List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[barrackers]

Pretty sure I have all the pieces right. Where there's two picks listed next to each other ie (41)(40) the first is what the selection originally was, the second is what it ended up being.

Note: There was a slither of the Fasolo compensation pick used to secure Quaynor with the remainder banked to 2019 thanks to the deal with Hawthorn and we got a pick at the back of the draft to balance selections/list spots, which was used to recruit Atu Bosenavulagi. These are listed separately below where I feel they sit more accurately.

 

[jamieb1983]

Am i right in saying we can now trade our 2020 first rounder next year as we have taken 2 first rounders over the past two years?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

What does our young players look like, say about the 25 age mark. With our new draftees.
I’m guessing at ages so happy to be corrected.

Something like this perhaps:

Collingwood About U25 with new draftees:


B. M Scharenberg ~ W Kelly ~ T Langdon

HB. I Quaynor ~ D Moore ~ J Crisp

C. J Stephenson ~ A Treloar ~ T Phillips

HF. N Murphy ~ J De Goey ~ B Maynard

F. W Hoskin-Elliott ~ M Lynch ~ J Daicos

R. B Grundy ~ B Sier ~ T Adams (c)

I. F Appelby ~ C Brown ~ J Aish ~ A Bosenavulagi

E. A Tohill, M Keane, B Crocker, T Brown

 

[Snoop Dog]

Marlion Pickett is a mature-aged indigenous player from WA.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-10/wafl-watch-suns-eagles-tracking-tough-mid-pickett

GOLD Coast and West Coast are tracking ready-to-go South Fremantle midfielder Marlion Pickett ahead of a near-certain step up to AFL ranks next season.

AFL.com.au understands the Suns, keen to bolster their onball stocks, have spoken to the 26-year-old, described by one WAFL official as "hard as they come".

Pickett has shone this season after switching from playing as a rebounding half-back into midfield to cover the absence of last year's Sandover Medal runner-up Kelly.

Marlion Pickett (South Fremantle)
A breakout performance in round six against Swan Districts showed why Pickett has recruiters excited. The tough nut asked for a switch into midfield from half-back this season to make the most of his pace and skills, and soon delivered a 30-possession – 21 of them contested – nine-clearance, seven-tackle, five-inside-50 and one-goal performance.

We also met with him last week.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Jon Marsh?

Wouldn’t he be handy, but not expensive?

Spot on

 

[Soups]

We also met with him last week.

I thought GC would have picked him up for sure. One we’ll be eyeing mid season draft perhaps.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Spot on

In my mind he’d be ideal.

Seems a good guy, has a voice down back too. Versatile.

Yes had issues but we are an embracung club these days so what could be better than embracing one of our own.

All that, and at least we know he’s a capable senior footballer. We’re not guessing at that, he’s shown enough.

So Marsh for me.

 

[Apex36]

eh?

We gave up a 4th rounder and a future 5th for a future 4th rounder...whats free about that deal?


Hawks are the ones who got the freebie being the 5th rounder we threw in to swap 4th rounders.

Free in the sense that we gave away a pick that we would have used on Atu anyway for a pick upgrade next year. We lost nothing because we got Atu anyway.

 

[nahnah]

eh?

We gave up a 4th rounder and a future 5th for a future 4th rounder...whats free about that deal?


Hawks are the ones who got the freebie being the 5th rounder we threw in to swap 4th rounders.

We weren’t using our 4th rounder this year, it’s the very definition of a freebie

 

[partypie]

eh?

We gave up a 4th rounder and a future 5th for a future 4th rounder...whats free about that deal?


Hawks are the ones who got the freebie being the 5th rounder we threw in to swap 4th rounders.

Yeah - because that future fifth rounder will actually be worth anything...

It was a smart move - I'm positive that once Gown came off the board a few picks before ours in the 4th round (he was most likely the "tall" we were rumoured to be looking at) we reverted to plan B in drafting Atu in the ND and left it at that, so we traded a pick we wouldn't use for one we might use in 2019 (not forgetting that we don't have a first round pick to work with so every points-carrying pick will be handy.

