List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[regpies]

Maybe SOS is like these Carlton fans and doesn’t actually understand the trade he made.

WTF are these two going on about? They got a top 20 pick for nothing apparently.....

 

[Seedsfan]

Just went on the draft point calculator and we need Kelly to fall to pick 26 to have the points for him

 

[sr36]

Maybe SOS is like these Carlton fans and doesn’t actually understand the trade he made.

WTF are these two going on about? They got a top 20 pick for nothing apparently.....



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Bizarre thinking from those supoorters, but I don't mind the SOS move, good luck on backing themselves in. They obviously rate Stocker really highly and also are backing themselves to improve next year. If they think Stocker is the equivalent of a too 5 selection in next year's draft and think they will move a few spots up the ladder this year, then good on them.

 

[ottoman]

Bizarre thinking from those supoorters, but I don't mind the SOS move, good luck on backing themselves in. They obviously rate Stocker really highly and also are backing themselves to improve next year. If they think Stocker is the equivalent of a too 5 selection in next year's draft and think they will move a few spots up the ladder this year, then good on them.

Yep.
If Carlton perform a bit better than expected and Adelaide don't really improve much on this year then Carlton have pretty much landed themselves a first round pick for potentially very little cost.
It's no way as silly as some people are making it out to be.

If Carlton finish last and Adelaide finish top 4 then the cost will be big, but on the other hand if Carlton finish above Adelaide then they have got themselves a first round pick this year and improved there first rounder for next.

Time will tell but as much as I despise Carlton I just don't think this trade was as stupid as many are making it out to be.

 

[magpiewarrior]

How many points does pick13 require and are we still good for k

Just went on the draft point calculator and we need Kelly to fall to pick 26 to have the points for him[/QUOTE
Maybe, he knows that he wont still be there for next years draft, so its not his problem.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Yep.
If Carlton perform a bit better than expected and Adelaide don't really improve much on this year then Carlton have pretty much landed themselves a first round pick for potentially very little cost.
It's no way as silly as some people are making it out to be.

If Carlton finish last and Adelaide finish top 4 then the cost will be big, but on the other hand if Carlton finish above Adelaide then they have got themselves a first round pick this year and improved there first rounder for next.

Time will tell but as much as I despise Carlton I just don't think this trade was as stupid as many are making it out to be.

Except history says it will turn out to be bad for them.

Probability says it's a bad trade at this point.

 

[swoop42]

Most likely Carlton are already planning on targeting some high value players in the trade period next season and would have been offering up their 2019 1st and potentially 2020 1st so adding Stocker now whilst still retaining Adelaide's 2019 1st round selection for trade might actually be a more clever strategy than it first appears.

 

[Pendles!]

All good and well saying Carlton rates Stocker top 5, but going by SOS’ past drafts he’s not got a great eye for talent .

 

[Scodog10]

Two observations from my perspective:

1. Hats off to the analysts. I would kill to get the info they had on this draft, but to get our points to within 5 or so of the deficit is worth noting. My guess is they needed to know exactly where every academy/ FS bid was going to come inside the top 30 and what picks the respective clubs would use to match those bids. It’s almost as impressive as the work done by Sydney which was masterful!

2. The points system is an absolute joke. We’re going to land 2 top 25 talents that we probably rated somewhere inside our top 15-20 for 5 picks between 40 and 60. That just shouldn’t happen because as the academy’s grow the first round is going to morph into a system where clubs with good academy’s have no picks in the top 30 and clubs with poor academy’s have the lions share of top 30 picks. It’s not necessarily a bad thing it’s just not good...

 

[Boogy]

As I understand the whole points deficit system is applied next year in the same round you went into deficit. So worst case scenario our second round pick next year gets shuffled back a couple spots. No biggie!
Would be good to not go into deficit in '18 and get a late Hine rough diamond.

 

[Scodog10]

Can I clarify WTF people were complaining about with the time taken between picks? The draft isn’t a spectacle and after the first 3-5 picks clubs can sometimes need time to assess how the draft is planning out and whether they can move up the draft to bring someone in. If it’s the difference between Mitch Thorpe and Joel Selwood let the clubs have as much time as they need. We saw four clubs take advantage of it last night and there were winners all round!

It’s only the first evolution of it, but I have to stress it isn’t an “event” for the average punter. As soon as the AFL abolishes the rookie draft and restrictions on how far ahead clubs can trade future picks we’ll start seeing more action between picks. Clubs also need to become more secretive with who they’re keen on and stop telling the kids they’ll take them with x pick that’s where the issue really lies.

 

[Dynamics]

Can I clarify WTF people were complaining about with the time taken between picks? The draft isn’t a spectacle and after the first 3-5 picks clubs can sometimes need time to assess how the draft is planning out and whether they can move up the draft to bring someone in. If it’s the difference between Mitch Thorpe and Joel Selwood let the clubs have as much time as they need. We saw four clubs take advantage of it last night and there were winners all round!

