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List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread
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Peel67skin
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I did , but he is a young kid.
I’m scratching my head as to why so many are not embracing what a massive opportunity being on an AFL list is.
The good times, the memories, the stories, the chance to make a name for yourself and the incredible financial opportunity.
Many players are wasting it and will soon be working in jobs where they slog away day in and day out till they access their Super which by the time they retire will be about 70 all because they are being little petals now.
At this rate the delistings will be epic at seasons end and we will be goung hard at the draft.
The GWS style list build was this
Four old blokes, who knew their job was to hit people as and when necessary to protect the kids - Chad Cornes, Luke Power, Dean Brogan and Junior McDonald. Note three of them were club captains or vice-captains.
A discarded forward in Setanta o'hAilipin, who also had the ability to go the knuckle (and small sample size, but kicked close to two goals a game for us).
An old coach, who used to play in the back pocket in the old days.
Then we added the kids, once the protection and leadership was around them.
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Peel67skin
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Nah look at your list , Phil Davis , Scully , ward for me .
They were kids. Yes, they were important, but they were kids, just like Dylan Shiel and Jeremy Cameron and so on.
They needed the old bodies around them to show them how to act off the field, and to protect them on the field.
Culture eats strategy for breakfast.
If Gold Coast are going to do a GWS-style rebuild, it starts with the old leaders.
Sheedy and Williams as coaches master strokes.
Meanwhile we got McKenna from the club that gave the world Mainwaring, Cousins, Kerr, Chick, Gardner, etc etc. The Drug Enablers.
Oh yeah and we were given some old demountable classrooms as training facilities from the QLD Education Dept.
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We need experienced big bodies (with some talent) to at least make us competitive every week and draft for A grade mids.
The real difference between the two clubs is list management despite you having a distinct advantage with list size and cap space early days. You moved on high draft picks if they were busts and managed to get decent returns for them. We kept ours.
You traded up to pick 2 to get Josh Kelly. We traded down to lose Oliver who we wanted.
You stacked your team with mids. We wasted 3 first round picks to get a small forward.
Old heads are good early days, but there’s a lot more to it.
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There wasn't a whole lot of difference between how we started.
We had Bock(AA), Matthew Warnock, Rischitelli (Club Champion), Brennan, Gary Ablett (AA), Campbell Brown (AA), Josh Fraser, Daniel Harris, Nathan Krakouer
Focus on senior players in the middle and defence.
Didn't quite pan out as they weren't the leaders that we clearly needed.
The main difference I feel is the 17 year olds you got were far far far superior
- Jeremy Cameron, Dylan Shiel, Adam Treloar, Nathan Wilson, Tom Bugg, Jack Hombsch
- Only ones GCS got who are still on a list (none of them regularly playing) Tom Nichols, Mav Weller, Brandon Matera, Matt Shaw, Trent Mckenzie
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It wouldn’t surprise me if the suns change there recruiting model to be more like the Swans by trading in those players that don’t get a regular game at there club like the swans do seeing Dew had been there for a few years.
that's the part I don't get either Bods, to run, tackle, compete when the ball is in your area is simply want and desire not talent or ability, these young guys earning a spot are not desperate enough
You're missing the difference.
Gold Coast hired All-Australians in Bock, Ablett and Brown, who were all seriously good players when hired. What they weren't was leaders.
GWS hired one-last-year ex-leaders, who weren't good players any more.
Luke Hodge is playing at Brisbane. Just saying.
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They need to be restricted free agents or free to good home. We can’t hand over our picks this year. There’ll be a massive turnover hopefully. Mitch Wallis, Dahlhaus, Newman, Miles come to mind as players we could use
I think you should aim to get some solid, experienced B graders in for depth purposes and to protect the younger players coming through. Luke Dahlhaus, Cam Guthrie, Shaun Atley and Josh Thomas all fit the bill and are all free agents. You guys could offer them 100k-200k more than their current clubs to entice them. I'd have them on par with someone like Lyons in terms of ability and potential out put. I'd then offer Jarrad McVeigh and Richard Douglas deals as experienced veterans who can set a great example off field. That is 6 experienced players and you can then head to the draft with 4-5 draft picks all hopefully in the top 30 range and get in some elite talent. With one of those picks perhaps targeting a mature aged player who can impact straight away?
