List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[Peel67skin]

Jimmy is with Lions part time.

Can GC offer better and get him over , part-timer I assume are on yearly term .

 

[Peel67skin]

Talking like it’s a done deal


Bartel "George Norlin-Smith isn't going to squeeze out Dangerfield or those guys at the Cats but was so strong in the VFL. If he can provide some good habits to the Suns list that will be great for them."

Well just a Rosa/Barlow replacement .

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Who is in charge of list management and the draft for you guys now that Scott Clayton has been moved on?

Was Clayton responsible for the dud deals like the West Coast pick swap 12 months ago? Or was someone else handling those trade deals?

 

[THE_GUN]

There also needs to be a level of respect for our club contributors whilst you bare Richmond colours. You’ve said you may move to the Coast and that’s good and well, but until then you are a guest and should be respectful in our forums. You have some good points, just don’t act like your part of the furniture and talk down, as you are below all the supporters at present in this forum until your colours change.

Looking at the posts you have quoted i honestly cannot see where i have been disrespectful ??
I have posted exactly as i do on the richmond board and if i dis agree with something i point it out and if i agree with it i also state i do, Would like to know where you believe i was disrespectful

 

[kreglze]

Who is in charge of list management and the draft for you guys now that Scott Clayton has been moved on?

Was Clayton responsible for the dud deals like the West Coast pick swap 12 months ago? Or was someone else handling those trade deals?

Na he was responsible for that.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Na he was responsible for that.

Cheers, sounds like he got given his marching orders for good reason then.

Ironic that he is now at West Coast.

 

[Ben Drever]

Well I guess it's agreed. Some caller on Trade Radio suggested #41 for Levi Casboult and the "experts" concurred

If we give up an early third for Casboult that would demonstrate how we love to be bent over by other clubs.

By experts?
You mean the draft/trade expert Nick Dal Santo who had photos of his little penis getting around the media during the infamous schoolgirl situation

 

[TheSunGod]

More "experts" in Barrett and Lloyd blaming the club for not playing 2MP more. "What's happened to him?" They ask "playing in the NEAFL". He was coming back from a significant injury you idiots

 

[Choppers]

More "experts" in Barrett and Lloyd blaming the club for not playing 2MP more. "What's happened to him?" They ask "playing in the NEAFL". He was coming back from a significant injury you idiots

Exactly.

And if you check the photos out from his trip in The States, you'll notice he still has a pressure bandage on his left leg.....

 

[TheSunGod]

Now we're apparently interested in Townsend from Richmond. Don't mind him as a player. Tough, can kick a goal. What's the knock on him? Too slow??

 

[17er]

Who is in charge of list management and the draft for you guys now that Scott Clayton has been moved on?

Was Clayton responsible for the dud deals like the West Coast pick swap 12 months ago? Or was someone else handling those trade deals?

The majority of posters here hate Scott Clayton and last year's Draft gave them plenty of material to sink the boot in. The reality is that Clayton's worth needs to be judged over the duration of his time recruiting at the Suns as well as the Bulldogs and Lion as well as what happened last year.

Around this time in 2017 the Club came out and announced that Scott Clayton would not be retained for 2018 but that he would carry out his duties for the Draft, presumably because he'd been conducting the scouting and negotiations for trading and drafting. The WC pick trade looks like an unmitigated disaster now, but it was made during the Lachie Weller negotiations which were done over Clayton's head. Clayton's calculations were that the Suns and Eagles both finish mid-table and that trading 3 second round picks would get the Suns into the 2018 top 10 draft picks. The Eagles argued for the Suns' future 2nd rounder, which is the one that illustrates just how badly the deal ended up.

The thing is, nobody really knows who gave the order for Clayton to make that deal. We do know that it was made in an attempt to get Freo to trade Weller without having to give up pick #2. We also know that the Weller Trade made Clayton look visibly nauseated on the trade deadline footage. The legacy he left the Suns isn't a disastrous pick trade because almost nobody mentions that we got Brayden Crossley out of it and we still have pick #18 whereas we really didn't need all those 2nd round picks. His legacy will be like it was at the Bulldogs and the Lions = the core of a successful team.

Scott Clayton's genius is flawed. He was undoubtedly a good scout and did very well in trade negotiations in and out of the club. He even managed to salvage the Weller Trade that he was ordered to make at all costs by identifying Charlie Ballard with the pick Freo sent as an afterthought with Weller. However, he was unable to build a successful list capable of winning a Premiership. At Brisbane, he came close and you could say that he was sabotaged by the merger because his amazing list ultimately remained together to win 3 flags. At the Bulldogs, he drafted some incredible talent that came close to glory and several players who were behind the 2016 flag. Any success the Suns have in the next 8 years has to come back to Clayton's recruitment, but not many were sad to see him go.

 

[Peel67skin]

Now we're apparently interested in Townsend from Richmond. Don't mind him as a player. Tough, can kick a goal. What's the knock on him? Too slow??

Yes , but will go to St kilda.

 

[Peel67skin]

I like him , but more a project player ( 2 years at NEAFL )

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Cheers, sounds like he got given his marching orders for good reason then.

Ironic that he is now at West Coast.

Our list is widely regarded as the worst in the league.
Sure he made some nice selections but when he got it wrong he held onto those players for far too long and our list suffered and also that player's currency.
He also selected players such as Lemmens and Leslie in the first two rounds of a very good draft in 2013. These left field sections are ok in the 4th round but not 2nd round. Melbourne pick swap in 2015 will also haunt us for years.
He had some excuses such as facilities, player development, assistants etc but not too many have left us and improved elsewhere.

