List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[OB11]

Would be suprised if carlton get a start of 1st round draft pick. Cant see it happening. But.... if they did we likely kiss walsh and lukosious goodbye but would then probably nab the king twins and smith.

Personally I would almost rather have 2, 3 and 20 than 3, 4 and 5 - that's how much I would prefer Walsh/Lukosius than taking both the King brothers.

Jay Clark is a moron so he has probably just pulled this out of his ass

 

[Young_Guns]

If both Carlton and us got a 1st round priority pick wouldnt it go:

pick 1 - Carlton (priority)
pick 2 - GC (priority)
pick 3 - Carlton
pick 4 - GC
pick 5 - GC (FA comp)

Like it used to back in the priority pick days?

I think its a mute point anyway because I doubt it would happen. Victoria would burn AFL house down. And also Jay Clark is an utter moron who likes talking out of his a**. Not that I think either team 100% deserves one anyway, but thats easily arguable either way. An end-of-round-1 pick I would agree with.

 

[TheSunGod]

A mid first round pick would make a lot more sense. Pick 11 for Carlton, pick 12 for Gold Coast. Doesn’t set anyone who missed the 8 back

Was thinking exactly the same thing.

 

[17er]

If both Carlton and us got a 1st round priority pick wouldnt it go:

pick 1 - Carlton (priority)
pick 2 - GC (priority)
pick 3 - Carlton
pick 4 - GC
pick 5 - GC (FA comp)

Like it used to back in the priority pick days?

I think its a mute point anyway because I doubt it would happen. Victoria would burn AFL house down. And also Jay Clark is an utter moron who likes talking out of his a**. Not that I think either team 100% deserves one anyway, but thats easily arguable either way. An end-of-round-1 pick I would agree with.

What is your rationale for the Suns not deserving a Top 5 Priority Pick? Carlton are about to have a 2 win season and the Suns have lost their Captain. What else needs to happen before the AFL pull the trigger? And by the way, they can shove pick #5 for Lynch up their arses!

 

[kreglze]

At some point I think we need to sort this out ourselves, I would be happy with 3 for Lynch and 20 as a priority pick, to go along with 2 and 16 which we already have. Gives us more than enough ammunition to attack the draft and trade period.

Any talk of us also getting a top 5 priority pick is ridiculous. The AFL just makes these rules up and just shows how amateurish this league is as a whole. The priority after the bottom 10 clubs have had their first pick is something the AFL could potentially look at, but if they were (there is no current indication they will) to just decide on it now without announcing it before the season is ridiculous.

If we get any existential assistance I would like it on list size/soft cap football department spending.

We need to get our back of house sorted first before we look at strengthening the team.

Also if we some how win this weekend and potentially push above Brisbane AND St Kilda, do those teams need top line priority picks as well?

All this is predicated off a Jay Clark article so it could all just be based off a 'feeling'.

 

[Young_Guns]

What is your rationale for the Suns not deserving a Top 5 Priority Pick? Carlton are about to have a 2 win season and the Suns have lost their Captain. What else needs to happen before the AFL pull the trigger? And by the way, they can shove pick #5 for Lynch up their arses!

I just think that pick 1/2 as a priority pick should not be a thing. If priority picks are required then give them out at the end of the first round, or even middle 1st round as some have suggested. I wouldn't be opposed to receiving a priority pick in either or these spots (obviously). I agree that list size/cap spending would be far more beneficial.

I also still believe (perhaps foolishly) that we are just a few midfielders pushing into the upper echelon away from cracking the code. Looking at our list and we have some serious talent, mostly around that 19-22 age that we are hoping will blossom in the next 3-4 years and really fill that gap in the middle we are crying our for. Adding possibly 2 of the likes of Lukosious (sp?) (not a mid but still), Walsh, Smith, Rankine as well as 1, possibly 2 more 1st round talents and maybe Bailey Scott will only further strengthen our potential (filthy words). Get a good coaching staff around them finally and we will see results.

I also can't stress how important a relatively INJURY FREE season is. Having our best 25-30 players playing together consistently, putting in place a gameplan that everyone is practising together and learning from a young age is vital and will provide the biggest improvement. It just needs to finally happen for once. No more stop-gapping players and going off schedule to fill a hole because of injuries will be huge. Just look at Brisbane for proof.

Get things in order and let the talent we do ave nurture and all of a sudden we aren't in this position anymore. If only it were that easy.

But again, this is just my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree or accept it. I know there are a lot of different viewpoints on this subject. ]

 

[OB11]

All this is predicated off a Jay Clark article so it could all just be based off a 'feeling'.

