2018 Draft thread

[Tom14]

Tom Browne suggesting no priority pick for carlton

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

So nothing for anybody.

 

[Tom14]

So nothing for anybody.

Not clear yet - Tom Browne's report was different from Purple's (he says up to 2 state league players which they can't on trade, purple basically said the opposite) and there was no discussion of whether gold coast would get a priority pick.

 

[jackess]

So nothing for anybody.

Suns and Blues have priority access to a mature ager

 

[Dylan12]

It never ceases to amaze me how reactionary the AFL are to the point of repeatedly making knee-jerk decisions and even more with awarding Carlton / Suns access to a mature player to trade / retain given that mature players from state in leagues is in vogue in recent season(s).

 

[dlanod]

LOL.

It is believed the Blues and the Suns will have the right to on-trade the players they identify, in exchange for draft picks from other clubs.

Good to see the original concept of "it might make them better" has been tossed.

 

[Tom14]

More word that no PP for Carlton.

 

[jjami15]

As opposed to the negativity surrounding getting a high quality proven A grade performer that Neale is to our club to fill the exact deficiency we have in exchange for a lottery draft ticket??

Hawthorn and Sydney are very good examples of the value in trading draft picks for proven A grade talent, look where they are and then have a look where we are.

I’d happily trade 5 and 22 for Neale and yes if that isn’t enough I’d go to the draft. But the priority needs to be getting in A grade talent that want to come here.


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I totally understand where you are coming from but the negativity around the uncertainty around draft picks I find bewildering as you have pointed out missed opportunities with our draft picks but surprisingly Rayner, McCluggage, Berry and Witherden didn't suprisingly turn up on our list. It is a lottery, yes, the acquisition of Neale removes that notion of uncertainty but not at the risk of way over paying for that opportunity.

 

[davemc_lions]

i also think we want to start moving up the ladder. Getting high draft picks or kids that take a few years we already have a lot of those.
Rather someone who is A grade now as our kids already started that journey Hipwood, Berry, Witho, Mccluggae, Rayner, Bailey, Skinner, Starc etc.

 

[Dylan12]

Way too risky. If Neale requests a trade you get it done.

I don’t agree; you pass than pay the exorbitant demand Freo will have. Why sell the farm for Neale?

 

[Hollow Knight]

I don’t agree; you pass than pay the exorbitant demand Freo will have. Why sell the farm for Neale?

“Selling the farm” is highly subjective.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

“Selling the farm” is highly subjective.

It is, but some deals are obvious overpays, like Pick 2 for Weller. I hope we'd avoid spending this and next year's first on Neale. I'd love to have him but is he really worth (potentially) two top 10 picks?

 

[a mayes ing]

It is, but some deals are obvious overpays, like Pick 2 for Weller. I hope we'd avoid spending this and next year's first on Neale. I'd love to have him but is he really worth (potentially) two top 10 picks?

It would more likely be 2 top 5 picks if we were to give them that. Neale is not worth that even under contract. Just feels like pick 4 and 22 is the obvious trade

 

[bungalow_bill]

Two top five picks is way overs for Neale especially when we could get him for nothing in 2019. As well as overrating of draft picks there seems to be an equal overrating of Neale.

I totally understand where you are coming from but the negativity around the uncertainty around draft picks I find bewildering as you have pointed out missed opportunities with our draft picks but surprisingly Rayner, McCluggage, Berry and Witherden didn't suprisingly turn up on our list. It is a lottery, yes, the acquisition of Neale removes that notion of uncertainty but not at the risk of way over paying for that opportunity.

Yeah we've drafted very well in recent years. Even Aish is coming good and is playing in a grand final team.

 

[Scubaveg]

I totally understand where you are coming from but the negativity around the uncertainty around draft picks I find bewildering as you have pointed out missed opportunities with our draft picks but surprisingly Rayner, McCluggage, Berry and Witherden didn't suprisingly turn up on our list. It is a lottery, yes, the acquisition of Neale removes that notion of uncertainty but not at the risk of way over paying for that opportunity.

