2018 Draft thread

[POBT]

For all the emphasis on our midfield and running defenders, one can't help but think that to fulfill our promise we probably need a number (least three) of our developing talls (Payne, Ballenden, Wooller, Fullarton, Skinner, Eagles and Archie) to be in the seniors or pushing for selection by the end of next season.

I dunno. Our starting group of talls is both young and improving. We’ve really stabilised the line up in terms of the talls. Injuries pending, we could easily see the same 6-7 tall blokes play out the year. Certainly, the defence seems very settled at least.

IMO, a lot depends on McStay’s improvement. Hipwood could have a similar year to this year and we could survive. But if McStay can take another step, then that locks away the second tall forward position.

 

[M Malice]

IMO, a lot depends on McStay’s improvement. Hipwood could have a similar year to this year and we could survive. But if McStay can take another step, then that locks away the second tall forward position.

I couldn't agree more.

We are fine in the KPD area of the ground IMO. McStay stepping up in 2019 would be a huge positive re our rise up the ladder prospects.

 

[Lions Flag 2020]

Congratulations. We’ve raised kids that are now aged between 10 and 40yo. It’s not flashy, but it is a great lifestyle. And you hardly notice the bit of sanity it it destroys.

Or the depression when your 8 year old can cover drive better than you and your 9 year old can beat you at tennis!

 

[Nunez]

I dunno. Our starting group of talls is both young and improving. We’ve really stabilised the line up in terms of the talls. Injuries pending, we could easily see the same 6-7 tall blokes play out the year. Certainly, the defence seems very settled at least.

IMO, a lot depends on McStay’s improvement. Hipwood could have a similar year to this year and we could survive. But if McStay can take another step, then that locks away the second tall forward position.

Nailed it mate.

If McStay can start getting more shots on goal, coupled with his improved accuracy towards the end of the year he could easily become a 40+ goal forward. Having 80 odd goals between Hipwood and McStay alone will make a big difference in our climb up the ladder.

 

[Gadzorks]

Or the depression when your 8 year old can cover drive better than you and your 9 year old can beat you at tennis!

And you never forget the 'your grandchildren are lovely' comments.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

In my assessment, any doubts about the King brothers being flight risks if drafted interstate and not to the same club are pretty much dispelled by the interview on AFL.com.

 

[trikster]

Sam Walsh on SEN today said that GWS are 1 of 6 clubs that have requested an interview (didn't mention Brisbane). I can only guess they are doing due diligence in case Sheil wants to go to Carlton, which you would expect would cost them #1.

 

[irish]

Pick 35.

Hi folks with all these players looking to be traded in , What's the likely draft picks we can expect ? And is mcfayden a lock ?

 

[SizeMatters]

Hi folks with all these players looking to be traded in , What's the likely draft picks we can expect ? And is mcfayden a lock ?

Will be interesting come draft time. I wonder if we'll give Berry a crack over McFadyen if a bid comes in while Berry is still on the draft boards. I know I would.

 

[Dylan12]

Will be interesting come draft time. I wonder if we'll give Berry a crack over McFadyen if a bid comes in while Berry is still on the draft boards. I know I would.

Same.

 

[M Malice]

Will be interesting come draft time. I wonder if we'll give Berry a crack over McFadyen if a bid comes in while Berry is still on the draft boards. I know I would.

If we somehow go into the draft with our 2nd rounder which will end up around the 25 mark we could get caught out if we pass on McFadyen hoping for someone else eg. Tom Berry.

If A club bids on McFadyen at say pick 20, there is no guarantee that Berry or the player we want would still be there, they could get taken in the 4-5 picks before we get our selection. McFadyen would have to be bid on the selection before ours to be certain of getting Berry/another player we rate higher.

To pass on McFadyen in that situation we would have to have multiple players ranked in front of him and still on the board.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Schache, Aish come to mind. The point is the likelihood of success in recruiting is far far better when recruiting a known A grade talent compared to an unknown untried 18yo.



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thats so right, looking at the Lions drawing history, at least with our first pick we get 1 good one to 3 bad or left early ones. That makes the odds of trading for an A grader using only 1 or even 2 draft picks to be well worth it.

 

[Clarkythelion]

We see so many Qlders who show promise as an under 16/17 player who don’t progress in their draft year. I think it’s really hard to say what Fullarton would have done. I mean, Ballenden was highly rated 12 months out from his draft but slipped a fair way.

I heard a theory on this from the QAFL on why the Queenslanders drop off in their last year. I was to do with them finishing school a year earlier so the Victorians are still playing school footy and in a daily program of getting up going to school, training and playing against top opposition and still getting seen. The Queenslanders don't have the full daily program and discipline of the school system and play less footy.

 

[briztoon]

thats so right, looking at the Lions drawing history, at least with our first pick we get 1 good one to 3 bad or left early ones. That makes the odds of trading for an A grader using only 1 or even 2 draft picks to be well worth it.

Seeing as Stephen Conole has only been in charge for the past 3/4 drafts, I much prefer to look at our drafting history under Conole.

 

[dlanod]

Seeing as Stephen Conole has only been in charge for the past 3/4 drafts, I much prefer to look at our drafting history under Conole.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Conole has been head recruiter since 2012 and employed under Hadley since the start of 2011.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Conole has been head recruiter since 2012 and employed under Hadley since the start of 2011.

well if he started in 2012 the first draft was not a good one - Mayes, Paparone, Close. His average overall is a little better than our long term average. On the down side, just taking his first pick (after any trades) Aish, Schache, Dawson and on the up side McCluggage and Rayner. We might conclude he is improving with 2016, 2017 and 2013 being very promising but 2012, 2014 and 2015 a bit skinny. Whatever - I'm still for trading a draft selection with a 50/50 possibility for a proven performer with a few good years of results and a low injury rate.