He's so far down the journalism totem poll he doesn't even have 'sources' (i.e. someone who may know may have told me this) he has 'feelings' (i.e. I read this on Bigfooty)

 

[eighties]

I also can't stress how important a relatively INJURY FREE season is. Having our best 25-30 players playing together consistently, putting in place a gameplan that everyone is practising together and learning from a young age is vital and will provide the biggest improvement. It just needs to finally happen for once. No more stop-gapping players and going off schedule to fill a hole because of injuries will be huge. Just look at Brisbane for proof.
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Imagine! would make life a whole lot easier.... How many times this year did we have Lynch, Wright, May and Thompson playing in the same team?

 

[Sunny_]

AFL today confirmed that they don't hand out those early picks anymore. It starts after round 1.

Quality journalism strikes again. Maybe check the facts before running with rumours on radio.

 

[gcsunsfc]

I also can't stress how important a relatively INJURY FREE season is. Having our best 25-30 players playing together consistently, putting in place a gameplan that everyone is practising together and learning from a young age is vital and will provide the biggest improvement. It just needs to finally happen for once. No more stop-gapping players and going off schedule to fill a hole because of injuries will be huge. Just look at Brisbane for proof.

How do we get this to happen?
Is it just bad luck, is it poor medical staff, poor high performance staff, poor facilities, the fact that we have to play a large proportion of young players?

I also agree this has been a major major barrier in preventing us from improving. Injury seems to be self perpetuating.. If we can't identify a cause.. and its going to be multifactorial. Then how do we implemented a solution?

 

[Iva Bigun]

Just can't see this happening


Triple M Footy news breaker Jay Clark says that the AFL are looking at giving Carlton and Gold Coast priority picks at the start of the first round of the 2018 draft.

Speaking on the Rush Hour today, Jay-Z said that the thinking had previously been that the two struggling sides would get the picks at the end of the first round, but that has changed.

LISTEN HERE:
“I think up until now we thought Gold Coast, Carlton, etc, were gonna get a priority pick at the end of the first round,” Jay-Z said.

“[But now] instead of getting one at pick 19 or 20, it’s gonna be front ended to follow their first pick.

“So for example Carlton get pick one as it stands, they then get pick two as a priority pick.

“And so Gold Coast finish second last, they normally get pick three.

“They also get pick four and then they get a Tom Lynch compensation pick, so they get pick five.”

The move could potentially anger other clubs who would have their access to the draft pushed back by the new picks.

I would put my house on the line that this won’t happen

 

[Big Red Machine]

I would put my house on the line that this won’t happen

I know you're desperate to come back to the sunshine Bigun but let's not be too rash

 

[gcsunsfc]

I know you're desperate to come back to the sunshine Bigun but let's not be too rash

Next Jay Clark headline

"punter puts 1 million dollars on the line"

Sydney house isn't Iva Bigun ?

 

[NOBBYS]

How do we get this to happen?
Is it just bad luck, is it poor medical staff, poor high performance staff, poor facilities, the fact that we have to play a large proportion of young players?

I also agree this has been a major major barrier in preventing us from improving. Injury seems to be self perpetuating.. If we can't identify a cause.. and its going to be multifactorial. Then how do we implemented a solution?

Agree injuries have been a major concern since year one ,early on thought the amount of young players we were playing was a major reason
plus shocking training facilities.
Today just about every club seems to have multiple injuries (Coll GWS WB CAR) equal to ours.
Perhaps its the style of games with lots of packs ,and then sudden breakaways at high speed.
Players have become much leaner over the past few years , perhaps a bit more bulk ( muscle) may help.

 

[Iva Bigun]

I know you're desperate to come back to the sunshine Bigun but let's not be too rash

I am too, my boss just was shown the door earlier in the week and he was one of the only reasons I was sticking it out in my role

 

[17er]

AFL today confirmed that they don't hand out those early picks anymore. It starts after round 1.

Quality journalism strikes again. Maybe check the facts before running with rumours on radio.

Where was this confirmed, Sunny? Given the start of 1st Round priority picks were canned because Victorian teams were tanking, is this just a shot across the bow in case either the Suns or the Lions were considering tanking today for better Draft position and a priority pick?

 

[Sunny_]

Where was this confirmed, Sunny? Given the start of 1st Round priority picks were canned because Victorian teams were tanking, is this just a shot across the bow in case either the Suns or the Lions were considering tanking today for better Draft position and a priority pick?

Jon Ralph called the AFL and had it clarified and tweeted that yesterday.

But now today after being interviewed by SEN Steven Hocking didn't rule it out. So two different messages.

Dunno what to think anymore.

 

[GcSunsfan]

AFL doing what they do best making rules up on the run

 

[kreglze]

AFL doing what they do best making rules up on the run

Yeah... this league. Absolute amateur hour.