Equally neither do Spanderman, Mills, Wood, Cupdio or Longer appear on my list. You might’n remember those guys but unfortunately many of us do. False dawn after false dawn. The list of our draft busts vs successes is heartbreaking reading. The reality is there are more draft wipeouts then good players with long careers. The average AFL career lasts less then 6 years. That means players drafted as 18y’s are out of the system by 24. We are looking for A grade talent that play into their early 30’s. Now if we can’t get a proven A grade talent then yes take premium picks to the draft, but if you can take the proven A grader it’s a no brainer.


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[Clarkythelion]

Equally neither do Spanderman, Mills, Wood, Cupdio or Longer appear on my list. You might’n remover those guys but unfortunate many of us do. False dawn after false dawn. The list of our draft busts vs successes is heartbreaking reading. The reality is there are more draft wipeouts then good players with long careers. The average AFL career lasts less then 6 years. That means players drafted as 18y’s are out of the system by 24. We are looking for A grade talent that play into their early 30’s. Now if we can’t get a proven A grade talent then yes take premium picks to the draft, but if you can take the proven A grader it’s a no brainer.


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Your right, by my reckoning Brisbane alone just looking at the first pick each year generally gets 1 good player to 3 not so good. Rayner, McCluggage although only new then Rich and Luenberger have been serviceable. Schache, Dawson (pick 44 after Beams trade) Aish, Mayes, Longer, Polec, Bartlett (after fevola trade) Henderson, Clark, Wood and so on. Yes if you can get a guaranteed A grader in a trade I'm if favour of taking a chance on a kid especially if you pick is outside the first couple.

 

[Dylan12]

The average AFL career lasts less then 6 years. That means players drafted as 18y’s are out of the system by 24. We are looking for A grade talent that play into their early 30’s.

Yep and we'd be lucky even getting that out of Neale.

At best we'll get maybe 2-3 good years out of Neale, yet most want to give up a heap to get him.

Makes a lot of sense.

 

[cotter101]

Yep and we'd be lucky even getting that out of Neale.

At best we'll get maybe 2-3 good years out of Neale, yet most want to give up a heap to get him.

Makes a lot of sense.

Neale’s 25 and is as durable as anyone going around right now. One of the best contested ball winners in the competition and runs two ways. We seriously lack someone like him.

I’d suggest we’ll get more than 2-3 good years out of him.

Depends what you deem fair for Neale and what you deem as “Selling the farm”.

 

[Scubaveg]

Yep and we'd be lucky even getting that out of Neale.

At best we'll get maybe 2-3 good years out of Neale, yet most want to give up a heap to get him.

Makes a lot of sense.

Positive outlook again Dylan?


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[CarterS]

Yep and we'd be lucky even getting that out of Neale.

At best we'll get maybe 2-3 good years out of Neale, yet most want to give up a heap to get him.

Makes a lot of sense.

He is 25 WTF are you on about

 

[buttermuffs]

He is 25 WTF are you on about

Yeah, I feel you. If Beams and Zorko are anything to go by he will still be performing until 30. Even after 30, he will still be more than productive for us.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Equally neither do Spanderman, Mills, Wood, Cupdio or Longer appear on my list.

The difference being none of those players were chosen by our current management and scouts. Of course the current brains trust isn't infallible, but they seem to have much more of a clue around drafting than the club did previously. If they like existing players more than the value they see with draft picks from their scouting, I won't argue with that.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Our new guys have a very good record thus far. Also drafting now is a more exact science then it was back in the 2000's. On top of that a lot of those early busts were late first rounders, may have been different if we had top five picks instead.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yep and we'd be lucky even getting that out of Neale.

At best we'll get maybe 2-3 good years out of Neale, yet most want to give up a heap to get him.

Makes a lot of sense.

“2-3 years at best”.

From a highly durable 25 year old.

Dylan12 everybody!

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

This debate, like the one about Charlie Cameron, will all be a distant memory when he's tearing it up next year and beyond.