List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[Peel67skin]

Apparently Alex Rance didn't kick a goal last week. Must not being doing his job, don't want him

People go to watch Alex Rance not for goal but something else

 

[GcSunsfan]

I wonder if there is something in the jacob weitering rumors ?
If we lose Lynch May moves to the forward line and Weitering takes his place

 

[SnusCG]

I wonder if there is something in the jacob weitering rumors ?
If we lose Lynch May moves to the forward line and Weitering takes his place

I wouldn't want him to be honest. Carlton would be requesting pick 2 or 3 for him which he just simply isn't worth anymore. Why waste pick 2 or 3 on a failed no.1 pick.

 

[SunsBhoy]

I wouldn't want him to be honest. Carlton would be requesting pick 2 or 3 for him which he just simply isn't worth anymore. Why waste pick 2 or 3 on a failed no.1 pick.

Would you want him if Carlton asked for pick 18?

 

[SnusCG]

Would you want him if Carlton asked for pick 18?

In that scenario yes, but Carlton aren't going to do that. If they were demanding picks 10, 16 and a future second for a 29y/o Gibbs and a future second, they're not going to give up a no.1 pick from 3 years ago under contract for pick 18

 

[SunsBhoy]

In that scenario yes, but Carlton aren't going to do that. If they were demanding picks 10, 16 and a future second for a 29y/o Gibbs and a future second, they're not going to give up a no.1 pick from 3 years ago under contract for pick 18

We gave up pick 2 for Weller , anything is possible in trade week.

 

[SnusCG]

We gave up pick 2 for Weller , anything is possible in trade week.

Oh I don't put it past us to trade pick 2 or 3, I just don't think he's worth that.

 

[footylover18]

I don't want to come across as being too pessimistic about him. He's good at what he does, taking the worst forward which enables him to play much more loose and hit short kicks well. But if we're offering a stack of cash for this guy thinking he's going to be running and slicing out of the defensive 50 we're going to be pretty disappointed I think. I just don't think he would be the same in our structure.

100% correct

 

[footylover18]

But yet both 7 and fox gave him votes for best on ground as did the radio station that did the game.
He is just what we need

Jake Lloyd?

lol

he is exactly what you do NOT need right now.

Jake Lloyd types are the cream. Guys like him add value and excel in teams that are already solid to good.

Not sure what it is with the Suns and their obsession with back flankers. That position should literally be the last spot you're aiming to fill. You just gave up pick 2 for Weller who you are predominantly playing as a flanker and now you want to offer a boat load of cash to bring another one in? Waste of time.

You need help at the coal face. Jake Lloyd is a fine player, but you have limited resources, allocate them wisely.

It seems as if KK still has hope. See what happens with him. Bowes looks like he's being developed as a back flanker for now too, hopefully he develops. Scrimshaw too.

 

[Mini GF]

Jake Lloyd?

lol

he is exactly what you do NOT need right now.

Jake Lloyd types are the cream. Guys like him add value and excel in teams that are already solid to good.

Not sure what it is with the Suns and their obsession with back flankers. That position should literally be the last spot you're aiming to fill. You just gave up pick 2 for Weller who you are predominantly playing as a flanker and now you want to offer a boat load of cash to bring another one in? Waste of time.

You need help at the coal face. Jake Lloyd is a fine player, but you have limited resources, allocate them wisely.

I’ll say it till I’m blue in the face
Draft mids
Draft mids
Draft mids

 

[footylover18]

Ask yourselves why the Swans are offering him a relatively paltry contract.......

the answer is because they view him as extremely replaceable. They want to allocate their cap to positions of highest importance, ie, midfield, key forwards etc.

 

[footylover18]

I’ll say it till I’m blue in the face
Draft mids
Draft mids
Draft mids

Yes, i agree. Although, if you lose Lynch then there is every chance that you end up with say pick 2 and 3. If we assume that Carlton take Lukosius then you'd be tempted to take both King brothers. It wouldnt be a reach and you'd think having both brothers there would mean they're more likely to stay. Otherwise, Walsh + Smith.

 

[GcSunsfan]

Jake Lloyd?

lol

he is exactly what you do NOT need right now.

Jake Lloyd types are the cream. Guys like him add value and excel in teams that are already solid to good.

Not sure what it is with the Suns and their obsession with back flankers. That position should literally be the last spot you're aiming to fill. You just gave up pick 2 for Weller who you are predominantly playing as a flanker and now you want to offer a boat load of cash to bring another one in? Waste of time.

You need help at the coal face. Jake Lloyd is a fine player, but you have limited resources, allocate them wisely.

It seems as if KK still has hope. See what happens with him. Bowes looks like he's being developed as a back flanker for now too, hopefully he develops. Scrimshaw too.

yeah no worries mate we will just go out and get a few easy targets this trade period starts with Cotchin Cripps Sloane and Oliver then get Lloyd in the rookie draft yeah ?

