2018 Draft thread

[Gabbattoir]

“Selling the farm” is highly subjective.

Yep. There are collateral benefits that sometimes get overlooked or can’t be known when values are bandied around. Drafting a Neale type player into a team like Brisbane might be the catalyst for a Witherden or Rayner to stay. The club would know these quality kids have expectations too and may not want to wait forever. In that scenario pick 5 and 22 is a steal and two top fives might even be worth it.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Yep and we'd be lucky even getting that out of Neale.

At best we'll get maybe 2-3 good years out of Neale, yet most want to give up a heap to get him.

Makes a lot of sense.

Contrary to popular belief, you are allowed to hold an opposing viewpoint and you often hold a differing opinion to mine which is interesting. But if you think people will just agree with you, then you’re in the wrong place. When you over-exaggerate to make your point, your point becomes invalid. I honestly don’t know why you do it.

 

[Scubaveg]

The difference being none of those players were chosen by our current management and scouts. Of course the current brains trust isn't infallible, but they seem to have much more of a clue around drafting than the club did previously. If they like existing players more than the value they see with draft picks from their scouting, I won't argue with that.

Schache, Aish come to mind. The point is the likelihood of success in recruiting is far far better when recruiting a known A grade talent compared to an unknown untried 18yo.



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[Scubaveg]

The difference being none of those players were chosen by our current management and scouts. Of course the current brains trust isn't infallible, but they seem to have much more of a clue around drafting than the club did previously. If they like existing players more than the value they see with draft picks from their scouting, I won't argue with that.

Aish 7, Mayes 8, Longer 8, Leuenberger 4 hardly end of first round. Granted Spanderman as late. The others, I would argue all a bust on what you would expect for a premium pick and all around about the pick 5 mark which is where we end up this year. All significantly inferior to the output we would expect from a proven A grader like Neale.


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[POBT]

2 likely cracks at a top 10 pick is too much for me to give up for Neale, particularly when this year at least will be a top 5 pick. I think draft picks are overrated but there’s a point where you risk long term sustainability with a trade like that.

If we can limit the damage to this year’s draft and preserve our current young talent, then I’m on board for trading for Neale.

 

[cotter101]

2 likely cracks at a top 10 pick is too much for me to give up for Neale, particularly when this year at least will be a top 5 pick. I think draft picks are overrated but there’s a point where you risk long term sustainability with a trade like that.

If we can limit the damage to this year’s draft and preserve our current young talent, then I’m on board for trading for Neale.

This is where the discussion regarding what people deem as ‘selling the farm’ comes into play. I tend to agree that I wouldn’t be up for trading what will be a top 5 pick and a top 10 pick for Neale. Based off Nobles comments in the past, I doubt we trade a future first round pick unless it is to get back into this years first round after trading for Neale.

I think the Beams trade represents what we should realistically expect to trade for Neale.

We gave up 5, 25 and Jack Crisp for Beams. Keeping in mind Crisp at the time was off the rookie list and had played a few games that year and did show his potential. But he was also already looking at a move home.

This years pick 5 and 22(which probably ends up at 25-27) is probably a fair trade for both parties with perhaps a fringe type or pick upgrades going into the mix.

Mine and many other’s comments regarding Neale are more directed to the people who feel pick 5, 22 and perhaps some loose change is indeed selling the farm.

In order to get a quality player that’s going to fill multiple gaps in your list, you’ve got to cough up.

 

[Scubaveg]

2 likely cracks at a top 10 pick is too much for me to give up for Neale, particularly when this year at least will be a top 5 pick. I think draft picks are overrated but there’s a point where you risk long term sustainability with a trade like that.

If we can limit the damage to this year’s draft and preserve our current young talent, then I’m on board for trading for Neale.

I’m not advocating two top ten picks, at the same time there are arguments on our board that pick 5 alone is paying overs for Neale. Pick 5 on its own is not overs but is under’s in my view. A first and a second seems on the money to me.


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[Johnny Bananas]

Schache, Aish come to mind.

I was referring to the Fagan/Noble era from the 2016 draft onwards. Neither of those players come into it. As for your other post, I don't understand what it has to do with mine.

 

[Scubaveg]

Our new guys have a very good record thus far. Also drafting now is a more exact science then it was back in the 2000's. On top of that a lot of those early busts were late first rounders, may have been different if we had top five picks instead.