 

[briztoon]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Conole has been head recruiter since 2012 and employed under Hadley since the start of 2011.

That's cool with me. Still would prefer to look at Conole's drafting record. 2012 was ok with Mayes, Papparone (done by persistent injuries), and Close.
Barring Aish, pretty much nailed the 2013 draft. We traded out most our picks 2014 picks. 2015 looked good at the time, Schahche didn't work out, and Keays hasn't come on liked we'd home. 2016 and 2017 both look good at this stage.

 

[davemc_lions]

Aish after Polec, yeo etc never knew why we picked him.. after him in draft father-son McDonald then was Saleem, Freeman, Sheed, Lennon.. half of them not playing anymore so not just us. First round picks 50-50 hence why I like the Neale idea.
Although 2013 we got Gardiner, McStay, Taylor, Cutler, Smith and Robertson in that draft so was pretty good apart from Aish
There was other reasons Schache did not work with us. Not sure you blame recruiter, hopefully settles at the dogs becomes a good player.
Dawson.. injured.

Official page not bad read needs to be updated
http://www.lions.com.au/club/history/brisbane-lions-history/draft-history
2008 Rich.. Rockcliff and Redden still playing
2009 zero.. Hanley Still playing
2010 Lester.. Polec still playing..
2011 Zero.. Yeo, Docherty, Longer and Crisp still playing.. the draft that we lost talent.. interesting Neale went 58 Linc McCarthy 66
2012 Mayes.. Crisp was elevated although rookie drafted the year before
5 drafts 3 playing for us 8 elsewhere is where it hurts. Around 30 picks so only 30% still playing as well not a great strike rate. Then you loose most

2013 Gardiner, McStay, Taylor, Smith, Cutler and Robertson.. lost Aish
2014 Dawson and Andrews.. Zero playing elsewhere.
2015 onwards too soon..

 

[Brett C]

thats so right, looking at the Lions drawing history, at least with our first pick we get 1 good one to 3 bad or left early ones. That makes the odds of trading for an A grader using only 1 or even 2 draft picks to be well worth it.

Outside of Schache our last 3 drafts have been pretty stellar and probably more reflective of the clubs direction and fingers crossed the work the team puts into the draft.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Outside of Schache our last 3 drafts have been pretty stellar and probably more reflective of the clubs direction and fingers crossed the work the team puts into the draft.

Oh yes, 2015, 2016 and 2017 look super years and club turn around drafts. Plug the holes now with effective trading and overlay that with continued great medical and support services and we are all off to Melbourne again late in September. Sure do hope we get there again before Collingwood do.

 

[TheHairyGamer]

Will be interesting come draft time. I wonder if we'll give Berry a crack over McFadyen if a bid comes in while Berry is still on the draft boards. I know I would.

I would expect so. We have gone with group recruiting when it came to McLugage, Berry and Witherden to help keep them together, I imagine getting to add another Berry to that would be a great option. Especially considering a lot of folks have him as a better player than his brother

 

[Scubaveg]

That's cool with me. Still would prefer to look at Conole's drafting record. 2012 was ok with Mayes, Papparone (done by persistent injuries), and Close.
Barring Aish, pretty much nailed the 2013 draft. We traded out most our picks 2014 picks. 2015 looked good at the time, Schahche didn't work out, and Keays hasn't come on liked we'd home. 2016 and 2017 both look good at this stage.

It’s the top end talent that’s most important though. The first round selections, Mayes, Aish Schache all major busts for top ten picks. Since then Clugga and Rayner which so far look good. The relevance though is we’re comparing the benefit to the club of either a proven A grade talent in Neale or an untried teenager in the draft. At best we have on one hand 50/50 success rate with draft picks in top ten or a proven at level A grade talent that meets our needs. To me it’s a no brainer trade pick 5 and bring in the A grade talent.


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[dlanod]

It’s the top end talent that’s most important though. The first round selections, Mayes, Aish Schache all major busts for top ten picks.

To some degree...

Sydney has had a lot of success despite having more than their fair share of first round busts. They've done it by acquiring talent via other means, e.g. trades but also later picks, etc. We've acquired a lot of later round picks who are overperforming, which means bringing in talent via other means might not hurt as much.

 

[Scubaveg]

To some degree...

Sydney has had a lot of success despite having more than their fair share of first round busts. They've done it by acquiring talent via other means, e.g. trades but also later picks, etc. We've acquired a lot of later round picks who are overperforming, which means bringing in talent via other means might not hurt as much.

Agree absolutely. I think the conversation thread here though was the arguments for keeping pick five and going to the draft or trading it for Neale.

Arguments had been put that our draft record was poor. The counter to this was not under Conole. I disputed that by demonstrating our poor record with top ten picks. The response then shifted to Conole had a good record overall.

Pick 5 is elite talent territory. Elite talent generally comes at the pointy end of the draft and our record there under Conole at the pointy end at best has been 50/50. Which when put into the context of trade pick 5 for Neale a proven A grade talent or go to the draft for me comes up trade for the proven talent every time.


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[briztoon]

Agree absolutely. I think the conversation thread here though was the arguments for keeping pick five and going to the draft or trading it for Neale.

Arguments had been put that our draft record was poor. The counter to this was not under Conole. I disputed that by demonstrating our poor record with top ten picks. The response then shifted to Conole had a good record overall.

Pick 5 is elite talent territory. Elite talent generally comes at the pointy end of the draft and our record there under Conole at the pointy end at best has been 50/50. Which when put into the context of trade pick 5 for Neale a proven A grade talent or go to the draft for me comes up trade for the proven talent every time.


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mmm I wasn’t arguing to keep pick 5 versus trading for Neale. I was mentioning we should not look at our full drafting history, but rather just Conole’s record.