got around by runners, but there is no denying the playing group as a whole does better with Macca in the side. That's why he still playing with us and it's the bottom line.
Well at some point they’re gonna have to get used to playing without him. The particular position he plays is the one that needs a drastic change the most in our whole team.
 
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