List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[sr36]

It won't be popular to say but the money Mayne, Wells and Greenwood were on hamstrung us. It's pretty apparent. It's why Hine isn't list manager anymore. It's a huge loss for us because our side with Lynch would be awesome. We probably wouldn't have Beams though, but Lynch would make us more well rounded. That review came a wee bit late for us for Lynch. The damage was done.

Lynch isn't anywhere near as good as th hype. If we had have signed him for 6 years on big money like the tigers did, within a couple of years you'd be saying the same thing about his contract having hamstrung us.

 

[nahnah]

Not sure this was wise?

Very wise, we basically upgraded our future 5th pick to a future 4th pick for free

 

[MagpieBat]

******* Essendon get Tom Jok

Why can't our VFL boys get picked up by clubs who I support?

EFA.

 

[MagpieBat]

Anyone know where I can buy a gun, a rocking chair and a porch. I think I've reached that age where I've got no idea what anybody is talking about.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Not sure this was wise?

Thanks for that.

If we weren’t going to use the pick and Atu was still available later for free, then I guess it was a no brainer

 

[TW Sherrin]

Yeah laughing at mental illness. Well done champ.

Hating the coach and being homesick is classed as a mental illness? Thats a broad definition.

 

[ClaytonM]

Hating the coach and being homesick is classed as a mental illness? Thats a broad definition.

Read the Callum Twomey article of 1 November. More than homesickness,

 

[76woodenspooners]

Yeah, I did hear that, but I think that might have a lot to do with the fact that the Irish players are simply signed "under Cat. B conditions", that is, they can be recruited outside of the draft.

+ 2 years instead of 1.

 

[Quicky]

Lynch isn't anywhere near as good as th hype. If we had have signed him for 6 years on big money like the tigers did, within a couple of years you'd be saying the same thing about his contract having hamstrung us.

I don't want to get into a big thing about Lynch because it's been debated to death but I reckon you underate what he could have brought to the team. We have a difference of opinion on that so lets leave it at that.

Irrespective of Lynch as our target those deals on Mayne and Wells really hurt our cap and our ability to manouevre. It's bad business and I look forward to what Guy can do without those constraints on him.

 

[HFF]

Where does this leave our list and number of positions heading into the new pre season supplemental selection starting in December until March where the likes of Zac Clarke and Mummy are joining Essendon and GWS respectively?

Do we have any list spots available?

What's happened with JT and Mihocek?
Still on rookie lists?

 

[Nuwanda]

Keane + Tohill are unknown quantities. They could be gone in 12 months for all we know. Madgen in a similar boat, although he at least has been tested at senior level.
Roughead is 28, and we don’t know if we can get him back to his best. Dunn and Goldsack on the wrong side of 30. Scharenberg with 3 ACL’s. As much as I rate him his future doesn’t seem all that bright. Kelly will take a year or two to develop at a minimum. Murphy still developing. Moore is injury prone. I’ll leave out the smalls given Marsh is 194cm.

Our key defensive stocks, short and long term really aren’t all that crash hot if you look at it objectively. Marsh is a player who can come in and immediately play a role to a good standard at senior level, is a leader onfield, and is young enough to regard as a long term player replacement for the likes of Dunn and Goldsack. I think there’s plenty of justification in taking him, especially if it’s only on a rookie contract.

I'd see Marsh as a handy addition, particularly given the injuries Scharenberg has had. However, there is as much risk with Marsh as with some of those players you have listed. You wont know for a season or two whether he could cope back in the AFL and back in Melbourne. The Pies would have been in the box seat to give him another go, so to not take him suggests they don't believe he is mentally up for a move back to the club.

 

[loki04]

hi everyone , just wondering if anyone knows if in the next 2 or 3 years have we got any potential father and sons or academy prospects?

N.Daicos 2021 draft as FS, is the main one that comes mind.

 

[loki04]

Very wise, we basically upgraded our future 5th pick to a future 4th pick for free

eh?

We gave up a 4th rounder and a future 5th for a future 4th rounder...whats free about that deal?


Hawks are the ones who got the freebie being the 5th rounder we threw in to swap 4th rounders.

 

[partypie]

If the club felt that way, it would have been very easy for them to recruit Marsh instead of Roughhead.

Or Marsh instead of whichever Irish lad is Cat A

Marsh wasn't on the radar at all I don't think during the trade period - he only popped up saying he was keen to get another opportunity a couple of weeks after trade period ended.

I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him come across if/when Murray gets banned.

 

[cakewalk06]

eh?

We gave up a 4th rounder and a future 5th for a future 4th rounder...whats free about that deal?


Hawks are the ones who got the freebie being the 5th rounder we threw in to swap 4th rounders.

The upgrade in points from our fifth to Hawks' fourth next year is what we gained. We obviously had one more player left to pick, Atu, and if we just drafted him at 63 we would not have those extra points next year. So we 'sold' that 63 to Hawks for a handful of points next year and drafted Atu with a pick worth no points. Small beans but you never know what it could mean next year.

 

[ash84]

Happy with what we got.
Would of be exciting to pick up someone we hadn’t talked about for the past 6 months.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Read the Callum Twomey article of 1 November. More than homesickness,

Dont need to read it. Was told the story by a player close to him at pies.

 

[ash84]

Is everyone stoked we got Quaynor at 13 for a few late picks?
What pick would we of had if we hadn’t of matched the bid??

 

[Quicky]

Where does this leave our list and number of positions heading into the new pre season supplemental selection starting in December until March where the likes of Zac Clarke and Mummy are joining Essendon and GWS respectively?

Do we have any list spots available?

What's happened with JT and Mihocek?
Still on rookie lists?

