List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[Saintly Viewed]

Pretty much and that is same with all Draft Experts in Media.

There seems to be two kinds of draft experts.

One is the experts that are media driven, ie given a brief to represent whoever in the media.

The other group is the experts who go and watch lots of kids play and know them and their play.

(Yes the two groups can intertwine)

 

[Obese Arachnid]

There seems to be two kinds of draft experts.

One is the experts that are media driven, ie given a brief to represent whoever in the media.

The other group is the experts who go and watch lots of kids play and know them and their play.

(Yes the two groups can intertwine)

So there's 3 groups?

 

[Apex36]

How do you know he is Guessing? All in the Media are pretty much Guessing going off what they been Hearing from Clubs and Agents

Because that’s what a phantom draft is? Everyone is guessing before the draft happens, no matter how ‘connected’ they may be. As I said, take a look at his phantom from last year. A few hits, and many many misses. Some of them pretty bad ones.

 

[Scottabe_pendles]

So there's 3 groups?

Venn Diagram needed

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[Stoods]

Ned Guy is saying there is another player in the draft but he wasnt willing to give anything away that we are keen on. Must be a late pick as early picks will go to Quaynor and Kelly. IIRC this player is a KP player.

 

[Mukesh]

So there's 3 groups?

You're on fire today mate....

 

[HFF]

lol at the HS story about Adelaide spoiling our party by potentially bidding on both IQ and Kelly.
Like it's a major issue going into "deficit" for 2019.

 

[unplugged]

The draft is seriously diluted with the two day thing. A lot of people won't care for the top ten unless their club is involved. Then come Thursday night the media vultures will already know who's going 11, 12, 13, etc.

 

[legendstatus]

Would we pick up IQ if a bid comes before pick 10?


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[HFF]

Would we pick up IQ if a bid comes before pick 10?


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Probably.
However, do you expect clubs to bid purely to "force our hand"?

Imagine how'd stupid they would look if we didn't match, committing to a player they potentially don't even rate that high outside of a dummy bid.

Which is why no club places a bid purely "for the sake of it".

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Ned Guy is saying there is another player in the draft but he wasnt willing to give anything away that we are keen on. Must be a late pick as early picks will go to Quaynor and Kelly. IIRC this player is a KP player.

Noah Gown.

 

[barrackers]

Father son and zone nominations - we've nominated Kelly, Quaynor, Bosenavulagi and Wraith. If not selected in the ND one of the latter two may become our third category b rookie.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-20/afl-reveals-list-of-fathersons-and-academy-draft-nominees

Collingwood - Will Kelly - Oakleigh Chargers - Craig Kelly, 122 games

Collingwood - Atunaisa Bosenavulagi - Mazenod OC - VAFA
Collingwood - Isaac Quaynor - Oakleigh Chargers - VFL & TAC Cup
Collingwood - Bailey Wraith - Oakleigh Chargers - VFL & TAC Cup

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...s/news-story/024ecb1d2aa47e2e9d2acf386ff8cb5f

All players must be selected at the National Draft either by being matched, passing on matching (reverting to bidding club) or as the nominating club’s last selection in the National Draft

All players may be matched in the National Draft or if not selected may be pre-selected as a rookie by their nominating club

http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/AFL-Rules-June-2017.PDF

Spoiler: Cat B rookie provision

10.1 Rookie List – Establishment and Number

(b) In addition to maintaining the maximum number of allowable Category A Rookie Players on their Rookie List under Rule 10.1, each Club may include a maximum of three (3) extra Players on its Rookie List provided those Players are:

(vi) a Qualified NGA Player of the Club who has been nominated in accordance with Rule 15.8(c) and 10.5.

15.8(c)Rookie Pre-selection If a Qualified NGA Player is eligible to be selected in the National Draft Selection Meeting and is not selected, the relevant Club may include the Player on its Rookie List prior to the Rookie Draft Selection Meeting by lodging Form 34A by the date required by the AFL.

 

[Dynamics]

Not sure if it's been discussed elsewhere, but what's the story with Bailey Wraith? A 191cm ruckman isn't going to get it done AFL level. I see him listed as a utility. So where would he play? Defence? Forward?

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Not sure if it's been discussed elsewhere, but what's the story with Bailey Wraith? A 191cm ruckman isn't going to get it done AFL level. I see him listed as a utility. So where would he play? Defence? Forward?

