2018 Draft thread

[Lions Lions]

Noble looks happy and Ely too in the second photo

Dom has his arms crossed in that photo.... he looks defensive and scared of the kid they just drafted.

 

[dlanod]

Berry wasn't higher than the groupthink, was he? I loved him pre-draft, and was concerned about the family pull given the tragedy they went through, but otherwise was stoked.

Just went back and checked the mock draft board - almost all had him in the 19-20 range, so a reach given the metric is "no one else picked the player that early".

 

[spotthedog1]

Just went back and checked the mock draft board - almost all had him in the 19-20 range, so a reach given the metric is "no one else picked the player that early".

Just went back for a look.

Twomey had him at 14.
ESPN (knightmare) at 16.
Quayle (back at The Age) at 15.

Either way, I think in the age of live trading, you have to get both skill and value. Avoid reaching and shrewdly trade up into the better players, or down into better value.

 

[spotthedog1]

Also, while I'm reading through Emma Quayle's phantom for fun (such a shame she went to clubland), this photo of Bez came up. Love the facial expression...

 

[Milpool]

Ely has opened up his Instagram and put a picture up saying he's excited to join the lions. I don't think he's a big talker/fan of the spotlight and that's fine, sometimes even a blessing in this day and age.

 

[chopperduck]

Just went back for a look.

Twomey had him at 14.
ESPN (knightmare) at 16.
Quayle (back at The Age) at 15.

Either way, I think in the age of live trading, you have to get both skill and value. Avoid reaching and shrewdly trade up into the better players, or down into better value.

You trade if you need to, but not because of public group think. Clubs rate players differently, and if we had Smith ranked around or even before the pick we used then we will be happy with that. Sometimes you can use it to your advantage, and trade back because you know you rate a player at 20 but the rest are at 30, but ultimately it is a risk because you dont know other clubs 100%.

Berry, Bailey, Starc and now Smith arw good examples were i think we as a club have rated them much higher then the group think. Hugh an example of us trading back to get the player we want with a later pick. We rated Hugh at 1 but knew we could get him with 3.

 

[L Dizz]

It wouldn't surprise me if we try to trade up our pick 30 (or 33 or whatever it is now) to ensure we definitely get another pick before McFadyen is bid on.

 

[dlanod]

Just went back for a look.

Twomey had him at 14.
ESPN (knightmare) at 16.
Quayle (back at The Age) at 15.

Either way, I think in the age of live trading, you have to get both skill and value. Avoid reaching and shrewdly trade up into the better players, or down into better value.

Except those guys (not KM) are based off club info. Ely can't be a reach if you're using that metric for Berry:

Twomey had Ely at our pick.
Fox (Matt Balmer) also linked him to us.

Either both are (Berry a bit less so) or neither are.

 

[GEEitLONG]

You guys think Academy and Darling Downs product Tom Matthews any chance of getting drafted? How do you rate him? Future?

 

[Nick Lions]

So basically what I'm reading is the club has earned no benefit of the doubt for taking guys like Berry and Bailey higher than the group think recently.

I think most are disappointed that we didn’t select one of the guys selected before our pick. But these players were already off the board. There’s a very good chance Smith becomes a better player than any of the players selected after him. Which would be a win for the club.

 

[spotthedog1]

Except those guys (not KM) are based off club info. Ely can't be a reach if you're using that metric for Berry:

Twomey had Ely at our pick.
Fox (Matt Balmer) also linked him to us.

Either both are (Berry a bit less so) or neither are.

Problem with that is that none of those phantoms had him going to us. So if you call it inside info, then you accept that other clubs rated him as well.

5-10 untaken players present at the draft. No other club was considering Smith in the first round, or someone else would've invited him too. I know there was only GWS after us, but it's clear that other clubs had backup options, and Smith wasn't one of them. This suggests it was a reach for actual clubs, not just bigfooty groupthink.

 

[briztoon]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...t/news-story/8d3bb5434217d36c91a3e585c856684e

Balmer has us taking Joyce, McFadyen and Berry with our next 3 picks

Haven’t heard much about Joyce. Is he quick?

Joyce is Lachie Neale 2.0.

He’s also this year bargain injured player draft pick.

 

[spotthedog1]

I think most are disappointed that we didn’t select one of the guys selected before our pick. But these players were already off the board. There’s a very good chance Smith becomes a better player than any of the players selected after him. Which would be a win for the club.

It does look like we missed out on that higher level of talent, and probably had to take our first pick in the next level down. So you trade up for a player you want, or down for better value.

 

[Ironmonger]

Problem with that is that none of those phantoms had him going to us. So if you call it inside info, then you accept that other clubs rated him as well.

