List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[Knightmare]

What’s your take on the mature age player josh Corbett KM? Got an invite to the combine I see. Would you still take Podhajski over him as an overager.

Corbett can play, he's something like another Mitch McGovern and is appropriate to select mid-late draft.

I would take Podhajski ahead of him as someone who adds value in two positions and for his age at a higher level.

I'm not concerned how tall or small Collingwood's front half is. If I'd go with a key forward, I want someone of high quality. I'm fine until that prospect can be found to use the likes of De Goey, Podhajski etc and have them play tall as forwards and rotate through the midfield to expand the rotation. I don't see that nontraditional forward structure taking away from winning necessarily. The game has evolved to a point where larger midfield rotation and players who cover more ground and get up higher are more valuable than your low level key forwards.

 

[Knightmare]

Really like these selections KM. Good mix of players I feel. Addresses our key backs and adds some run from defence.

As well as a taller midfield types that Hine likes to pick. Podhajski has got me very interested this year. Has dominated TAC in his top age as well as playing some really good footy in the VFL. Could definitely be a Hine type imo.

Podhajski while a different position and different player, as that overager has some vibes of Tom Langdon. An improver this year going from an undersized, unimpactful key defender in 2017, he's now one of the premier ball winning mids in the TAC Cup and he'll go forward and kick you a couple of goals each game. He's performing and has also had a stretch of games in the VFL and held his own which will appeal to our recruiters as something they have long valued. He can play season one.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Corbett can play, he's something like another Mitch McGovern and is appropriate to select mid-late draft.

I would take Podhajski ahead of him as someone who adds value in two positions and for his age at a higher level.

I'm not concerned how tall or small Collingwood's front half is. If I'd go with a key forward, I want someone of high quality. I'm fine until that prospect can be found to use the likes of De Goey, Podhajski etc and have them play tall as forwards and rotate through the midfield to expand the rotation. I don't see that nontraditional forward structure taking away from winning necessarily. The game has evolved to a point where larger midfield rotation and players who cover more ground and get up higher are more valuable than your low level key forwards.

I really like the philosophy of only taking key position forwards (key positions all of them) as high quality.
Not much point selecting a battling type that’s going to be more hit than miss over a superior talent piece that’s medium sized.

Love your thinking.

 

[Matt_352]

Praying that no bid comes in for Quaynor or Kelly before our first pick.

1st Round: Best Available
Quaynor
Kelly

What a draft

 

[Apex36]

Praying that no bid comes in for Quaynor or Kelly before our first pick.

1st Round: Best Available
Quaynor
Kelly

What a draft

Rookie: Butts

 

[Matt_352]

Rookie: Butts

Would fit in with the names such as Sidebottom Goldsack dick ball lol

 

[Knightmare]

I really like the philosophy of only taking key position forwards (key positions all of them) as high quality.
Not much point selecting a battling type that’s going to be more hit than miss over a superior talent piece that’s medium sized.

Love your thinking.

The game is becoming almost positionless, where it doesn't matter as much as traditionally it has with all the numbers getting to where the ball either is, or is going.

You've got Richmond winning with only one key forward, and Jack Riewoldt isn't a big guy at 193cm, 92kg as that number one option. Balance and unpredictability seems to win out more-so today, with players needing to get up the ground more. That's why I'm in love with Jack Lukosius at 1 this year, he covers the ground like Nick Riewoldt and is someone you basically can't run with. You chase him up the ground, and he'll burn you on the way back and get a mark i50, you hang back and he'll take his marks up the ground and break the game open with his kicking. It's something we've never seen before and if he gets into a good situation, I'm not sure there is anyone in the competition more valuable.

I'm not a fan of wasting list positions on key position players who won't be clear best 22 players. Particularly with KPPs. If they're not likely to be stars or best 15 on list quality players at worst, I'd pass and get an undervalued veteran KPP (think Lynden Dunn) or a mature age KPP who can play now as the right option who can slot straight into the clubs best 22 presents - rather than having to endure those years of development only to in 4/5 years time have developed a fringe/depth type.

 

[Knightmare]

Rookie: Butts

I'd be for taking Butts as a rookie. Can play key back or key forward. Has the endurance and takes a lot of marks and gets involved. He's not someone who sticks out at you and feels like he is taking games over with influence, but he is one who reliably contributes.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The game is becoming almost positionless, where it doesn't matter as much as traditionally it has with all the numbers getting to where the ball either is, or is going.