We try and be realistic around here mate we take what we can get and who want to happily come north

 

[Jirik13]

Jake Lloyd?

lol

he is exactly what you do NOT need right now.

Jake Lloyd types are the cream. Guys like him add value and excel in teams that are already solid to good.

Not sure what it is with the Suns and their obsession with back flankers. That position should literally be the last spot you're aiming to fill. You just gave up pick 2 for Weller who you are predominantly playing as a flanker and now you want to offer a boat load of cash to bring another one in? Waste of time.

You need help at the coal face. Jake Lloyd is a fine player, but you have limited resources, allocate them wisely.

It seems as if KK still has hope. See what happens with him. Bowes looks like he's being developed as a back flanker for now too, hopefully he develops. Scrimshaw too.

Exactly my point too. We also got Harbrow, Hanley for a couple of years at least. Even Wigg will probably get a chance as HB next year. I hope we stay away from Lloyd.

 

[GcSunsfan]

Ask yourselves why the Swans are offering him a relatively paltry contract.......

the answer is because they view him as extremely replaceable. They want to allocate their cap to positions of highest importance, ie, midfield, key forwards etc.

Because they F*** up and have no salary cap space it's not rocket science.
You don't become the fastest swan to 100 games by being an average replaceable player

 

[footylover18]

yeah no worries mate we will just go out and get a few easy targets this trade period starts with Cotchin Cripps Sloane and Oliver then get Lloyd in the rookie draft yeah ?

We try and be realistic around here mate we take what we can get and who want to happily come north

I understand that and appreciate your predicament.

Your best chance for success is drafting well and developing well. Overpaying for back flankers is not going to achieve anything other than giving yourself a pat on the back because you enticed someone to come.

Brisbane drew a line in the sand when they lost Docherty + Yeo + Polec all in a short period of time. Since then they've been very selective in who they've targetted. I dont think avoiding Vic Metro boys is the only thing but the point is, they've been pretty good at keeping talent since then.

As you said, you arent going to attract the top end FA etc. So you have no choice but to build through the draft. Keep your cap space in order to pay these kids to stay, do not, i repeat, do not spend it on Weller and Lloyd types.

 

[footylover18]

Because they F*** up and have no salary cap space it's not rocket science.
You don't become the fastest swan to 100 games by being an average replaceable player

Swans will have cap space. They rumoured to be after Darcy Moore. Teams always find ways to bring in guys.

if Swans lose Lloyd, they'll replace him in that role with someone else and barely skip a beat. Mark my words.

 

[footylover18]

Exactly my point too. We also got Harbrow, Hanley for a couple of years at least. Even Wigg will probanbly get a chance as HB next year. I hope we stay away from Lloyd.

exactly. These guys are the most gettable because teams know you can replace guys in those positions, and these are the guys you keep recruiting.

 

[footylover18]

Swallow + Fiorini + Lyons + Brodie + Bowes + Walsh + Smith

if Brodie and Bowes pan out, that would be a nice midfield actually. Perhaps lacking some pace but the ability would be there.

 

[Jirik13]

I actually don't see too much issues with our defence. Any defence will struggle if midfield battle is lost.

 

[Jirik13]

Swallow + Fiorini + Lyons + Brodie + Bowes + Walsh + Smith

if Brodie and Bowes pan out, that would be a nice midfield actually. Perhaps lacking some pace but the ability would be there.

Plenty more to run through, need 1-2 years to develop and less injuries, Miller, Ballard, Martin, Weller, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth.

 

[footylover18]

Plenty more to run through, need 1-2 years to develop and less injuries, Miller, Ballard, Martin, Weller, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth.

Yeh i forgot to put Ainsworth in there, he looks a jet.

 

[SunnerSS]

Ill weigh in here.
My preference is to use 1st round picks on elite young kids.
2nd round picks to trade for any expeirenced player who is willing to play for us has a seasoned body and some form of leadership and demand.
3rd round or later picks on academy talents.

I wouldnt Care if we had a team full of half backs as long as they tried their guts out every game never gave up and are not afraid of hard work or injury. Then dribble in a few talented kids to learn the value of hard work and leadership from these blokes.

So lloyd, newman, weitering, wallis, dahlhaus whoever just aslong as they are prepared to bleed for this football club because im sick of feeling like im the only one who would.

 

[footylover18]

Lol Newman

There’s another guy who’d be an utter waste of space


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[Stroppy]

Suspect we will be letting go some of our remaining handful of senior players.

So we do need some mature bodies to come in ready to play and provide senior depth.

But one area I don't think we can afford to clog up is the midfield.

We have Swallow, Lyons, Miller and Fiorini as a base.
Would much prefer to push younger mids through there to build them up rather than play some stop gap players.
We won't get any good until we get a much better midfield, which means allowing young mids to develop.

So tbh, flankers like Young and Holman made sense. If we pick up a couple more flankers to replace Rosa, Rishca, Hall, and Barlow, that also makes sense. Leave room to play younger mids in the midfield. Maybe a mature age rookie mid for depth, maybe even keep Barlow.