2018 Draft thread

[briztoon]

Rankine playing his way into contention for the Crows first pick?

From people who we at the game.

Sounds like both Rankine and Hill we’re underwhelming?

Hill was, Rankine did Rankine stuff. Didnt get big numbers but showed his bag of tricks.

yep recruiters around me had several chuckles about him and Rankine doing ridiculous things

when Jack missed one of the set shots there was the one liner of "max King would've kicked it" what got a few laughs

Why were they laughing at Rankine?

On a number of occasions he did some stupid crazy slick moves, and the scouts would look at each other, shake their heads and laugh.

 

[bird_man]

What kind of player do you think you will target in the draft? Key position or another mid?

Great year to have an early pick, no matter which type of player you target there'll be someone there of quality.

 

[briztoon]

It would be interesting to see what Hately's testing results were as both Smith and Walsh are aerobic beasts. Looking forward to seeing some more vision of the boys as the champs continues but the ability to work at the coal face and also be able to spread is highly important in today's game and skills by foot. Caldwell and Berry have a bit of toe and that ability to get separation from a contest. Supposedly Bytel isn't as resilient as some recruiters would like. Yesterday, the majority of Valente's clearances were accumulated early when the contest was more willing. Apologies for highlighting Melbourne again but another thing to take into consideration was the majority of their newer players are hard at it types so again another factor to take into consideration. I'm still for generating more picks in the top 25 somehow.

If the squiggle predictor is correct, between teams matching academy and F/S bids, and compensation picks being handed out, we might only end up with 1 top 25 pick this year. Really hard seeing teams willing to trade out of the draft.

 

[lionshine]

What kind of player do you think you will target in the draft? Key position or another mid?

Great year to have an early pick, no matter which type of player you target there'll be someone there of quality.

Unless Lukosius is available we'll go for a mid. Walsh or Smith seem the most likely at this early stage to be in contention for that pick 2-4 range we'll likely be selecting at you'd think. Adding say Walsh to McCluggage/Berry/Rayner will set our future midfield up for the next decade.

 

[briztoon]

What kind of player do you think you will target in the draft? Key position or another mid?

Great year to have an early pick, no matter which type of player you target there'll be someone there of quality.

Any two from Sam Walsh, Jackson Hately, Bailey Smith, Jye Caldwell, Curtis Taylor, Connor Rozee, Tom Berry.

 

[bird_man]

Unless Lukosius is available we'll go for a mid. Walsh or Smith seem the most likely at this early stage to be in contention for that pick 2-4 range we'll likely be selecting at you'd think. Adding say Walsh to McCluggage/Berry/Rayner will set our future midfield up for the next decade.

Any two from Sam Walsh, Jackson Hately, Bailey Smith, Jye Caldwell, Curtis Taylor, Connor Rozee, Tom Berry.

We are probably looking at the same player. I think if the draft was done tomorrow we’d probably take whoever is left out of Walsh and Smith. Both look terrific IMO.

Good luck for the rest of the year fellas. Got a great list together.

 

[lionshine]

I think Jack Lukosius is going to be an absolute gun in the Charlie Curnow mould from early on. He's like a tall midfielder/flanker in terms of his speed, athletic ability and skills at ground level/around the ground and is just as effective in front of goal when crumbing then he is from a set shot after a big contested mark. As a result of his skill set and athletic ability even though he is a KPP I feel like he is highly unlikely to be a bust. Seems highly unlikely we end up with him unless we finish last though and to get a midfielder of the calibre of Walsh/Smith with pick 2-4 will be great.

 

[jjami15]

If the squiggle predictor is correct, between teams matching academy and F/S bids, and compensation picks being handed out, we might only end up with 1 top 25 pick this year. Really hard seeing teams willing to trade out of the draft.

Have had a look at the predictor and have thought they could be correct but then you see the possibility of having 3 of your best 22 go down in one week and then you're not so sure. Some teams
might be in 'Win Now' mode and might make trades at the later end of the first round. I reckon 2 FA at most might leave but lots of water to go under the bridge.