You've got Richmond winning with only one key forward, and Jack Riewoldt isn't a big guy at 193cm, 92kg as that number one option. Balance and unpredictability seems to win out more-so today, with players needing to get up the ground more. That's why I'm in love with Jack Lukosius at 1 this year, he covers the ground like Nick Riewoldt and is someone you basically can't run with. You chase him up the ground, and he'll burn you on the way back and get a mark i50, you hang back and he'll take his marks up the ground and break the game open with his kicking. It's something we've never seen before and if he gets into a good situation, I'm not sure there is anyone in the competition more valuable.

I'm not a fan of wasting list positions on key position players who won't be clear best 22 players. Particularly with KPPs. If they're not likely to be stars or best 15 on list quality players at worst, I'd pass and get an undervalued veteran KPP (think Lynden Dunn) or a mature age KPP who can play now as the right option who can slot straight into the clubs best 22 presents - rather than having to endure those years of development only to in 4/5 years time have developed a fringe/depth type.

Spot on.

Bring in best 22 or best 15 or best 10!

I’d sell a lot to get Lukosius but can’t see it happen.
Oh well let’s just get best we can.

Always seek best 22 that’s my philosophy.

And if need be look to talent underrated like Dunn.

 

[TradeDraft]

I thought Riley Grundy was Underager but I guess I was Wrong.

As a KPD is the Exact Type we Need so Chance we could Draft Him

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-27/matureage-pair-invited-to-draft-combine

 

[Knightmare]

I thought Riley Grundy was Underager but I guess I was Wrong.

As a KPD is the Exact Type we Need so Chance we could Draft Him

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-27/matureage-pair-invited-to-draft-combine

He's draft eligible this year.

Athletic and strong but not an intercepter or rebounder, so he's not on my draft board.

A draft chance though, but not someone I'd be picking. You need those rebounding and intercepting elements to your game to be good enough these days down back.

 

[TradeDraft]

He's draft eligible this year.

Athletic and strong but not an intercepter or rebounder, so he's not on my draft board.

A draft chance though, but not someone I'd be picking. You need those rebounding and intercepting elements to your game to be good enough these days down back.

Though his Brother Being Brody would keep Clubs Keen on what he could Become. Maybe not a High Draft Pick but someone in the 3rd Round and After that be a Chance

 

[Bored_Pie]

First round will be Quaynor and match bid on Kelly.

 

[Rorzza]

Link for those interested: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-big-footy-phantom-draft-trial-run.1199087/

For those wanting some info on those I selected (note - there was no priority for this exercise on academy and father-son picks, all in the draft as free for all picks hence Quaynor was not available to me at 51/52):

16 - Collingwood - Connor McFadyen (QLD - Brisbane Academy)
Best position: Inside midfield/general forward
Height, weight: 190cm, 88kg
Similar to: Nat Fyfe
Strengths:
Contested ball winning
Distribution by hand
Stoppage work
Marking threat forward of centre
Contested marking
Reading of the ball in flight
Protects the drop of the ball
One-on-one strength
Scoreboard impact
Clean at ground level
Just as effective forward as he is through the midfield
Weaknesses:
Pace
Agility

More than happy to snag the Allies best mid and most dangerous forward. Tall ball winning midfielders who are hard to stop forward of centre add tremendous value and McFadyen is the best in the draft at it.

Also considered Xavier O'Halloran and Sydney Stack if I wanted more speed, but ultimately I went with the clear best available.

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51. Collingwood - Will Kelly (F/S)
A Collingwood father-son choice. Collingwood need a key defender, and Kelly is developing nicely coming along over the course of the U18 Champs and looking like Oakleigh's best v Calder in his first game back. Has the closing speed to keep with guys on the lead. Competes well 1v1 and doesn't concede easy marks. Very athletic, provides run from defence and reads the drop of the ball effectively. An overall developable player which is what you look for in a KPP.

52. Collingwood - Mitch Podhajski
Maybe I like tall mids who can go forward? But I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth when I can get a high quality 190cm mid. Overager who has kicked 14 goals from 8 games. One of the most powerful inside ball winners and also one of the most dangerous when he pushes forward. Has the proven VFL performances behind him. A big time improver who is AFL-ready.

*Tom Sparrow was a strong consideration here but I let him slide mostly to see where he would go.