Aish 7, Mayes 8, Longer 8, Leuenberger 4 hardly end of first round. Granted Spanderman as late. The others, I would argue all a bust on what you would expect for a premium pick and all around about the pick 5 mark which is where we end up this year. All significantly inferior to the output we would expect from a proven A grader like Neale.


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[Scubaveg]

I was referring to the Fagan/Noble era from the 2016 draft onwards. Neither of those players come into it. As for your other post, I don't understand what it has to do with mine.

Apologies respond to the wrong post ‍


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[briztoon]

I’m not advocating two top ten picks, at the same time there are arguments on our board that pick 5 alone is paying overs for Neale. Pick 5 on its own is not overs but is under’s in my view. A first and a second seems on the money to me.


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Honestly can not remember a single poster mentioning pick 5 as overs.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Aish 7, Mayes 8, Longer 8, Leuenberger 4 hardly end of first round. Granted Spanderman as late. The others, I would argue all a bust on what you would expect for a premium pick and all around about the pick 5 mark which is where we end up this year. All significantly inferior to the output we would expect from a proven A grader like Neale.


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Also Cam Wood. And even though he left Docherty was a good get for pick 12. Having said that I'm on board with pick 5/22 but not our 2019 first no matter how many seconds come back

 

[Dylan12]

Honestly can not remember a single poster mentioning pick 5 as overs.

No surprise, but I’m one.

 

[Dylan12]

Contrary to popular belief, you are allowed to hold an opposing viewpoint and you often hold a differing opinion to mine which is interesting. But if you think people will just agree with you, then you’re in the wrong place. When you over-exaggerate to make your point, your point becomes invalid. I honestly don’t know why you do it.

My point being that we’d only get 2-3 years of Neale in his prime, meaning that after he is 28 odd; you’d likely see a decline in form, which on the balance of giving up a lot for Neale, I think is too much for the short time we’d have Neale in his prime, that is, a player that has no stand out qualities and vanilla at best.

 

[snooplions]

Every player is different but 27-28 is more likely to be a players peak age rather than the start of their downfall from what I've seen.

 

[jackess]

I think if we get Neale and maybe another decent player 2021 will be our first push for a GF similar to what Melbourne did this year. Will then give us a couple of years near the top while he's still in his 20s playing decent footy and even after that hopefully we still have Clug, Berry, Rayner, Bailey, Cutler, etc. playing some decent footy.

It'd be great if he was 2 years younger but we don't have much of a choice and for us playing finals will be massive.

Guys like Lynch and May wanting out for success should scare our fans into thinking we need to jump into the finals sooner rather than later.

 

[Scubaveg]

Honestly can not remember a single poster mentioning pick 5 as overs.

There’s been a few, Dylan is one..


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[The Flying Belgian]

My point being that we’d only get 2-3 years of Neale in his prime, meaning that after he is 28 odd; you’d likely see a decline in form, which on the balance of giving up a lot for Neale, I think is too much for the short time we’d have Neale in his prime, that is, a player that has no stand out qualities and vanilla at best.

I see, that makes more sense to me then. But then you go and argue he’s vanilla at best which I can’t agree with. For argument sake, what kind of player would you be comfortable in giving our first and second rounder?

 

[jackess]

Surely we don't have to continue arguing with Dylan.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Surely we don't have to continue arguing with Dylan.

You can stop arguing if you want. I’m just trying to understand someone else’s point of view.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Vanilla milkshakes are my favourite flavour.

 

[kenberger]

You can stop arguing if you want. I’m just trying to understand someone else’s point of view.

Would be good if there was more of that. I don’t post a whole lot, but still spend way more time on this site than is healthy. Unfortunately it often ends up with pages of the same point followed by a post by someone like Dylan12 then pages of people playing the man. End of the day we all want the same thing whether our ways of getting there seem outlandish or not

 

[jackess]

Would be good if there was more of that. I don’t post a whole lot, but still spend way more time on this site than is healthy. Unfortunately it often ends up with pages of the same point followed by a post by someone like Dylan12 then pages of people playing the man. End of the day we all want the same thing whether our ways of getting there seem outlandish or not

So you don't like Vanilla posters?

 

[kenberger]

So you don't like Vanilla posters?

Everyone likes vanilla as a freezer staple. But not many order it from Cold Rock

 

[Dylan12]

Surely we don't have to continue arguing with Dylan.

So I haven’t made it to your ignore list.