List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[17er]

I think we need more players named Brayden!

 

[17er]

Bailey Scott, Caleb Graham, Dirk Koenen, Lachlan McDonald, Fitzroy Greenwool, Brodie Foster, Timakoi Bowie, Ryan Gilmore and Emmanuel Baru have to be the priorities at this Draft. If we swing a couple of first rounders before other clubs begin to bid then all the better, but what nobody can factor in yet is how live pick trading will affect the Suns' strategy. In such a deep Draft, wouldn't it be wisest to stockpile picks at the end of the first and beginning of the 2nd after trading out of higher positions? Let the big players bet the house on top 5 picks while we take the West Coast route of last season and trade our 1st for 2nds. Our target players need to be onboard with the Suns, so our scouts need to put together a board with legit committed players, then with the rest of our picks we go RED, BLUE and GOLD Academy all the way.

 

[Peel67skin]

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Bailey Scott, Caleb Graham, Dirk Koenen, Lachlan McDonald, Fitzroy Greenwool, Brodie Foster, Timakoi Bowie, Ryan Gilmore and Emmanuel Baru have to be the priorities at this Draft. If we swing a couple of first rounders before other clubs begin to bid then all the better, but what nobody can factor in yet is how live pick trading will affect the Suns' strategy. In such a deep Draft, wouldn't it be wisest to stockpile picks at the end of the first and beginning of the 2nd after trading out of higher positions? Let the big players bet the house on top 5 picks while we take the West Coast route of last season and trade our 1st for 2nds. Our target players need to be onboard with the Suns, so our scouts need to put together a board with legit committed players, then with the rest of our picks we go RED, BLUE and GOLD Academy all the way.

As much I like to draft all Sun academy , not all of them are draftable , some better off going to Southport ,Redland or vFL to improve their skill and if they are good enough GCS can look at them later .

 

[Peel67skin]

 

[Basssman]

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As much I like to draft all Sun academy , not all of them are draftable , some better off going to Southport ,Redland or vFL to improve their skill and if they are good enough GCS can look at them later .

I couldn’t agree more, there is no point in the Suns drafting academy guys just for the hell of it, if they aren’t close to a non academy kid available talent/skill/potential wise then you pick the best available talent and trust our system moving forward with Dew will develop and retain the players. Even though this draft may be deeper than the last few it still has a very very good top dozen or so players which are a step above the rest of the draft as is the case most years.

Our best possible outcome imo would be get as many of our picks from the first round and not hope a few second rounders pay off like west coast did last year as it’s far to risky we need the best available talent to turn our ship around.


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[17er]

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As much I like to draft all Sun academy , not all of them are draftable , some better off going to Southport ,Redland or vFL to improve their skill and if they are good enough GCS can look at them later .

I'm not suggesting we bring all of them in this year because some can remain in the system another year and others will go the way you suggest. You'd expect the Rookie List will be cleared out and there could be some re-rookied players, so 3 Category B rookies from this list and up to 4 Draftees plus the 1st Rounders would be a great haul. Unfortunately, without the likes of Lonergan, Schoenfeld, Nicholls and Barlow, there won't be any experienced players outside the top 22 if you just delist the lot of them, besides which Schoenfeld and Nicholls have contracts to pay out which would be expensive.
We will likely have another player drain with certain players asking to be traded because they don't fit Dew's scheme, so look for some spots to be vacated there and someone like Lonergan to be thrown a Rookie list lifeline.

 

[sunsofanarchy]

14 marks and 4.2 haha, taking the piss! South Australia are gonna take some beating.

 

[briztoon]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-order-based-on-current-ladder.1179329/page-5

Looking at the current table , i agree with Stroppy strategy , apart from maybe exchanging draft pick from Adelaide , just go into the draft and pick as many players GCS can , trade in won't work in GCS situation . Lyons , young , Holman are good but in modern games those turnover by foot are costly .

Look I don't see the different between a top 15 to eagle pick 18 , if Lynch go Gcs got pick 4,pick 5 and pick 18 before second Rd . We can just seat there and wait for our turn to pick players and let's other club wait for their turn , with the change of Rookie rule , I think if academy players fall into that category the better . Those second Rd will be handy for Thomas Berry or even strategy bidding on Chalie Cameron brother,BAILEY Scott without compromise pick 4,5 and pick 18 .

Hope you guys don't mind the intrusion.

Reading your draft discussion is somewhat similar to reading the Lions draft discussion from the last couple of years.

Peel67skin it's worth having a look at the original post in the Nominal AFL Draft Order thread, particularly the Squiggle Predictor Ladder below Lore's Nominal Draft Picks table. Depending on where you guesstimate a bid for Scott (if he nominates GC) will come in, and depending on how many picks (i.e. vacant list spots) you take to the draft, it might very well be worth your club packaging a couple of picks together to gain another top 15 pick if possible.


Not sure why you would consider a bid on Charlie Cameron's brother in the second round. Unless you actually want him at your club. Clubs aren't going to match early bids on players if there are better kids available at their next pick. West Coast likely wouldn't match with their two second round picks, but do have two fourth round picks to match a bid with.


