2018 Draft thread

[M Malice]

Callum Twomey with Whateley today on the so called super draft and the elite talls.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08/22/twomey-highlights-the-point-of-difference-in-2018-afl-draft/

 

[jackess]

Callum Twomey with Whateley today on the so called super draft and the elite talls.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08/22/twomey-highlights-the-point-of-difference-in-2018-afl-draft/

“I think most clubs are in opposition to the view that it is a super draft.” Twomey

I think with our second pick likely to be pushed back to the late 20s and with McFadyen available we might only use 3 or 4 picks.

 

[briztoon]

Didn't Rayner say that he would prefer to stay in Melbourne, before saying that he doesn't mind travelling?

Not to the extent Rankine has.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The flight risk concerns stem directly from Rankine's media interviews in both print and on tv. And people reading interpreting his responses and body/facial language.

I would expect a 17 year old to prefer to stay near what he's always known, he may think different when he actually comes to the AFL, we'll see. As for people interpreting, I don't put a lot of stock in armchair psychology.

In his early interviews he mentioned multiple times he would prefer to stay in Adelaide and play for Adelaide. In his more recent interviews he's more circumspect with his responses, but often leaves a large pause before answering questions about the draft.

I seem to recall Rayner having a similar thought process, ended up being overblown. In any case, in Noble we trust, he can probably work out whether Rankine is worth the risk or not.

 

[jjami15]

Not to the extent Rankine has.

I wonder if Port would be interested at 5, possibly earlier. If the noise around Adelaide's desire for Lukosius it will be interesting to see if Suns will deal if he slips to 2. Could look like;

Carlton - Walsh
Crows - Lukosius
Suns - Max King (KM highlighted that they might be keen)
Saints - ? Maybe Smith, Maybe Ben King or they might trade with Port. They don't have a lot of picks past 4.
Lions - Smith or trade with Port

Would be very happy with Smith or two picks around 10,11 mark.

 

[TheHairyGamer]

If we end up with pick 5 (after Lynch compensation) I think it is likely that one of the King twins could be taken earlier. GC or Saints. They both could do with players like them. Maybe Both are taken before our first

 

[spotthedog1]

I wonder if Port would be interested at 5, possibly earlier. If the noise around Adelaide's desire for Lukosius it will be interesting to see if Suns will deal if he slips to 2. Could look like;

Carlton - Walsh
Crows - Lukosius
Suns - Max King (KM highlighted that they might be keen)
Saints - ? Maybe Smith, Maybe Ben King or they might trade with Port. They don't have a lot of picks past 4.
Lions - Smith or trade with Port

Would be very happy with Smith or two picks around 10,11 mark.

I've been thinking about that...

Max King doing his rehab at St Kilda. They'll know both Ben and Max pretty well by now. Not at all a stretch that they'd get preference over other potential draftees. I'd say that the Saints are a better chance to take a King than the Suns. Could easily play out that GC take both, or that GC and StK take one each, or that GC take others and StK take one. Which means of the four that the Lions would likely favour (by BigFooty groupthink - Walsh, Luk, Smith, Rankine), at least one is a good chance to still be around at pick 5.

 

[Requiem]

I've been thinking about that...

Max King doing his rehab at St Kilda. They'll know both Ben and Max pretty well by now. Not at all a stretch that they'd get preference over other potential draftees. I'd say that the Saints are a better chance to take a King than the Suns. Could easily play out that GC take both, or that GC and StK take one each, or that GC take others and StK take one. Which means of the four that the Lions would likely favour (by BigFooty groupthink - Walsh, Luk, Smith, Rankine), at least one is a good chance to still be around at pick 5.

The Saint also have a need for tall timber up forward, because their current stocks are a mess.

McCartin has been riddled with concussion and hasn't shown much to suggest he'll be a dominant force, Battle hasn't even played 10 games (but has shown some potential), and Bruce has only had 1 good season several moons ago despite being 26.

Max King makes plenty of sense for the saints, provided they are patient with his rehab.

 

[Lionwest]

Would be interesting to see if we place a bid on Blakey at #5 (assuming that is where we end up). Outside of the Walsh/Smith pure midfielders i'd like his versatility in our set up, could evolve to a big midfielder as well. At the very least, force Swans to pay up for him.

 

[Tom14]

Sam McClure on the radio saying (as many others have) that there won't be a start of first round priority pick.

Instead the AFL is likely to give Carlton and Gold Coast priority access to 2 state league players each and a pick (hasn't said whether it will be mid first-round, end of first round etc) which they may be required to trade.

 

[a mayes ing]

Sam McClure on the radio saying (as many others have) that there won't be a start of first round priority pick.

Instead the AFL is likely to give Carlton and Gold Coast priority access to 2 state league players each and a pick (hasn't said whether it will be mid first-round, end of first round etc) which they may be required to trade.

Would think the Lions would be pissed if it was mid first round. We were a bigger basketcase than both Carlton and GC back in 2016 and we only got an end of first round.

 

[briztoon]

Carlton, Gold Coast, Saints and Lions all need midfielders first and foremost. But there are only two genuine top tier mids in Walsh and Smith. So Carlton and GC hold the whip hand there.

Would either Carlton or Gold Coast trade down with Adelaide for two picks in the 8 to 15 range (GC could even send pick 39 or 42 back if the trade is made during the trade period).

Gold Coast have said they want to take 5 picks inside the top 30 to the draft. If we include a compensation pick for Lynch, they would currently have picks 2, 3, 18, 26 30, 39 & 43.