 

[loki04]

The upgrade in points from our fifth to Hawks' fourth next year is what we gained. We obviously had one more player left to pick, Atu, and if we just drafted him at 63 we would not have those extra points next year. So we 'sold' that 63 to Hawks for a handful of points next year and drafted Atu with a pick worth no points. Small beans but you never know what it could mean next year.

We could of taken another player in the draft and still got Atu.

As for trading it seems we are one of the few clubs who always have to add extra to get deals done most teams would of just swapped 4th rounders, obviously Hawks were keen on someone in this draft pool so its not like they dont get anything our of a straight swap.

We don't know where the finish position for each team is yet (while I expect us to be up there you never know).

To me this just is more of us over paying to achieve a trade, Treloar, Murray, Beams and now this pick swap. Even if we are happy to do said deals for said players they are no doubt overs in terms of trade price.

 

[TradeDraft]

Did we win?

We will Find Out in about 3-5 Years

Though I read Knightmare thought on the Draft and he has us having the 2nd Worst Draft

Collingwood

In undoubtedly the dullest draft in their history, Collingwood picked up two next-generation academy prospects and one father-son, while also re-drafting Tim Broomhead and Sam Murray as rookies following their delisting earlier this year.

The Pies did manage to pick up Will Kelly (son of Craig) later than expected, while the bid on academy product Isaac Quaynor came around where it was expected. Fellow academy product Atu Bosenavulagi did not attract any bids, but is an athletic forward who tackles aggressively. With no live picks, a potentially opportunity may have been missed. The positive for Collingwood is no points deficit.

Grade: C

http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/25356894/afl-draft-2018-************-winners-losers

 

[loki04]

We weren’t using our 4th rounder this year, it’s the very definition of a freebie

We could of we chose not to but instead we traded 2 picks for 1 in the same range in a considered inferior draft pool.

Yeah - because that future fifth rounder will actually be worth anything...

It was a smart move - I'm positive that once Gown came off the board a few picks before ours in the 4th round (he was most likely the "tall" we were rumoured to be looking at) we reverted to plan B in drafting Atu in the ND and left it at that, so we traded a pick we wouldn't use for one we might use in 2019 (not forgetting that we don't have a first round pick to work with so every points-carrying pick will be handy.

I don't care we traded out a 4th for a 4th, more that we had to come and add extra on to do it, even if it is a "useless" 5th rounder. Adds to our ever growing list of overpaying in trades we are the opposite of Essendon who are notoriously hard to deal with, where as we bring our own lube.

Most teams would of did a straight swap.

 

[Jen2310]

Ned's first trade/draft period he did very well for a first timer (he came from player management, right?)

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Ned's first trade/draft period he did very well for a first timer (he came from player management, right?)

Correct. Was Steven May's former manager.

 

[jonbe54]

We will Find Out in about 3-5 Years

Though I read Knightmare thought on the Draft and he has us having the 2nd Worst Draft


http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/25356894/afl-draft-2018-************-winners-losers

Knighter is a purist and unlikely to be criticizing.

We did well with what picks we had.

 

[loki04]

Free in the sense that we gave away a pick that we would have used on Atu anyway for a pick upgrade next year. We lost nothing because we got Atu anyway.

We had another option, that is use the pick in a decent draft pool and get Atu anyway with the same pick we ended up using on him.

I just find it bemusing that we keep overpaying to get deals done even if it is a nothing pick the principal of it after the Treloar, Murray and Beams deals all being overpriced we go and add another to the list.

And yes I know Beams pick would of went to Quaynor for those of you reading... but that doesn't stop us trading that pick for something and using future 1st and steak knives on Beams or 2018 first rnd and 2019 2ND ETC..

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Knighter is a purist and unlikely to be criticizing.

We did well with what picks we had.

Who does Knightmare barrack for? Because honestly his constant criticism of Quaynor gets tiring. Real missed opportunity taking two players that other clubs objectively rate as top 30 rather than waiting to use picks in the forties.