As for Thomas Berry. Well if fans had a say in their clubs draft picks... Your second round picks are after the Lions second round pick, and Lions fans are very keen on Berry younger with our second round pick. But a general belief amongst a few of us Lions U18 draft watchers is that Berry younger could push up in to top 15 calculations, especially if he can remain injury free and not run himself in to another goal post.


Also, it will be interesting to see where clubs bid on other clubs academy and F/S kids. Not only will clubs have to look at what kids they have first access to in this years draft, they'll have to look at what kids they have in next years draft, and guess where their draft range might be.

If North remain in the top 8, clubs will be keen to bid on Tarryn Thomas before Norths first pick, denying North a chance to double dip in the first round, so to speak. Similarly clubs might look at bidding on Bailey Scott before your second first round pick, as it will increase their draft pool by one extra player. Both Port and Adelaide (especially Adelaide as they currently sit with picks 16 and 19) are in a position to do this, as each has a pick before your second pick, and picks right after your second pick and before your third pick. Adelaide, bidding at pick 16 on Bailey Scott, sees you match with pick 18, thus allowing Adelaide one extra kid at their pick 18. If 18 and 25 get you 16 and 37 and maybe something like a 4th round pick next year, you might consider it. You get two first round picks, and still have enough points to match bids on Bailey Scott and Caleb Graham.

 

[GcSunsfan]

 

[Peel67skin]

Hope you guys don't mind the intrusion.

Reading your draft discussion is somewhat similar to reading the Lions draft discussion from the last couple of years.

Peel67skin it's worth having a look at the original post in the Nominal AFL Draft Order thread, particularly the Squiggle Predictor Ladder below Lore's Nominal Draft Picks table. Depending on where you guesstimate a bid for Scott (if he nominates GC) will come in, and depending on how many picks (i.e. vacant list spots) you take to the draft, it might very well be worth your club packaging a couple of picks together to gain another top 15 pick if possible.


Not sure why you would consider a bid on Charlie Cameron's brother in the second round. Unless you actually want him at your club. Clubs aren't going to match early bids on players if there are better kids available at their next pick. West Coast likely wouldn't match with their two second round picks, but do have two fourth round picks to match a bid with.


As for Thomas Berry. Well if fans had a say in their clubs draft picks... Your second round picks are after the Lions second round pick, and Lions fans are very keen on Berry younger with our second round pick. But a general belief amongst a few of us Lions U18 draft watchers is that Berry younger could push up in to top 15 calculations, especially if he can remain injury free and not run himself in to another goal post.


Also, it will be interesting to see where clubs bid on other clubs academy and F/S kids. Not only will clubs have to look at what kids they have first access to in this years draft, they'll have to look at what kids they have in next years draft, and guess where their draft range might be.

If North remain in the top 8, clubs will be keen to bid on Tarryn Thomas before Norths first pick, denying North a chance to double dip in the first round, so to speak. Similarly clubs might look at bidding on Bailey Scott before your second first round pick, as it will increase their draft pool by one extra player. Both Port and Adelaide (especially Adelaide as they currently sit with picks 16 and 19) are in a position to do this, as each has a pick before your second pick, and picks right after your second pick and before your third pick. Adelaide, bidding at pick 16 on Bailey Scott, sees you match with pick 18, thus allowing Adelaide one extra kid at their pick 18. If 18 and 25 get you 16 and 37 and maybe something like a 4th round pick next year, you might consider it. You get two first round picks, and still have enough points to match bids on Bailey Scott and Caleb Graham.

I thought if Adelaide bid on bailey Scott with 20% discount GCS essendon pick will be enough . We still get to pick a top 5 pick , Tom Berry (eagles pick ) , Baiely Scott and strategy use Geelong second Rd pick on Cameron , if eagles match their pick 37 gone ,then our two third round will move up.

 

[supernova_]

We tried this with Malceski. It's the wrong style of player required, not against it but certainly for minimal wage I would think

 

[Peel67skin]

We tried this with Malceski. It's the wrong style of player required, not against it but certainly for minimal wage I would think

I rather keep Barlow as playing coach, but if Dew think he can help why not , sooner or later Dew honeymoon year going to end .

 

[supernova_]

I rather keep Barlow as playing coach, but if Dew think he can help why not , sooner or later Dew honeymoon year going to end .

it's a logical estimate, to think that Dew would coax a Sydney player or staff member considering the relationships he built there the last 5 or 6 years. Dew has at least another 10 games to assess the list and about 20 games to display the plan, either indirectly from footy watchers, or directly with his words and assessment.

 

[SunnerSS]

No McVeigh doesn't sit right. We need midfield battlers.
Im all for grabbing wallis, newman, dahlhaus, libba, conca or grigg as they will toil away playing their role. If we have to go down the senior citizen path id look at mundy, can still play mid for bursts and deal damage up forward.

 

[Peel67skin]

No McVeigh doesn't sit right. We need midfield battlers.
Im all for grabbing wallis, newman, dahlhaus, libba, conca or grigg as they will toil away playing their role. If we have to go down the senior citizen path id look at mundy, can still play mid for bursts and deal damage up forward.