Potential line up assuming Lynch and Hall depart and Rosa, Barlow, Lonergan and Rischitelli are all moved on-
B Harbrow May McVeigh
HB Bowes Thompson Weller
C Guthrie Dahlhaus Lyons
HF Atley Day Thomas
F Ah Chee Wright Martin
R Witts Miller Ainsworth
I Swallow Hanley Douglas Fiorini
Depth chart of Lemmens, Brodie, Sexton, Young, Kolodjashnij, Powell, Scrimshaw, Schoenfeld, Ballard, Heron, Joyce, multiple top 20 draftees.
That best 22 line up is actually quite experienced and should be capable of putting in competitive performances week after week but it also has a nice blend of youth and with a stable, experienced line up like the one above you'd be able to substitute in players such as Brodie, Scrimshaw, Powell, Ballard and this years draftees and have them play a role and let them flourish/develop without them being relied upon to play a key role as Suns youngsters have had to in the past.
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The problem is last year Draftees are under contract , so is 2016 top 10 pick , you also need to add in Young and Wigg trade in (2 years contract) .GC case is totally different from Essendon where they can just get top up player for one year contract.
I don't think you'll have any trouble freeing up list spots. You lose Lynch and Hall and de-list Lonergan, Barlow, Rosa and Riska and you already have 6 senior list spots open for the 6 experienced players I suggested bringing in. You'd then need to free up another 4-5 for the draftees. Quite easily achievable imo. Leslie and Kolodjnashnij could be another two potentially traded out opening up 8 list spots right there.
Peel67skin
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I am sorry , you Brisbane avatar just distract me , I mean how could you sell me your idea when your club is not really going up the ladder in the last 4 year . I just think Paul Roos need to Mentor Dew regarding this rebuild . He is the pro , we are just fantasy poster.
The club I support has an impact on my ability to analyse the AFL Trade/FA/Draft landscape why exactly? With that logic you'd take into account what a Tigers fan has to say simply because the club he/she supports is the reigning premiers... That makes zero sense. I've also kept a close eye on the Suns since their inception due to the fact that I live on the GC and I'm a huge AFL fan so I feel like I have a pretty thorough understanding of their list/current situation. Which part of my post am I failing to "sell" to you exactly?
Peel67skin
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I just think that Paul Roos is more qualify, and had a bigger influence to Dew making decision than Us .we actually can agree to each other here but all this is just fantasy talk , we are not at the top who make the decision .
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Sounds like Vossy's ill fated money ball approach that set your club back 10 years
Peel67skin
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I mean cheer up , why concern about other club. , those top management get paid high wages for it . Is their problem not us .
I'm very cheerful thank you
I wouldn't say I'm concerned about it, I'd more say I'm interested in it as a fan of the game and I'd like to see the Suns do well as it would be great for the game in Queensland if both the Lions and Suns simultaneously rose up the ladder together.
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I hope so , until then let's wait and see which club get No 1 pick and request for more priority pick .I'm very cheerful thank you
With a few clear differences... First of all the motives are different. The Suns motives would be to get some experience in to aid in the rebuild of the club and support the younger players whereas Vossy's motives were to top up for a premiership which came at the expense of youth. All of the recruits I suggested are either free agents or old and would come at a very cheap price at the trade table so aren't going to cost you high draft picks like Fevola did. They are also good off field leaders/role models with the exception I suppose of Josh Thomas who you may want to steer clear of for that reason. I fail to see how recruiting the players I suggested you guys recruit in addition to bringing in high draft picks could even remotely set your club back 10 years and how it is even remotely comparable to Vossy's money ball approach where he gave up high draft picks for mature aged players and played average players at the expense of youth.
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