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70 - Collingwood - Kyle Reid
Collingwood need lots of key defenders so why not take an u18 All-Australian key defender? Athletic, competes well 1v1 and can negate an opponents influence. What's most impressive is his intercept marking - both with the way he reads the flight and can peel off, but also 1v1 he gets good body position in contests and can take marks. 9 marks (5 contested) last round v GSV Rebels is just a glimpse into what Reid can do at his best. A potential successor to Ben Reid and a potential compliment for Will Kelly in the long term.

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88 - Collingwood - Martin Frederick
If I want a guy who can provide run and dash from defence there is no better in this draft class than Martin Frederick. Absolutely lit it up for SA with that sheer acceleration with which he takes on the game. He's a linebreaker with elite speed, agility and evasiveness using it in game as well as any outside of perhaps Rankine. I'm also a fan of his kicking with some of his low bullet kicks a highlight.

Overall Frederick isn't a pressing need but he was the standout value choice.

My other consideration was Atu Bosenavulagi, but given he's still here and Collingwood have priority to him as an academy prospect, if this was to extend to a rookie draft, I'd take him there as that ideal long term pressure forward who wins the ground balls as well as any small forward in this draft class.


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An overall handy haul. McFadyen and Podhajski in a similar way to De Goey give you a lot of options as those genuine ball winning mids who can provide key targets up front and can be used to allow for larger midfield rotation and reduce that need for extra key forwards to be acquired if the right options can't be had. On value I like both with McFadyen inside my top 10 and Podhajski inside my top 30 power rankings for perspective.

Kelly and Reid as key defenders add to the KPP stocks and both have the scope to develop. Neither are season one AFL ready and you wouldn't expect other than Jack Lukosius for any of the KPPs to be ready to play regular footy in season one anyway. But they both have scope to develop and should go a fair bit earlier on draft day than where I took them respectively which added to the appeal. Suitable needs selections without being those absolute top guys on my draft board at those selections, with those others considered in roughly that same conversation making me lean towards getting those KPPs who can fill the clubs most pressing long term needs.

Frederick is a luxury selection but that only remaining player inside my top 40.

Yes, prying Conner from Brisbane's academy would be a major coup!

 

[TradeDraft]

Yes, prying Conner from Brisbane's academy would be a major coup!

Doubt Lions would let him go to another Club

 

[SpongePie]

Link for those interested: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-big-footy-phantom-draft-trial-run.1199087/

For those wanting some info on those I selected (note - there was no priority for this exercise on academy and father-son picks, all in the draft as free for all picks hence Quaynor was not available to me at 51/52):

16 - Collingwood - Connor McFadyen (QLD - Brisbane Academy)
Best position: Inside midfield/general forward
Height, weight: 190cm, 88kg
Similar to: Nat Fyfe
Strengths:
Contested ball winning
Distribution by hand
Stoppage work
Marking threat forward of centre
Contested marking
Reading of the ball in flight
Protects the drop of the ball
One-on-one strength
Scoreboard impact
Clean at ground level
Just as effective forward as he is through the midfield
Weaknesses:
Pace
Agility

More than happy to snag the Allies best mid and most dangerous forward. Tall ball winning midfielders who are hard to stop forward of centre add tremendous value and McFadyen is the best in the draft at it.

Also considered Xavier O'Halloran and Sydney Stack if I wanted more speed, but ultimately I went with the clear best available.

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51. Collingwood - Will Kelly (F/S)
A Collingwood father-son choice. Collingwood need a key defender, and Kelly is developing nicely coming along over the course of the U18 Champs and looking like Oakleigh's best v Calder in his first game back. Has the closing speed to keep with guys on the lead. Competes well 1v1 and doesn't concede easy marks. Very athletic, provides run from defence and reads the drop of the ball effectively. An overall developable player which is what you look for in a KPP.

52. Collingwood - Mitch Podhajski
Maybe I like tall mids who can go forward? But I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth when I can get a high quality 190cm mid. Overager who has kicked 14 goals from 8 games. One of the most powerful inside ball winners and also one of the most dangerous when he pushes forward. Has the proven VFL performances behind him. A big time improver who is AFL-ready.

*Tom Sparrow was a strong consideration here but I let him slide mostly to see where he would go.