We are full up now. Thomas is a cert to be senior listed as he is at the end of his 3 years on the rookie. We can also senior list another one or two rookies if we choose to with Mihocek the most likely candidate. That hasn't been announced yet.

So the list scenarios are that we can have a 38/6 list with Thomas upgraded; a 39/5 list with Thomas and Mihocek the likely upgrade; or a 40/4 list with Thomas, Mihocek and Appleby the likely three. I reckon the first two scenarios are most likely.

We can also add another Cat B rookie if we choose, Wraith being the candidate, but that seems unlikely as we didn't lodge the paperwork yesterday.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Is everyone stoked we got Quaynor at 13 for a few late picks?
What pick would we of had if we hadn’t of matched the bid??

We'd already traded 18 for Beams so 2-3 picks in the 40's was the choice from memory.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Irrespective of Lynch as our target those deals on Mayne and Wells really hurt our cap and our ability to manouevre. It's bad business and I look forward to what Guy can do without those constraints on him.

We don’t really know the contracts, they are assumed.
Let’s even go with the two players you mentioned:
Wells and Mayne.

Let’s assume they are on what 500 pa and 400 pa respectively, assuming even spread of years paid.
Not taking them, at first glance means we save $900 k pa.
However this means two more spots need to be taken. What payments would the “other two” be on?
Are they bottom level fillers? If so isn’t that something like $300k total so we saving $600k.
But if they were medium level talent on $250k or $500k so that’s $400 k savings.
What happens we paid the new two in the $300 k range which seems about average these days.

Of course I don’t know the real numbers but for me to suggest that both Mayne and Wells have brought our salary cap in this crisis of disrepair just sounds too far fetched.

If we wanted Lynch on huge payments (beyond what we thought was fair) we could have got him I reckon. But I didn’t think we wanted to be saddled with a Buddy style contract. Was it 6 years?
Lynch is a fine player (absolutely) but he’s not Buddy or Tony Lockett or Nick Riewoldt.

Of course we may have been better advised to consider the payments of players we bring in, but I’m always reminded clubs MUST keep their caps within certain %’s in the range of (is it) 93% to 105% with rules around that.

If we were absolute on getting a key big forward we would have been better to think how to gain Lukosius and Max King that type.

To sum up, Mayne and Wells may not have been helpful but I think it wasn’t the real reason we didn’t gain Lynch it was the full length and cost that we were not prepared to offer.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We don’t really know the contracts, they are assumed.
Let’s even go with the two players you mentioned:
Wells and Mayne.

Let’s assume they are on what 500 pa and 400 pa respectively, assuming even spread of years paid.
Not taking them, at first glance means we save $900 k pa.
However this means two more spots need to be taken. What payments would the “other two” be on?
Are they bottom level fillers? If so isn’t that something like $300k total so we saving $600k.
But if they were medium level talent on $250k or $500k so that’s $400 k savings.
What happens we paid the new two in the $300 k range which seems about average these days.

Of course I don’t know the real numbers but for me to suggest that both Mayne and Wells have brought our salary cap in this crisis of disrepair just sounds too far fetched.

If we wanted Lynch on huge payments (beyond what we thought was fair) we could have got him I reckon. But I didn’t think we wanted to be saddled with a Buddy style contract. Was it 6 years?
Lynch is a fine player (absolutely) but he’s not Buddy or Tony Lockett or Nick Riewoldt.

Of course we may have been better advised to consider the payments of players we bring in, but I’m always reminded clubs MUST keep their caps within certain %’s in the range of (is it) 93% to 105% with rules around that.

If we were absolute on getting a key big forward we would have been better to think how to gain Lukosius and Max King that type.

To sum up, Mayne and Wells may not have been helpful but I think it wasn’t the real reason we didn’t gain Lynch it was the full length and cost that we were not prepared to offer.

Correct.

We missed a premiership by millimetres despite this alleged trading mistake. We have a number of players nearing retirement in 2019 (including Wells) so that the salary cap disaster from Wells and Mayne simply hasnt and won't come to fruition. We managed to keep all the players we wanted to keep and also managed to land Beams.

As for Lynch and May, its debatable that money was the reason they didnt choose us. Maybe we didnt choose them as we didnt think they were worth what they were asking either in dollar or length of contract terms. Whatever, we go back to the well and develop from within and recruit in 2019 if we need to.

 

[Apex36]

It won't be popular to say but the money Mayne, Wells and Greenwood were on hamstrung us. It's pretty apparent. It's why Hine isn't list manager anymore. It's a huge loss for us because our side with Lynch would be awesome. We probably wouldn't have Beams though, but Lynch would make us more well rounded. That review came a wee bit late for us for Lynch. The damage was done.

Pretty sure Greenwood was out of contract and therefore not a factor.

 

[Apex36]

Hating the coach and being homesick is classed as a mental illness? Thats a broad definition.

It’s been well documented that he had depression. He confirmed it himself in an article a few weeks ago.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Correct.

We missed a premiership by millimetres despite this alleged trading mistake. We have a number of players nearing retirement in 2019 (including Wells) so that the salary cap disaster from Wells and Mayne simply hasnt and won't come to fruition. We managed to keep all the players we wanted to keep and also managed to land Beams.

As for Lynch and May, its debatable that money was the reason they didnt choose us. Maybe we didnt choose them as we didnt think they were worth what they were asking either in dollar or length of contract terms. Whatever, we go back to the well and develop from within and recruit in 2019 if we need to.

Yep.

My own take is what Lynch was offered by Richmond (particularly the length of contract) was not appetising enough for us. And I always remind myself (if I feel upset we missed Lynch) is that Lynch is very very good but he’s not Franklin, Riewoldt, Lockett level.
And we have De Goey as a nice weapon too.