Any two from Sam Walsh, Jackson Hately, Bailey Smith, Jye Caldwell, Curtis Taylor, Connor Rozee, Tom Berry.

One from the bolded group and another from the rest would be ideal.

 

[briztoon]

Home with the man flu, so have watched the SA v WA game.

Lukosius was clearly the best kid on the ground. Elite field kick, runs up and down wing and in to middle, and leads in to space at speed and his defender can't stay with him. Right now, Lukosius is what we hope Hipwood will develop in to.

Rankine didn't go hunting the ball as much as he did last year. Looked liked he played much more of a team role. He set up two goals where he weaved through congestion with ease. That kick to Lukosius in the third quarter. Pulled the kick across his body after turning out of congestion, looked like he was going to kick for goal, but centered it to Lukosius. Watching on youtube, you could hear everyone laugh a gasp and start talking about how there's almost no one in the AFL that can do that. There was another moment where he turned on the spot in congestion, shimmied, then turned back out of gap and delivered a pin point kick to an open team mate. He just creates time and space for himself where there normally wouldn't be any.

It was hard for me to seperate Hately and Valente in terms of who had the more impact. I actually think Valente had the better game. I watched Hately specifically and was fairly underwhelmed. He's a big kid with wide shoulders and long arms, and you can see he has the frame to develop a body similar to Cripps.

I'm surprised Hately had so many possessions, as for the first 3 quarters, he was often playing just outside the contest, rather than putting his head over the ball, waiting to clear the ball if it came to him, but it rarely did. He butchered two kicks under minimal pressure, where it looked liked he toe poked them and they bobbled along the ground. Over all I thought a most of his kicks were poor.

 

[M Malice]

Home with the man flu, so have watched the SA v WA game.

Lukosius was clearly the best kid on the ground. Elite field kick, runs up and down wing and in to middle, and leads in to space at speed and his defender can't stay with him. Right now, Lukosius is what we hope Hipwood will develop in to.

Rankine didn't go hunting the ball as much as he did last year. Looked liked he played much more of a team role. He set up two goals where he weaved through congestion with ease. That kick to Lukosius in the third quarter. Pulled the kick across his body after turning out of congestion, looked like he was going to kick for goal, but centered it to Lukosius. Watching on youtube, you could hear everyone laugh a gasp and start talking about how there's almost no one in the AFL that can do that. There was another moment where he turned on the spot in congestion, shimmied, then turned back out of gap and delivered a pin point kick to an open team mate. He just creates time and space for himself where there normally wouldn't be any.

It was hard for me to seperate Hately and Valente in terms of who had the more impact. I actually think Valente had the better game. I watched Hately specifically and was fairly underwhelmed. He's a big kid with wide shoulders and long arms, and you can see he has the frame to develop a body similar to Cripps.

I'm surprised Hately had so many possessions, as for the first 3 quarters, he was often playing just outside the contest, rather than putting his head over the ball, waiting to clear the ball if it came to him, but it rarely did. He butchered two kicks under minimal pressure, where it looked liked he toe poked them and they bobbled along the ground. Over all I thought a most of his kicks were poor.

Thanks briz, have you backed off Hately a bit on that performance?

I'm looking forward to your reports on the rest of the championships particularly on our prospective midfield targets.

 

[Tim F]

Surely some club in the top 4 would seriously consider giving up there first pick in this years draft for our 2019 first rounder . For the clubs that think we will improve surely there is other clubs who would see us in bottom 4 next year and that would be an attractive prospect. Perhaps we give up our 2019 first rounder for their second rounder and then in 2019 we can package our 2 second rounders and try and sneak a first rounder . Really would be good to not only have an elite talent in the first 4 picks of this draft but if we could add say another pick around 15-18 might get us another quality mid ala Tom Berry type.

 

[jjami15]

Home with the man flu, so have watched the SA v WA game.

Lukosius was clearly the best kid on the ground. Elite field kick, runs up and down wing and in to middle, and leads in to space at speed and his defender can't stay with him. Right now, Lukosius is what we hope Hipwood will develop in to.