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70 - Collingwood - Kyle Reid
Collingwood need lots of key defenders so why not take an u18 All-Australian key defender? Athletic, competes well 1v1 and can negate an opponents influence. What's most impressive is his intercept marking - both with the way he reads the flight and can peel off, but also 1v1 he gets good body position in contests and can take marks. 9 marks (5 contested) last round v GSV Rebels is just a glimpse into what Reid can do at his best. A potential successor to Ben Reid and a potential compliment for Will Kelly in the long term.

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88 - Collingwood - Martin Frederick
If I want a guy who can provide run and dash from defence there is no better in this draft class than Martin Frederick. Absolutely lit it up for SA with that sheer acceleration with which he takes on the game. He's a linebreaker with elite speed, agility and evasiveness using it in game as well as any outside of perhaps Rankine. I'm also a fan of his kicking with some of his low bullet kicks a highlight.

Overall Frederick isn't a pressing need but he was the standout value choice.

My other consideration was Atu Bosenavulagi, but given he's still here and Collingwood have priority to him as an academy prospect, if this was to extend to a rookie draft, I'd take him there as that ideal long term pressure forward who wins the ground balls as well as any small forward in this draft class.


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An overall handy haul. McFadyen and Podhajski in a similar way to De Goey give you a lot of options as those genuine ball winning mids who can provide key targets up front and can be used to allow for larger midfield rotation and reduce that need for extra key forwards to be acquired if the right options can't be had. On value I like both with McFadyen inside my top 10 and Podhajski inside my top 30 power rankings for perspective.

Kelly and Reid as key defenders add to the KPP stocks and both have the scope to develop. Neither are season one AFL ready and you wouldn't expect other than Jack Lukosius for any of the KPPs to be ready to play regular footy in season one anyway. But they both have scope to develop and should go a fair bit earlier on draft day than where I took them respectively which added to the appeal. Suitable needs selections without being those absolute top guys on my draft board at those selections, with those others considered in roughly that same conversation making me lean towards getting those KPPs who can fill the clubs most pressing long term needs.

Frederick is a luxury selection but that only remaining player inside my top 40.

Love your work KM. Thank you.

 

[Quicky]

Have we got too narrow a view of our draft pool?

Watching Tom Stewart and Ryan Abbott running around for Geelong has got me wondering. These are two mature agers straight from the GDFL. One is near on AA prior to injury the other just debuted and did not look out of place in the ruck.

There are some pretty decent district leagues out there attracting talent that doesn't get into state leagues like the VFL because there is often more money there. I wonder if there are gems hidden away in strong district leagues like the EDFL. Identify them and it could be a competitive advantage.

Is it worth casting our eye more broadly?

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Who's that Sudanese bloke we've got running around in the 2s? Is he linked to someones academy? I'd role the dice on him if available.

 

[CFC2010]

Who's that Sudanese bloke we've got running around in the 2s? Is he linked to someones academy? I'd role the dice on him if available.

Tom Jok…….needs to be drafted

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Tom Jok…….needs to be drafted

So he isn't part of anyones academy? I thought all clubs had certain areas they could catB rookie multicultural players from.

 

[CFC2010]

So he isn't part of anyones academy? I thought all clubs had certain areas they could catB rookie multicultural players from.

No he isn't

Position: Wing
Height: 193cm
Weight: 80kg
D.O.B: 01/01/97
Recruited From: Dandenong U18/St Kevin's

The story so far: Jok is a strong athlete who spent time in the TAC Cup with the Dandenong Stingrays before becoming a St Kevin's Premiership player in 2017. Spent the pre-season recovering from injury.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

No he isn't

Position: Wing
Height: 193cm
Weight: 80kg
D.O.B: 01/01/97
Recruited From: Dandenong U18/St Kevin's

The story so far: Jok is a strong athlete who spent time in the TAC Cup with the Dandenong Stingrays before becoming a St Kevin's Premiership player in 2017. Spent the pre-season recovering from injury.

I guess he missed the cutoff age to be eligible for an academy, any thoughts of his draft range people? I'm thinking he'll go somewhere in the national, massive upside.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Just on Joks DOB, 1-1-97, perfect date to be born for junior sports.

 

[HFF]

I really want us to go to the draft this year if possible.
Hold on FA and trades as we will have Wells' contract and Mayne's contract open up in the next 12-24 months too to then really go hard for someone.

Ideally I'd love to be able to trade in another second rounder if possible or upgrade somewhere.

 

[TradeDraft]

Tom Jok…….needs to be drafted

I would not Draft Him. Still Super Raw and In Ball in Hand is Poor