It’s only the first evolution of it, but I have to stress it isn’t an “event” for the average punter. As soon as the AFL abolishes the rookie draft and restrictions on how far ahead clubs can trade future picks we’ll start seeing more action between picks. Clubs also need to become more secretive with who they’re keen on and stop telling the kids they’ll take them with x pick that’s where the issue really lies.

Couldn't agree more. Why should clubs rush such an incredibly important decision? So that Foxtel viewers don't get a bit bored and flick over to Netflix? Let them take as long as they need.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Carlton took their full five minutes to use pick 1, did they not? What’s that about?

Oh, SOS... nevermind.

 

[TradeDraft]

Just went on the draft point calculator and we need Kelly to fall to pick 26 to have the points for him

IF bid comes at 24 or 25 will not be a Big Deficit

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Yep.
If Carlton perform a bit better than expected and Adelaide don't really improve much on this year then Carlton have pretty much landed themselves a first round pick for potentially very little cost.
It's no way as silly as some people are making it out to be.

If Carlton finish last and Adelaide finish top 4 then the cost will be big, but on the other hand if Carlton finish above Adelaide then they have got themselves a first round pick this year and improved there first rounder for next.

Time will tell but as much as I despise Carlton I just don't think this trade was as stupid as many are making it out to be.

I think the flaw here is two fold.

Carlton will be relying on two things.

1) Their own improvement v Adelaide decline.
2) the player Stocker being of real high end talent

Hence this is why to me it’s really a poor (smart Alec move).

Carlton is going to finish low again in season 2019. They played woeful this year and were badly thrashed on various occasions.
Sides that have scooted up the ladder usually show promising form the season before, “honourable” losses, being really competitive etc.
Carlton was woeful.

Stocker? Pre this draft did anyone talk of him in that mega elite group?
If Carlton had pulled the coup for Lukosius, a King, Rankine, that level, then sure great coup.
But they’re getting a player in the next level top talent.
So that for the likely 1,2,3 pick?
To me weird and very dumb.

Those early picks are the greatest gold.
They better hope stocker is an elite star.

 

[CFC2010]

IF bid comes at 24 or 25 will not be a Big Deficit

Dave you're up early today!

Good work last night mate

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Most likely Carlton are already planning on targeting some high value players in the trade period next season and would have been offering up their 2019 1st and potentially 2020 1st so adding Stocker now whilst still retaining Adelaide's 2019 1st round selection for trade might actually be a more clever strategy than it first appears.

Sure, I mean they might get to the trade period next year and just hope that everyone forgets they swapped first-rounders with Adelaide. Or maybe they hide all the AFL ladders at Marvel Stadium. Carltank are playing 3-D chess and everyone else is playing draughts.

 

[MyManLynch]

Carlton took their full five minutes to use pick 1, did they not? What’s that about?

Oh, SOS... nevermind.

Yes...I was expecting Carlton to press the button within 10 seconds...but to wait until time nearly expired...just illustrates the ‘theatre’ aspect that the AFL are encouraging.
Welcome to ‘Hollywood’ draft night.
I agree that Clubs do indeed require the 5 minutes to truly deliberate...but if you’ve already decided, then push the damned button.

 

[Scodog10]

Couldn't agree more. Why should clubs rush such an incredibly important decision? So that Foxtel viewers don't get a bit bored and flick over to Netflix? Let them take as long as they need.

That’s a ripping point about attention spans! For me any Collingwood supporter watching it, that wasn’t a hardcore draft watcher, was mad because it was a pre-determined outcome. We all knew IQ was coming to Collingwood and it didn’t really matter when as long as it was after the first 6-8 picks.

A way to view these kids prior to them joining Collingwood is as houses going to auction because 95% of them will see their careers out as the enemy. All draftees are minimum $300-400k investments and the draft is essentially an auction. I know when I bought at auction an extra 10 minutes to think on a bid would have been invaluable to prevent me getting caught up in the moment despite all the plans I had before the day. I see things differently to most, but I don’t understand complaining about something I have no investment in...

That said SOS taking his time with pick 1 was bizarre and says more about him and his recruiting team than the system!

 

[The Royal Sampler]

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All draftees are minimum $300-400k investments and the draft is essentially an auction. I know when I bought at auction an extra 10 minutes to think on a bid would have been invaluable to prevent me getting caught up in the moment despite all the plans I had before the day.

It’s like attending 100 auctions in a day, and you HAVE to walk away with at least three...

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Adelaide will bid on him with 24 anyway.

I actually think Adelaide may take the SA boy Valente at 24.

 

[Apex36]

Just went on the draft point calculator and we need Kelly to fall to pick 26 to have the points for him

25. Less than 10 points won’t move us down in the draft next year.

 

[Mkcaptain]

Someone on the draft board suggesting that West Coast will bid on Briggs with 23. That would be a great result for us.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Perfect day for me is this scenario:

> Kelly not bid on before pick 25, ensuring we don't go into deficit next year.

> Atu B not being bid on until after pick 56, ensuring we can match without points

> Wraith not being bid on at all, and us listing him as a Cat B

> Tohill being the Irish that we list as a Cat A

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Someone on the draft board suggesting that West Coast will bid on Briggs with 23. That would be a great result for us.

West Coast owe us a favour anyway.