2018 Draft thread

[luthor]

Nice article on Walsh.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...l-stay-where-i-m-drafted-20180702-p4zp2a.html

I know we got burnt on the romance of Schache playing for us but this guy is a lot more pro-active in his Lions love than Schache ever was.

Another class midfielder is what we need and Sam fits the bill perfectly ,

We should be doing evertthing in our power to secure him IMO, including trading up as TBD has already alluded to.

 

[luthor]

I thought there was?

So did I

 

[Dylan12]

So in addition to Sam Walsh, Thomas Berry, Jarrod Cameron, Casey Voss, we have to try to get in Curtis Taylor:

Rayner even regularly lobbies Brisbane's national recruiting manager Steve Conole to recruit his best mate, Calder Cannons and Vic Metro star Curtis Taylor. But the teenager still appreciates his own place in draft history.

 

[jjami15]

I'd love either Walsh or Smith, but my gut says they're both gone before pick 4. And that means if we finish 16th or better we're no chance of drafting one of the two best mids in the draft. The squiggle ladder predictor on the draft & trade page has had us finishing 16th for more than a month now, and I'm 100% convinced that Lynch is gone from the GC and that the Suns will get band 1 compensation.

I'm hopping RCD puts together a fantastic back half of the season and solidifies himself as the next best midfielder.

I'm still a massive fan of what Rankine can do, but am more than a little concerned that he presents as a genuine flight risk.


If we finish in 16th and our first draft pick does get pushed back to pick 4, I'm willing to explore trade options for a lower top 10 pick and another first round pick. Obviously I'm looking at Adelaide's current two first rounders, which sit at pick 8 and pick 13, that's if they are unable to trade themselves up to pick 1. We'd have to send something back as well, such as our current third round pick (which I don't believe they'd take), or realistically our 2019 second round pick.


Mock draft time using the Ladder Predictor with Band 1 Compensation Picks added in.


1 Carlton - Jack Lukosius

2 Gold Coast - Sam Walsh

3 Gold Coast - Bailey Smith
(Compensation pick for losing Tom Lynch)

4 Brisbane - Izak Rankine

5 St Kilda - Max King

6 Sydney Swans - Nick Blakey
(Matching Bulldogs Bid, lose pick 19)

7 Western Bulldogs - Riley Collier-Dawkins

8. North Melbourne - Tarryn Thomas
(Matching Fremantles Bid, lose pick 13)

9. Fremantle - Ian Hill

10. Essendon - Jackson Hately

11. Adelaide - Connor Rozee

12. Adelaide - Ben King
(Compensation pick for losing Rory Sloane)

13. Greater Western Sydney - Ned McHenry

14. Hawthorn - Curtis Taylor

15. Geelong - Bailey Williams

16. Adelaide - Xavier Duursma

17. Gold Coast - Riley Bowman
(From West Coast 2017 trade)

18. Port Adelaide - Luke Valente

19. Collingwood - Chayce Jones

20. Richmond - Jye Caldwell

I can't see Gold Coast going for one or both of the King twins, pretty much for the same reason that many Lions fans would go for either of the King twins. Not that they're not a need after losing Lynch, but more that we have question marks about them being that good at AFL level.

As you can see in my mock draft, Gold Coast could still get a KPP at their later first round pick with both Bailey Williams and Riley Bowman possibly in the mix.

Ben King was the hardest for me to project who might go for him.


Even with Adelaide's mid round picks sliding back due to Gold Coasts compensation pick, and Blakey and Thomas being bid on before their first pick, I'd still consider trading pick 4 (Rankine) for what ends up as picks 11 & 16. Looking at my mock draft, I'd be wanting to make it a straight swap, or at worst, including our 4th round pick back.

Great effort. Interestingly Carlton, Lions and Suns all play each other still to go. I didn't get to watch all of yesterday's game but Freo were just not in it mentally prepared to play but I'll take the win. If we beat Carlton I'll be even more impressed with the short turn around and flying back from WA which sounds ridiculous but we saw yesterday what can happen when a team isn't on.