Rankine didn't go hunting the ball as much as he did last year. Looked liked he played much more of a team role. He set up two goals where he weaved through congestion with ease. That kick to Lukosius in the third quarter. Pulled the kick across his body after turning out of congestion, looked like he was going to kick for goal, but centered it to Lukosius. Watching on youtube, you could hear everyone laugh a gasp and start talking about how there's almost no one in the AFL that can do that. There was another moment where he turned on the spot in congestion, shimmied, then turned back out of gap and delivered a pin point kick to an open team mate. He just creates time and space for himself where there normally wouldn't be any.

It was hard for me to seperate Hately and Valente in terms of who had the more impact. I actually think Valente had the better game. I watched Hately specifically and was fairly underwhelmed. He's a big kid with wide shoulders and long arms, and you can see he has the frame to develop a body similar to Cripps.

I'm surprised Hately had so many possessions, as for the first 3 quarters, he was often playing just outside the contest, rather than putting his head over the ball, waiting to clear the ball if it came to him, but it rarely did. He butchered two kicks under minimal pressure, where it looked liked he toe poked them and they bobbled along the ground. Over all I thought a most of his kicks were poor.

Cracking effort, saw there was a full replay and thought you must be joking especially without any commentary.

 

[briztoon]

Thanks briz, have you backed off Hately a bit on that performance?

I'm looking forward to your reports on the rest of the championships particularly on our prospective midfield targets.

I haven't really been on Hately, having not watched him before. First time watching him, I was expecting more from reading about him. Not ready to judge him on the one game, and I'm interested to read how others viewed his game.

Much more interested in Bailey Smith and Tom Berry so far.

I fly out to Vietnam on the 12th, and will be away for 3 weeks, so will miss most of the Championships unfortunately.

 

[a mayes ing]

Would really love to get Thomas to our club, but alas I think our first pick will be too high and our 2nd too low.

Yep would love him at our club but starting to resign myself that we wont be able to get him. Every game seems to be getting better and better. Unless he says he want's to be at Brisbane which l don't think is his character to do that, would be ncie tho.

 

[briztoon]

Cracking effort, saw there was a full replay and thought you must be joking especially without any commentary.

Well the first half I watched with no volume as my GF was still asleep in bed this morning. I did turn the volume on when she got up. You could hear the kids calling to each other, and very muted discussion which I assumed were some of the scouts.

 

[Berrygood]

Taking the rose colored glasses off and looking at the rest of the draw i think we are realistically only a chance of winning 3 more games this year (freo, carlton and the suns). A loss to one or more of those sides and i dont think we can finish higher than 16, (17 if st kilda have 2 or 3 more wins). Wooden spoon if we lose all 3. Sure theres a chance of a surprise win but with injuries mounting its becoming more unlikely. Its a tough second half of the draw. Our first draft pick wont be worse than 3. Assuming lukosious, rankine go first 2, we should have the pick of any mid we feel is right for the club. We may even get a shot at the two i mentioned if we finished lower. I think we can bank on first class talent joining the lions whatever happens. I do hope we do better, win a few more games, get on a bit of a roll.

 

[briztoon]

Taking the rose colored glasses off and looking at the rest of the draw i think we are realistically only a chance of winning 3 more games this year (freo, carlton and the suns). A loss to one or more of those sides and i dont think we can finish higher than 16, (17 if st kilda have 2 or 3 more wins). Wooden spoon if we lose all 3. Sure theres a chance of a surprise win but with injuries mounting its becoming more unlikely. Its a tough second half of the draw. Our first draft pick wont be worse than 3. Assuming lukosious, rankine go first 2, we should have the pick of any mid we feel is right for the club. We may even get a shot at the two i mentioned if we finished lower. I think we can bank on first class talent joining the lions whatever happens. I do hope we do better, win a few more games, get on a bit of a roll.

I wouldn't assume Rankine will go top 2. Unless he torches both Vic M and Vic C, I can see Rankine slipping in to the 5 to 10 range. dlanod wrote an excellent post about why certain positions go later in the draft, despite some kids appearing to be more talented than others drafted before them.

 

[M Malice]

With this draft looking like it is going to be stocked full of gun mids I would be all for us trading our round 1 2019 selection with a club in the 5-10 range this year.