Please no Conca he disposal is so bad worse than Barlow , imagine Conca play against Geelong with our cureent list OMG , Turn over after turn over .

 

[GcSunsfan]

Please no Conca he disposal is so bad worse than Barlow , imagine Conca play against Geelong with our cureent list OMG , Turn over after turn over .

It would be like having two jarrod harbrow's in the team #TurnOverCity

 

[Peel67skin]

It would be like having two jarrod harbrow's in the team

Wow when does Conca compare to Harbrow , Conca in a premiership team midfield consisted of dusty and crotchin already turn over the ball numerous times . Coming to GC will be worse playing alongside young and Holman .

 

[briztoon]

I thought if Adelaide bid on bailey Scott with 20% discount GCS essendon pick will be enough . We still get to pick a top 5 pick , Tom Berry (eagles pick ) , Baiely Scott and strategy use Geelong second Rd pick on Cameron , if eagles match their pick 37 gone ,then our two third round will move up.

You have to use your next pick, which would be the Eagles pick. If there are points left over after matching, those points became a pick later on.

So Adelaide bid a pick 16 and Gold Coast have to match with pick 18.
Pick 16, after discount is 854 points. Pick 18 is worth 985 points. So 131 points left over, which would then become pick 47, and push each pick from the original pick 47 back one spot.

 

[GcSunsfan]

Wow when does Conca compare to Harbrow , Conca in a premiership team midfield consisted of dusty and crotchin already turn over the ball numerous times . Coming to GC will be worse playing alongside young and Holman .

both butcher the ball

 

[Peel67skin]

You have to use your next pick, which would be the Eagles pick. If there are points left over after matching, those points became a pick later on.

So Adelaide bid a pick 16 and Gold Coast have to match with pick 18.
Pick 16, after discount is 854 points. Pick 18 is worth 985 points. So 131 points left over, which would then become pick 47, and push each pick from the original pick 47 back one spot.

Then I prefer having pick 47 reserve for GCS academy . Three club will not had second Rd Fremantle , Geelong , Essendon . so there will be goody in Second Rd from 20-30 range where club Rate players differently . I mean nobody rate Powell at 19 last year , so I presume recruiter will see thing differently.
I believe each club had their own top 30 list very different from each other rather than the same .

 

[Peel67skin]

You might want to have a look at 2 players for Richmond that cant get games due to game plan and depth in their position, Richmond played Collingwood in the vfl last week so #1 played #2 top of the table clash.

Anthony Miles & Sam Lloyd
Miles 44 disposals (23 kicks 21 handballs) 11 marks 4 tackles 7 I50s 3 R50s 3.1
Lloyd 31 disposals (17 kicks 14 handballs) 7 marks 5 tackles 4 I50s 1 R50 2.1

Miles BOG & Lloyd 2nd best

These 2 players would really help in this area and would cost a bag of chips in a trade and not a great deal $$$

Can we get them at pre season draft , I like how we hold so many Second Rd and Third Rd pick and other club need to wait for their turn to draft players .

 

[17er]

Then I prefer having pick 47 reserve for GCS academy . Three club will not had second Rd Fremantle , Geelong , Essendon . so there will be goody in Second Rd from 20-30 where club Rate players differently . I mean nobody rate Powell at 19 last year , so I presume recruiter will see thing differently.
I believe each club had their own top 30 list very different from each other rather than the same .

Which is where you can use live trading of picks to move back. For example, last year the 49ers traded back from 2nd to 3rd (like we did a couple of years ago) and they not only selected the same player they wanted (Aussie Solly Thomas - dude lived here for 7 years so he's ours), but got a bunch of minor picks, allowing them to use a 2nd pick to trade mid-season for Jimmy Garoppolo who is a stud Quarterback that couldn't get a game behind Tom Brady. We can move back on early picks to gain more picks and then bundle those to consolidate on the right amount of picks to select our targets. In the past, the Suns have been huge players in trading players and picks, so the avenues are definitely there. We could even screw clubs who have screwed us in the past.

 

[Peel67skin]

We could even screw clubs who have screwed us in the past.

Yes I like it.

 

[Peel67skin]

LOL ok i wont make the comment about all the 2nd rounders last year

Hahaha Clayton fly to Eagles , so no more doggy deal . Gunny you can try with Cameron this year and offer him a job at Richmond .

 

[Peel67skin]

No thanks we know cameron all too well , Not even lynch is worth having Cameron back.

In all honest though Miles & Lloyd could be had for next to nothing and would really improve the Gold Coast team and Culture , Your club couldnt find 2 better blokes and would be so good for the kids

You currently had pick 17, 35 and 71 .

I presume pick 17 is for the guy retire playing American football
Pick 35 - ? Who you gonna delist
Pick 71 - ? Who you gonna delist.

I think GCS can afford to be patient and Miles and Llyod cannot , because once they are delisted , they either go and play state football or accept whatever come their way .
Llyod 29 next year
Miles 28