5-10 untaken players present at the draft. No other club was considering Smith in the first round, or someone else would've invited him too. I know there was only GWS after us, but it's clear that other clubs had backup options, and Smith wasn't one of them. This suggests it was a reach for actual clubs, not just bigfooty groupthink.

Pretty sure there was at least one phantom that had Smith going to GWS at pick 22.

But frankly this seems like an argument over nothing. If your definition of a reach is that no other club was considering a certain player at that point of the draft, then you can never really know. It's just a weak concept to build an argument on.

 

[ManeMan]

Just had a look back through the national combine results.. Ely killed it. 4th in the kicking test, 1st in standing vertical leap, top 5 in both left and right running leaps, top 10 in the agility test, top 10 in the yo-yo test. Seems quite the athlete.

I reckon he looked more of a pure footballer than athlete in the highlights vids too. Very clean hands and great ability to break away from the pack. I think I remember reading somewhere he had a 40 possession game at the champs too? All bodes well for Ely and us!

 

[T Rick]

Interesting that BF (Pie4Life) had us as the club that invited Smith to the Draft but when asked, he hesitated awkwardly and said "no" and that it was Sheehan...would a player actually know who the Club invitee would be?

 

[L Dizz]

You guys think Academy and Darling Downs product Tom Matthews any chance of getting drafted? How do you rate him? Future?

McFadyen and Coleman seem the more likely academy players to get picked up. And as we've committed to retaking Bastinac and Allison in the rookie draft we don't have a rookie spot available either. I guess if another club rookied one of those two a spot might open up for him. Seems unlikely though.

 

[spotthedog1]

Pretty sure there was at least one phantom that had Smith going to GWS at pick 22.

But frankly this seems like an argument over nothing. If your definition of a reach is that no other club was considering a certain player at that point of the draft, then you can never really know. It's just a weak concept to build an argument on.

Pretty sure that was after Smith was invited but before it was known who invited him. It was a guess.

Yeah, I know, I'm talking based on suggestion, not certainty. Quite possible West Coast would've taken him, but didnt invite anyone. Unlikely though given the number of players still in attendance.

This is still better reasoning than people saying "looks like a gun". To me, people saying "club took him, must be awesome" or "Noble looked stoked to get him" are just the reverse side of the coin to "he wasn't smiling, must be a flight risk". Both are just the vibe.

 

[Hollow Knight]

You guys think Academy and Darling Downs product Tom Matthews any chance of getting drafted? How do you rate him? Future?

One of the students I teach is friends with him and told me he’s been told he’s in the frame around pick 60.

Take that with plenty of salt though.

 

[trikster]

Ely Smith walks in to his first centre bounce, looks at his opponent and says 'I must break you'

On [device_name] using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[jjami15]

Dear Noble, Conole and Ambrogio,

Now I don't ask for much but whatever you have to do draft T. Berry. Don't care where, don't care how just get it done

P.S. I know you all read this forum (well that's what we tell ourselves anyway).

Now for those of you on here and question the footballing ability blah, blah, blah. It's got nothing to do with that ad I once had a healthy but respectable man love for J.Brown this is beginning to evolve for one J.Berry.

 

[Ironmonger]

Pretty sure that was after Smith was invited but before it was known who invited him. It was a guess.

Yeah, I know, I'm talking based on suggestion, not certainty. Quite possible West Coast would've taken him, but didnt invite anyone. Unlikely though given the number of players still in attendance.

This is still better reasoning than people saying "looks like a gun". To me, people saying "club took him, must be awesome" or "Noble looked stoked to get him" are just the reverse side of the coin to "he wasn't smiling, must be a flight risk". Both are just the vibe.

Ha! We completely agree on that last bit.

But that sort of stuff is just cheerleading. It's not about reasoning.

 

[cotter101]

So basically what I'm reading is the club has earned no benefit of the doubt for taking guys like Berry and Bailey higher than the group think recently.

Not overly sure Berry was higher than groupthink at the time. But yeah, the club has some brownie points.

BigFooty Phantom Drafter’s ranking and the real life ranking don’t always match up kiddo’s.

 

[Kevvo]

Interesting that BF (Pie4Life) had us as the club that invited Smith to the Draft but when asked, he hesitated awkwardly and said "no" and that it was Sheehan...would a player actually know who the Club invitee would be?

I think the idea is that clubs tell the AFL that a player should be there. Someone from the AFL would then tell the player.

I’m sure he knew we were keen but I doubt he knew for sure that we invited him.

 

[Surly Boy]

Ely has opened up his Instagram and put a picture up saying he's excited to join the lions. I don't think he's a big talker/fan of the spotlight and that's fine, sometimes even a blessing in this day and age.