Live trading of picks is going to make draft night very interesting as well.

 

[briztoon]

With this draft looking like it is going to be stocked full of gun mids I would be all for us trading our round 1 2019 selection with a club in the 5-10 range this year.

Live trading of picks is going to make draft night very interesting as well.

I'd even consider trading it for a pick in the 10 to 15 range.

I'd target Norths first round pick. Start by offering our 2018 & 2019 second round picks, for their 2018 first and 2019 3rd.

 

[M Malice]

A poster on the draft, trading and FA board just posted that Chris Fagan on the couch tonight said that we will be applying for a PP this year. You would think it would be an end of first round again if we got it, it'd be handy to help us move up the draft order.

 

[Nunez]

A poster on the draft, trading and FA board just posted that Chris Fagan on the couch tonight said that we will be applying for a PP this year. You would think it would be an end of first round again if we got it, it'd be handy to help us move up the draft order.

If any team should get one it is us. **** Carlton.

 

[jjami15]

A poster on the draft, trading and FA board just posted that Chris Fagan on the couch tonight said that we will be applying for a PP this year. You would think it would be an end of first round again if we got it, it'd be handy to help us move up the draft order.

Long time fan of the program and Gerard Healy has been quite fervent about teams that have missed out on playing finals for a long duration of time (he said 4yrs/like the olympics) to get another pick at the end of the 1st round. Roos said that he had no problems with it but should be traded (cause players are banging down the door to go to teams who haven't played finals for years). Healy wasn't a fan of the PP due to the selective nature of it but Fagan stated that we, and others should request purely to get more talent in.

I'd even consider trading it for a pick in the 10 to 15 range.

I'd target Norths first round pick. Start by offering our 2018 & 2019 second round picks, for their 2018 first and 2019 3rd.

If the AFL was actually serious then we wouldn't have to trade next years first rounds pick as there would be a system as above to assist. I believe that the talent has been diluted by the extra 2 teams and FA then if they were serious to say after 5yrs then picks for those teams should be before the finalists picks. (They can't whinge too much they did play finals)
Carlton would have 1, 10
Bris would have 2, 12,
Saints would have 3, 13
Suns would have 4, 14
Systems like this would get the talent in a lot quicker and then a quicker rise up the ladder. There is talk of generations of kids who go through their whole primary schooling without their teams having any success and the fear is that they will drop off and my greatest fear is they go for someone else.

 

[SizeMatters]

without looking any any prospects and if Lukosius is out of the mix then a Walsh/Berry combo will be super. Already have some synergy playing in the same midfield group. Good mix as well.

 

[eDPS]

I haven't really been on Hately, having not watched him before. First time watching him, I was expecting more from reading about him. Not ready to judge him on the one game, and I'm interested to read how others viewed his game.

Much more interested in Bailey Smith and Tom Berry so far.

I fly out to Vietnam on the 12th, and will be away for 3 weeks, so will miss most of the Championships unfortunately.

I’ve told you this but for others on here that don’t know Hately’s kicking has always been a query, it was poor last year at the champs but much like last year he had no problems winning the ball around the ground. What Hately will always have going for him is his size, smarts and ability to also go forward and kick a goal, I think you find most players of that type aren’t the most elite kicks at AFL level but if his kicking where to improve he would be a top 5 prospect also add to that a bit more hunger at stoppages at the moment he is more Pendlebury like at the stoppages which isn’t a bad thing.

 

[jackess]

I’ve told you this but for others on here that don’t know Hately’s kicking has always been a query, it was poor last year at the champs but much like last year he had no problems winning the ball around the ground. What Hately will always have going for him is his size, smarts and ability to also go forward and kick a goal, I think you find most players of that type aren’t the most elite kicks at AFL level but if his kicking where to improve he would be a top 5 prospect also add to that a bit more hunger at stoppages at the moment he is more Pendlebury like at the stoppages which isn’t a bad thing.

I think kicking can improve very quickly in the AFL system. Bailey has an accurate, easy kicking action now but his kicking was poor last year.