Lynch is gone but do the Suns take the compo or force a trade? Suns might take the compo and draft Rankine knowing that there is a trade with the Crows and they might load up again like 2016 draft.

I reckon Walsh will be gone as you said and possibly to Carlton. Suns might look to draft Lukosius and Rankine and keep them eventhough they do need mids. I reckon Bailey Smith will be around our pick and will be interesting to see who might jump up also. As long as we get the best mids then I'll be happy.

 

[3KZ is Football]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...l-stay-where-i-m-drafted-20180702-p4zp2a.html

... and he’s from Cobden!

 

[BRAB]

Yeah I honestly would prefer we lose to the suns in round 22 reading that about Walsh. Seems perfect for us.

 

[3KZ is Football]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...l-stay-where-i-m-drafted-20180702-p4zp2a.html

... and he’s from Cobden!

I taught some Walshes in 1990 when I was at Camperdown H.S. I wonder if they are relatives.

 

[Dylan12]

I taught some Walshes in 1990 when I was at Camperdown H.S. I wonder if they are relatives.

Did you hear Lewis Taylor say on last week's Roar Deal that Sam Walsh's Dad, Wayne, taught him woodwork in high school (Koroit or Camperdown maybe).

Did you know Sam's dad?

 

[Dylan12]

Surely we have to recruit Fitzroy.

 

[briztoon]

Great work Briztoon. Especially factoring in the potential compo's and matching bid's

Two questions:

1. What do do think of the chances Gold Coast or Adelaide forcing trades for Lynch and Sloane respectively? IMO maybe not the former but possibly the latter.

2. If and when it comes in, how will live trades work? That is, does the trade happen before a team picks or after a team makes a selection. For Example if Adelaide wanted Rankine, do they wait until a team select him and then offer a trade, or do they have to try and trade for a pick. Eg Lion's pick 4 anticipating Brisbane's selection? Using this scenario what would you want from Adelaide - or would you just keep Rankine?

Ok, that's about 4 questions.

My understanding of the live trading is that if we select Rankine with pick 4 - Adelaide or any other club for that matter will have the option of offering up a trade scenario to get their man. If there is more than 1 club that wants him the bidding war begins I would imagine.

I think the Suns take the compo pick.

They already have a late first, two more second round picks and two more third round picks.

I can’t see them being offered a trade that would acceptable to them.

They’re pretty much going to be forced to rebuild through the draft, much like we are.


As for live trading, who knows. I have heard Twomey speculate that it will just be picks, so if Adelaide wanted Rankine, they’d have to trade for the pick before a team selected Rankine.

 

[briztoon]

So in addition to Sam Walsh, Thomas Berry, Jarrod Cameron, Casey Voss, we have to try to get in Curtis Taylor:

Yeah, he’s the player I’m keen to trade for, and that was before the Rayner link. I see him as a similar player to Taranto.

Duursma would also be a good mid first round pick if Taylor is gone.

 

[trikster]

Nice article on Walsh.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...l-stay-where-i-m-drafted-20180702-p4zp2a.html

No Sam, you are in for the long haul IF drafted by Brisbane, otherwise we will talk in 2 years time *nudge nudge wink wink*

 

[Hollow Knight]

Walsh basically said “I will be honoured to go anywhere. Pssst Carlton... that Lukosius kid looks alright eh?”

 

[Jivlain]

Nice article on Walsh.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...l-stay-where-i-m-drafted-20180702-p4zp2a.html

I recall something the other day about how he was starting to watch the draft order. Then nek minit he comes out and points out
1) he'd be staying where he's drafted even if it's an interstate club
2) Lukosius would be a good pick #1 if the team who currently have pick #1 want to draft one of those

Short of waving some semaphores around...