Probably both if he's a utility I'd guess.

 

[Scodog10]

He has Adelaide bidding on everyone!

I just had a look and that’s bizarre! Although their list management strategy has me scratching my head anyway because I’d be trading up to pick 3 to get Rankine. There’s no way I’d be doing a “Jason Cripps” and targeting him two years from now. Double dipping never ends well!

Fair enough Dave. I'd personally be happy to throw in pick 60 to move up from pick 13 to pick 10.

I believe TD is struggling with the concept of the value we’re getting with IQ and Kelly.

For reference TD the only bid the club would consider not matching on IQ is one that comes in before he’s rated on our list and I’m tipping that’s inside the top 10.

IMO, there’s absolutely no point in passing on IQ even if he’s bid on in the top 5 because the quality of our live picks just isn’t there. Look at it as a trade would you trade a top 5-10 pick for a bunch of picks 40+? I know I would. Every day of the week!

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I just had a look and that’s bizarre! Although their list management strategy has me scratching my head anyway because I’d be trading up to pick 3 to get Rankine. There’s no way I’d be doing a “Jason Cripps” and targeting him two years from now. Double dipping never ends well!



I believe TD is struggling with the concept of the value we’re getting with IQ and Kelly.

For reference TD the only bid the club would consider not matching on IQ is one that comes in before he’s rated on our list and I’m tipping that’s inside the top 10.

IMO, there’s absolutely no point in passing on IQ even if he’s bid on in the top 5 because the quality of our live picks just isn’t there. Look at it as a trade would you trade a top 5-10 pick for a bunch of picks 40+? I know I would. Every day of the week!

Holy hell, I actually agree 100%.

 

[CFC2010]

Holy hell, I actually agree 100.

 

[Scodog10]

Fabulous. For some perspective, here’s Twomey’s phantom from last year.
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-22/callum-twomeys-2017-phantom-draft
My favourites are his guesses for Stephenson and Murphy. Dude has no clue.

Thanks Apex! That provides a ripping insight into which clubs talk to Twomey and which ones don’t. Brisbane and St Kilda stand out to me, he’s way too Vic centric and overall he had NFI last year about what clubs were planning...

 

[Rohan25]

The draft is seriously diluted with the two day thing. A lot of people won't care for the top ten unless their club is involved. Then come Thursday night the media vultures will already know who's going 11, 12, 13, etc.

I checked the draft guide and it has round 2 onwards starting at 12pm Friday. Thanks a lot AFL. Now most people get to miss 80% of the draft due to work.

 

[swoop42]

The draft is seriously diluted with the two day thing. A lot of people won't care for the top ten unless their club is involved. Then come Thursday night the media vultures will already know who's going 11, 12, 13, etc.

The top 10 being selected was already a painfully slow process but tomorrow night it's going to be excruciating.

Having a draft over 2 days just seems completely unnecessary and has been driven by people like Craig Hutchinson I'm sure.

 

[partypie]

So now the wait to see where we get Quaynor has turned into a wait to see how badly Adelaide screws us over?

The next 24-36 hours should be fun (and salty)...

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I checked the draft guide and it has round 2 onwards starting at 12pm Friday. Thanks a lot AFL. Now most people get to miss 80% of the draft due to work.

If a lot of people are unproductive at work due to listening to crap like AFL Trade Radio for AEG Power Tools, the mark of a tradesman, they'll watch the draft too.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The top 10 being selected was already a painfully slow process but tomorrow night it's going to be excruciating.

Having a draft over 2 days just seems completely unnecessary and has been driven by people like Craig Hutchinson I'm sure.

The AfL wanting so badly want to
Make it like America.
Different audience, smaller draft numbers of picks.

And their real first agenda occupy the news cycle all if first day Thursday into Friday the top round; then the rest to take the weekend news cycle.

 

[Mkcaptain]

Will SEN be covering Day 2 of the draft? Might have to take a radio into the office.

 

[swoop42]

Zero chance we pass on Quaynor and Kelly unless the points deficit is so great that under the AFL rules we can't take both and that would appear a unlikely scenario.

And why would we when we have no 1st round selection in 2019 and bypassing Kelly who is expected to attract an early to mid 2nd round bid in preference to retaining our 2019 2nd round selection means we have to wait a further 12 months to get a quality prospect into our system.

Nup.

I fully expect Quaynor and Kelly to be Collingwood players come Friday afternoon.