 

[loki04]

Who does Knightmare barrack for? Because honestly his constant criticism of Quaynor gets tiring. Real missed opportunity taking two players that other clubs objectively rate as top 30 rather than waiting to use picks in the forties.

With the picks we had we did bloody well out of it, my only gripe was having to add more to what should of been a straight swap of picks.

 

[Knightmare]

Who does Knightmare barrack for? Because honestly his constant criticism of Quaynor gets tiring. Real missed opportunity taking two players that other clubs objectively rate as top 30 rather than waiting to use picks in the forties.

When it comes to talent ID. You make your own calls.

That's all I ever do.

I'm not just going to like a Collingwood father-son or academy prospect above someone else because they're associated with Collingwood.

Talent ID is about being objective and deciding who is better than who.

I'm the same with AFL talent.

I can say Brodie Grundy is the best in the AFL and the player I would start a team with. But then I'll back it up with reasons. Same goes with junior talent.

 

[loki04]

When it comes to talent ID. You make your own calls.

That's all I ever do.

I'm not just going to like a Collingwood father-son or academy prospect above someone else because they're associated with Collingwood.

Talent ID is about being objective and deciding who is better than who.

I'm the same with AFL talent.

I can say Brodie Grundy is the best in the AFL and the player I would start a team with. But then I'll back it up with reasons. Same goes with junior talent.

But surely you have to objectively use weightings for the picks available to each club.

As in sure IQ, WK and Atu pales in comparison with Lukosious, Rankine And B.King but given our 1st pick was 44ish then we did brilliantly to get a 1st and 2nd round talent.

 

[Quicky]

Who does Knightmare barrack for? Because honestly his constant criticism of Quaynor gets tiring. Real missed opportunity taking two players that other clubs objectively rate as top 30 rather than waiting to use picks in the forties.

It's pretty ordinary bringing Knights support of the club in question. He has an opinion of the players and happens not to be big on one we picked up. Big deal. People are allowed to have opinions. It would be boring if they didn't. It would be dishonest of Knight if he went along with the hype of a player for the sake of it and against his judgement. It doesn't mean he doesn't support the club.

 

[Knightmare]

But surely you have to objectively use weightings for the picks available to each club.

As in sure IQ, WK and Atu pales in comparison with Lukosious, Rankine And B.King but given our 1st pick was 44ish then we did brilliantly to get a 1st and 2nd round talent.

Absolutely, it's all relative for who is there. All based on relative value of who is there and the opportunities the club had based on the picks at their disposal.

It's like with marking Carlton down. They took in my mind the fourth best at one, trading what might be pick 2/3 next year for what may be a mid first rounder in Adelaide's pick and Stocker who is a good midfielder probably worth pick 10-15 next year. Then the rest of their selections were in my view poor with none of those guys inside my top 100.

If I forget some time this weekend, someone remind me to do Knightsight v Hinesight v Hindsight. Working on a 2019 preview piece now, but happy to do that later for some debate/discussion.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

It's pretty ordinary bringing Knights support of the club in question. He has an opinion of the players and happens not to be big on one we picked up. Big deal. People are allowed to have opinions. It would be boring if they didn't. It would be dishonest of Knight if he went along with the hype of a player for the sake of it and against his judgement. It doesn't mean he doesn't support the club.

I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have opinions, but the fact is he is down on our entire drafting period, not just Quaynor, is pretty ordinary.

Who should we have taken that was available with pick 41 or pick 44? Jack Bytel? Jack Ross? Wow, sick selections there.

Considering Knightmare rated Quaynor and Kelly around the fifties anyway I don't see what the issue is with drafting them. If the draft went entirely as he viewed the talent we would have taken Quaynor and Kelly with 41 and 44 anyway.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

We will Find Out in about 3-5 Years

Though I read Knightmare thought on the Draft and he has us having the 2nd Worst Draft


http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/25356894/afl-draft-2018-************-winners-losers

KM tends not to rate Quaynor.
Also tends to rate Hawthorn over the odds in my view.

But they are his views articulated well and deserving of respect.