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I'm not entirely across the Suns list, but if they have two picks in the top 5 and don't take a tall with either of them I'd be surprised. Certainly think they'd look to take a mid with one of them most likely, but with Lynch going they've got quite a big hole in that area.

Also Max King is apparently rehabbing from his ACL at St Kilda, so they may well target him.

 

[briztoon]

I'm not entirely across the Suns list, but if they have two picks in the top 5 and don't take a tall with either of them I'd be surprised. Certainly think they'd look to take a mid with one of them most likely, but with Lynch going they've got quite a big hole in that area.

Also Max King is apparently rehabbing from his ACL at St Kilda, so they may well target him.

Suns fans in general are against drafting a tall if they have one or two top 5 picks.

 

[jjami15]

Suns fans in general are against drafting a tall if they have one or two top 5 picks.

Lucky they're not recruiters.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Did you hear Lewis Taylor say on last week's Roar Deal that Sam Walsh's Dad, Wayne, taught him woodwork in high school (Koroit or Camperdown maybe).

Did you know Sam's dad?

https://www.standard.net.au/story/4860352/the-flag-which-came-from-out-of-the-blue/

Only to look at. I taught / was form teacher for Leigh and Chris (pictured).

Basically if you were from Cobden you were a Hammond or a Walsh.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Surely we have to recruit Fitzroy.

We should and when my youngest son, Quinlan, is in the draft we can pick him too. He has already nominated Brisbane as his preferred destination.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I taught some Walshes in 1990 when I was at Camperdown H.S. I wonder if they are relatives.

Uncles.

 

[Tim F]

Think we beat Carlton St Kilda and Gold Coast so will be pick 4 if saints beat gold coast when they play. Not sure whether that puts us out of reach or Walsh but potentially still rankine and smith there. Walsh would seem like the feel good story thought being a lions supporter.

If Steven May was to leave would that be potentially for same compo as lynch so could Gold Coast have 3 ,4,5 in draft ?

Hard to know which way Gold Coast would go in that situation. I still think afl may step in and offer marketing for lynch which would make it a god father offer 2,000,000 plus and they will guarantee concessions and help which to me I don’t think is right considering what they were given at the start .

 

[Lionwest]

Think we beat Carlton St Kilda and Gold Coast so will be pick 4 if saints beat gold coast when they play. Not sure whether that puts us out of reach or Walsh but potentially still rankine and smith there. Walsh would seem like the feel good story thought being a lions supporter.

If Steven May was to leave would that be potentially for same compo as lynch so could Gold Coast have 3 ,4,5 in draft ?

Hard to know which way Gold Coast would go in that situation. I still think afl may step in and offer marketing for lynch which would make it a god father offer 2,000,000 plus and they will guarantee concessions and help which to me I don’t think is right considering what they were given at the start .

Pretty sure Steven May becomes a free agent next season, any move this season would require a trade.

 

[briztoon]

Think we beat Carlton St Kilda and Gold Coast so will be pick 4 if saints beat gold coast when they play. Not sure whether that puts us out of reach or Walsh but potentially still rankine and smith there. Walsh would seem like the feel good story thought being a lions supporter.

If Steven May was to leave would that be potentially for same compo as lynch so could Gold Coast have 3 ,4,5 in draft ?

Hard to know which way Gold Coast would go in that situation. I still think afl may step in and offer marketing for lynch which would make it a god father offer 2,000,000 plus and they will guarantee concessions and help which to me I don’t think is right considering what they were given at the start .

May is OOC next year.

 

[scoman]

Lucky they're not recruiters.

They have the least amount of KPP on their list out of all clubs. Barely enough to field a NEAFL side as it stands. I still think they should target the King twins. They could even trade #2 and #3 (if they lose lynch and finish 17th) to Adelaide and find a way to turn them into the King twins and a first round mid.

 

[Tim F]

No way you let may walk then gotta play hardball.