 

[jooce8891]

what do you guys think about this pp debacle, saints were mention in the hocking interview??? theirs literally no case for st kilda to receive one, they were in finals contention last year and the year before, missing out on finals one year and missing finals by a game respectively. the only teams who should recieve it is gcs and Carlton. But not sure where they should be given.

 

[17er]

The case FOR the Suns getting a start of first round priority draft pick:

This is the basic formula for awarding a priority draft pick to the Gold Coast Suns:

The number of wins/draws/losses and overall pencentage that the Suns have had over past years:
2015 4 Wins/ 1 Draw/ 17 Losses 73%
2016 6 Wins/ 16 Losses 78%
2017 6 Wins/ 16 Losses 76%
2018 4 Wins/ 18 Losses (assuming losing this week and next) 69%
= 82 Premiership points from a possible 352
Aggregate percentage 74%

The Suns have never made it to the Finals in 8 seasons, which would disqualify them as it did for Carlton in 2015.

Injury rates by season are another of the Criteria - the Suns had 27 fit humans to select from this week, with a similar story over the past 4 seasons.

Brisbane Lions awarded priority pick in 2016 after 3.5 more wins.
2013 10/12
2014 7/15
2015 4/18
2016 3/19

The major sticking point for me is that the start of first round priority picks were taken off the table because Victorian teams were tanking. Through their blatant cheating, Melbourne and Carlton, who had both received multiple priority picks and whose clubs had each separately been found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute, screwed it up for everybody. However, the AFL commission retains the power to award priority picks on a discretionary basis using a formula that is not shared with the clubs so that they cannot cheat. Nobody has a worse record than the Suns, therefore, the Number 1 Draft pick should be awarded as a priority pick and Carlton can get stuffed because they are cheats.

The Suns have not submitted their application for a priority pick yet and the AFL has yet to fully conduct its investigation. All claims to regarding the allocation of the priority pick at #19 or otherwise are speculative conjecture. The AFL can award a pick anywhere in the first round they deem fair, start, middle or end and even the number of those picks is discretionary. I don't mind if the AFL decide that the middle of the first round is the right place for priority picks, as long as they give the Suns 2 of them! Expect this to be just one of several requests for assistance to, including more list spots, a higher salary cap and an expanded zone for Academy Players, such as the Northern Territory.

 

[17er]

Jon Ralph called the AFL and had it clarified and tweeted that yesterday.

But now today after being interviewed by SEN Steven Hocking didn't rule it out. So two different messages.

Dunno what to think anymore.

Thanks. Jon Ralph is an example of a good journalist gone bad, making up stories and chasing ambulances. He regularly bashes the Suns and it would be astonishing if his calls to AFL HQ ever made it past the Switchboard. Stephen Hocking far more believable.

 

[GcSunsfan]

AFL football boss Steve Hocking hasn’t ruled out the possibility of Carlton and Gold Coast receiving priority picks at the top of the first round.

The decision would grant the clubs picks two and four respectively (based on the current ladder).

If the Suns were to be given a first-round compensation pick for Tom Lynch’s free agency departure, Carlton and Gold Coast would hold the first five picks in the draft.

Hocking said a decision hasn’t been made, but isn’t willing to rule out the possibility.

“That’s yet to be decided as to where (the pick) would get placed,” Hocking told SEN’s Crunch Time.

“(The possibility is) still there, but it’s something that needs greater discussion as to where the industry sits on all of this.

“Gold Coast are currently flush with top end picks so they’re well on the way and what I would say is there’s a lot of water to go under the bridge.

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There’s that option (for the pick to be at the start of the first round), an option around mature age players as well. Do you need to go to a priority pick scenario or can you potentially give them access to mature age talent?”

“If you have a look at (Carlton and Gold Coast), that’s actually what they’re lacking. I’m not sure they need more talent.

“I personally think it’s broader than just pushing a priority pick towards them.”

Hocking revealed the Suns and Blues are yet to contact the AFL regarding a priority pick.

“Firstly, we need to hear from the clubs. They actually need to make contact with the AFL and put something forward and then beyond that that would be a discussion that needs to be held at the executive level and that goes through to the commission,” he said.

“I would say at this point it’s a fair way off because we haven’t actually heard from the club at this point in time.

“We don’t encourage the clubs (to come to us), but we’re certainly always in dialogue with the clubs.”

Listen to the full interview with Steve Hocking on Crunch Time below.

 

[ajsars]

“If you have a look at (Carlton and Gold Coast), that’s actually what they’re lacking. I’m not sure they need more talent.

Completely agree. We need some more Lyons and such to bolster our midfield. Cannot keep just drafting a bunch of kids, we need older guys to protect the kids we have now so we can make a run for the finals in a couple of years.

 

[Peel67skin]

Carlton and GC had the worse injuries list . PP are not going to solve the problem .