GC could trade pick 2 (and 42) for picks 9 and 15 (Adelaide draft Lukosius), GC draft Max King at 3 and pick up two mids with picks 9 & 15, look at one of the KPF/Rucks or Jordan Clark as rebounding defender or another mid at 18, and still have pick ~27 to either match a bid on Bailey Scott or draft him outright.

GC then still have pick 30 and one or both picks 39 and 42 to trade for a extra picks in next years draft, or add as a sweetener to one of their 2018 mid first one picks to move it up a couple of spots. Hawthorn could trade their first round pick 14 to Gold Coast for pick 18 and 39.


From a Brisbane perspective, Port's picks 11 and 22 for Brisbane's pick 5 aren't as appealing as keeping Rankine, unless the kid is an out and out go home risk. If Gold Coast and Saints do not want to trade with Adelaide, I would seriously consider trading pick 5 if Bailey Smith and Sam Walsh were off the board for Adelaide's picks 9 and 15. I would even include our 3rd round pick 41 to get the deal done. Leaving us our 4th round pick 59 to match a bid on Connor McFadyen.

 

[briztoon]

Twomey discussed priority picks on Road to the Draft today, putting forth the argument that a mid first round pick, at pick 11 made more sense than an end of first round pick.

Edit: Or could have been on SEN with Whateley today.

 

[jackess]

Twomey discussed priority picks on Road to the Draft today, putting forth the argument that a mid first round pick, at pick 11 made more sense than an end of first round pick.

I wouldnt mind this as long as the AFL admit they should've given us the same 2 years ago

 

[Surly Boy]

I wouldnt mind this as long as the AFL admit they should've given us the same 2 years ago

And give us one as reparation....

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Bailey Smith on Road to the Draft this week was probably more vocal about wanting to stay in Victoria than Rankine has been about wanting to stay in SA, so I'm a bit surprised that people see it as a problem with Rankine and not with Smith.

I think we'd back ourselves in to pick just about anybody up at this stage and win them over to staying. Homesickness historically is easily cured by a good culture and on field success. I remember Oliver Florent being spoken about as the biggest go-home risk just about in draft history a few years ago, yet he's never looked like leaving the Swans.

 

[Jivlain]

Bailey Smith on Road to the Draft this week was probably more vocal about wanting to stay in Victoria than Rankine has been about wanting to stay in SA, so I'm a bit surprised that people see it as a problem with Rankine and not with Smith.

I think we'd back ourselves in to pick just about anybody up at this stage and win them over to staying. Homesickness historically is easily cured by a good culture and on field success. I remember Oliver Florent being spoken about as the biggest go-home risk just about in draft history a few years ago, yet he's never looked like leaving the Swans.

I recall people being particularly vocally at various times against recruiting additonal South Australians, between Polec and Aish (who didn't even go back to SA, indeed), and I wonder if there are echos of that in there.

 

[cotter101]

The draftees are increasingly getting asked whether they would like to stay in their home state. They are basically all going to say yes. Who wouldn’t want to stay around family and friends?

 

[M Malice]

Hi cotter101 , I'm waiting with bated breath for your draft power rankings.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Twomey discussed priority picks on Road to the Draft today, putting forth the argument that a mid first round pick, at pick 11 made more sense than an end of first round pick.

Edit: Or could have been on SEN with Whateley today.

Would prefer Carlton not get a PP but at least that will have no effect on our first rounder. Top 8 teams though will be pretty annoyed

 

[Tom14]

Article writing up what the assistance for Gold Coast and Carlton might look like: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ayers-from-state-leagues-20180822-p4zz47.html

It also suggests St Kilda will apply - I'd be pretty frustrated if they got assistance given they have won 27 games the last 3 years whereas we have only won 13.

 

[Nuggo]

Rankine has also spoken about how he'd find it difficult moving away from his family and community. Probably a bigger issue given he's indigenous

Reading Christensen's comments I would say 12 months ago he may well have found it extremely difficult but seems the cultural gap is being bridged at the Lions which may now provide the opportunity to hold onto players like Rankine.

 

[Nuggo]

Article writing up what the assistance for Gold Coast and Carlton might look like: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ayers-from-state-leagues-20180822-p4zz47.html

It also suggests St Kilda will apply - I'd be pretty frustrated if they got assistance given they have won 27 games the last 3 years whereas we have only won 13.

Stuffs me how St Kilda have creep into the priority pick/aid equations. The Lions really need to clear the air with the AFL on some matters that are floating around at the moment.

 

[Billy Puller]

I wouldn’t be spending energy moaning about what hand outs other clubs might/will get. Play the cards were dealt and move on. Who cares if our 1st, 2nd or third picks get pushed back. I’m gonna back the club with whatever decisions they make and the kids they pick. Hell they’ve done a bloody good job the last couple years.

The only thing I’m pretty stoked about in regards to priority picks is how we’re not in the conversation for one. The club is in its best position for the better part of a decade. Are we all so set on doom and gloom we constantly have to find the dark side of every situation? Ghee lighten up and enjoy the ****ing ride boys and girls

 

[Pride of lions]

Would prefer Carlton not get a PP but at least that will have no effect on our first rounder. Top 8 teams though will be pretty annoyed

What really gets up my nose is the fact that Carlton already have 20 first round picks on their list including three no.1 picks (4 before they traded Gibbs last year). And they have traded out numerous top players over the last few years as well,Kennedy,Betts,Jacobs,Touhy,Garlett,Robinson,Gibbs etc etc. And now they apparently deserve additional help! Totally self inflicted ,yet still want help even though they are fully loaded with first round picks. Very unfair when you consider what we have been given,one end of first round pick two years ago.