 

[CommittedSuns]

I have mates in WA who have told me they wish they could deal with Gold Coast exclusively in the trade period cause they always get gold.

 

[17er]

I have mates in WA who have told me they wish they could deal with Gold Coast exclusively in the trade period cause they always get gold.

Your mates are w***ers

 

[OB11]

Our list is widely regarded as the worst in the league.
Sure he made some nice selections but when he got it wrong he held onto those players for far too long and our list suffered and also that player's currency.
He also selected players such as Lemmens and Leslie in the first two rounds of a very good draft in 2013. These left field sections are ok in the 4th round but not 2nd round. Melbourne pick swap in 2015 will also haunt us for years.
He had some excuses such as facilities, player development, assistants etc but not too many have left us and improved elsewhere.

He was a talent scout but not a list manager's a-hole

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[Bont2Bruce]

Our list is widely regarded as the worst in the league.
Sure he made some nice selections but when he got it wrong he held onto those players for far too long and our list suffered and also that player's currency.
He also selected players such as Lemmens and Leslie in the first two rounds of a very good draft in 2013. These left field sections are ok in the 4th round but not 2nd round. Melbourne pick swap in 2015 will also haunt us for years.
He had some excuses such as facilities, player development, assistants etc but not too many have left us and improved elsewhere.

I know where you are coming from.

During Scott Clayton's time with us, he repeatedly used first and second round picks on guys who didn't really do much in their careers and probably should have been 3rd round or later. Tom Williams, Jesse Wells, Jarrad Grant (who eventually finished up his career with you guys), Andrejs Everitt, Ayce Cordy, Dylan Addison, I could go on. Got a couple of early selections right (Cooney, Griffen, Ward), but many more were proven to be bad calls.

I don't really get why he gets touted as a "renowned" recruiter as much as he does. I reckon his overall record isn't really worthy of high praise.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

At the Bulldogs, he drafted some incredible talent that came close to glory and several players who were behind the 2016 flag. Any success the Suns have in the next 8 years has to come back to Clayton's recruitment, but not many were sad to see him go.

Not as many of his selections were pivotal to the 2016 flag as you suggest though. Dalrymple (who succeeded Clayton) had a far higher hit rate on selections and drafted most of the 2016 premiership team himself.

Most of the Bulldogs faithful don't rate Clayton as highly as you suggest.

 

[17er]

Not as many of his selections were pivotal to the 2016 flag as you suggest though. Dalrymple (who succeeded Clayton) had a far higher hit rate on selections and drafted most of the 2016 premiership team himself.

Most of the Bulldogs faithful don't rate Clayton as highly as you suggest.

Lindsay Gilbee, Brian Lake, Daniel Cross, Daniel Giansiracusa, Mith Hahn, Bob Murphy, Ryan Hargrave, Matthew Boyd, Dale Morris plus the blokes you mentioned. Not bad. At the Lions he recruited Michael Voss, Jason Akermanis, Simon Black, Nigel Lappin, Chris Scott, Luke Power, Daniel Bradshaw and Justin Leppitsch, among many others. What B-graders! Only 4 Brownlows!!

 

[Supersuns]

Lindsay Gilbee, Brian Lake, Daniel Cross, Daniel Giansiracusa, Mith Hahn, Bob Murphy, Ryan Hargrave, Matthew Boyd, Dale Morris plus the blokes you mentioned. Not bad. At the Lions he recruited Michael Voss, Jason Akermanis, Simon Black, Nigel Lappin, Chris Scott, Luke Power, Daniel Bradshaw and Justin Leppitsch, among many others. What B-graders! Only 4 Brownlows!!

He has been shithouse since then . Crap strike rate at the suns

 

[17er]

He has been shithouse since then . Crap strike rate at the suns

This is a typical Suns fan response. It is always feast or famine. There's so much more to the story than "nah, shithouse". The coaches and administration have mismanaged his players, although he has made his share of poor decisions. List manager would have to be the toughest most thankless job in footy after umpiring.

 

[gcsunsfc]

At a glance Richmond supporters bagging Townsend

“Not in our best 30”
“Hopeless”

Etc..
Have no idea the reliability of these posters but it’s certainly not all good.

 

[17er]

Not as many of his selections were pivotal to the 2016 flag as you suggest though. Dalrymple (who succeeded Clayton) had a far higher hit rate on selections and drafted most of the 2016 premiership team himself.

Most of the Bulldogs faithful don't rate Clayton as highly as you suggest.

The role Clayton played in the Suns Talent Academy will set the club up for the long haul as more and more Jack Bowes and Brayden Crossley types come through.

He has also made the most of adversity at the Suns bringing returns on wantaway players that have set up our list rebuild with high draft picks, also setting up contracts so that only certain amounts of top talent come out of contract each season.

If he wrote a book I'd buy it. I'd even think about bloody writing it!

 

[Suns Soldier]

Looking at the posts you have quoted i honestly cannot see where i have been disrespectful ??
I have posted exactly as i do on the richmond board and if i dis agree with something i point it out and if i agree with it i also state i do, Would like to know where you believe i was disrespectful

That’s my point, this is not a Richmond forum. Keep your opinions limited and the back chat minimal. It’s patronising especially when it’s not your forum.
Be polite and curtious on this forum.